General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Spanky99]

This is a neat summary by Chris Black on DV, just follow the thread...

 

[saskjayfan]

Twitter is such a cesspool. 24 upvotes on this

 

 

Ok one of our top young prospects isn't exactly accurate, but I fail to see why Wes Parsons a 31 year old with average stuff was kept over Zuleta. Yes Zuleta was wild, but it's not like we kept the stable solid vet who can control the zone. Parsons walked 8 and hit 3 in 10.2 innings this spring..lol.

[Sorrow]

This is a neat summary by Chris Black on DV, just follow the thread...

 

 

What’s the synopsis for those of us without twitter who can’t see the thread.

[Laika]

What’s the synopsis for those of us without twitter who can’t see the thread.

 

Varsho sucked on hard pitches inside in 2023

He didn't suck on them before 2023

He made a lot of hard but foul contact on them in 2023

 

There is no real conclusion but some aimless speculation that it was some combo or bad luck, bad bat path, or being too jittery/anxious with new team

[Rusty_Savage]

There are pros and cons to Alberta.... a long ass winter is definitely the downside.

And intense wild fires in the summer/fall

 

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[Laika]

Ok one of our top young prospects isn't exactly accurate, but I fail to see why Wes Parsons a 31 year old with average stuff was kept over Zuleta. Yes Zuleta was wild, but it's not like we kept the stable solid vet who can control the zone. Parsons walked 8 and hit 3 in 10.2 innings this spring..lol.

 

You fail to see it?

 

Skill issue. Study the sport more.

[saskjayfan]

You fail to see it?

 

Skill issue. Study the sport more.

 

Oh wise one, please explain to me what Parsons skills are. I needs some education.

[saskjayfan]

You fail to see it?

 

Skill issue. Study the sport more.

 

Has there been a move the last 8 years where you haven't immediately proclaimed it as being great and the obviously correct decision? Have you actually disagreed with any move this front office has made? I'm not going to lose any sleep over this decision. It's highly likely Parsons or Zulueta have much service time. Parsons is 31 with bad command, average velocity and avg spin rates. Zulueta has above average fastball velocity and above average spin rates on his off speed offerings and he's 26. He also has bad command. I'd have rather seen Pop or Danner on the Roster until Swanson or Romano come back.

 

The Wes Parsons experience is not going to be a fun one if one of those 2 don't get back soon.

[jaysblue]

Would be nice if Nate Pearson can become a reliable high leverage arm for the Jays this season. See what he could do with Swanson and Romano on the IL.

[saskjayfan]

Would be nice if Nate Pearson can become a reliable high leverage arm for the Jays this season. See what he could do with Swanson and Romano on the IL.

 

This is the year! It's so hard to say man. I hope Nate figures it out. He battled a lot of injuries and had such high expectations. So far so good through game 1. Time will tell.

[glory]

The issue with keeping Zulu on the 40 man would have been that he is unlikely to contribute to the 2024 team. It’s possible he develops and turns things around this season but if the Jays truly felt that he would then they probably would have protected him over a fringey guy like Pop. Would have been nice to trade Zulu for a non 40 man lottery ticket but I can’t imagine he had enough value around the league for that.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Zulu was way further down the reliever depth chart than Parsons is on the starter depth chart. The Jays are down two very important relievers to start the season and Zulu still wasn't going to get a sniff of MLB action.

 

It's too bad but this is what will.happen when you have this many good relievers knocking on the door and tons of depth. Remember, the Jays snagged Cabrera off waivers just last year.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays had Zulu long enough to make a fairly accurate assessment of his MLB chances.

[The Cats Ass]

Brendon Little 100% should have been the guy to go. Why they keep him over Zulu I don't know.

[BTS]

Brendon Little 100% should have been the guy to go. Why they keep him over Zulu I don't know.

 

Probably just came down to who they felt was more likely to competently eat some MLB innings this year. That's probably Little unless Zulueta drastically improves his command in the next few months.

[Spanky99]

You fail to see it?

 

Skill issue. Study the sport more.

 

lol... savage.

[burlingtonbandit]

Would be nice if Nate Pearson can become a reliable high leverage arm for the Jays this season. See what he could do with Swanson and Romano on the IL.

 

Even though the result was decent yesterday he looked more of the same to me. Not much command of the fastball or secondary pitches. If he can at least get some consistency in his stuff outing to outing you can live with the below average command, but last year one day he would be 98-99 and then the next time 95-96 and get shelled.

[Spanky99]

Even though the result was decent yesterday he looked more of the same to me. Not much command of the fastball or secondary pitches. If he can at least get some e consistency in his stuff outing to outing you can live with the below average command, but last year one day he would be 98-99 and then the next time 95-96 and get shelled.

 

I've seen you lose it over 3 innings of our AB's just yesterday, how can you scout 20 pitches from NP yesterday and claim anything with conviction?

[BatFlip]

Even though the result was decent yesterday he looked more of the same to me. Not much command of the fastball or secondary pitches. If he can at least get some consistency in his stuff outing to outing you can live with the below average command, but last year one day he would be 98-99 and then the next time 95-96 and get shelled.

 

 

Yeah, I thought the same. His command isn't there and his fastball is very hittable. Bad combo.

 

Maybe he might suddenly put it all together, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Omar]

Varsho sucked on hard pitches inside in 2023

He didn't suck on them before 2023

He made a lot of hard but foul contact on them in 2023

 

There is no real conclusion but some aimless speculation that it was some combo or bad luck, bad bat path, or being too jittery/anxious with new team

 

Based on what I've seen during spring training and the first game he has clearly opened up his stance in the box. During today's game watch how he has opened up to get to the inside pitch ie. perhaps see it better.

[Spanky99]

Based on what I've seen during spring training and the first game he has clearly opened up his stance in the box. During today's game watch how he has opened up to get to the inside pitch.

 

Yeah, it's considerably noticeable.

[G-Snarls]

Mark Derosa on MLB Network discussing Vladdy's swing and his 450ft bomb:

 

https://www.mlb.com/video/mark-derosa-on-the-mechanics-of-vladimir-guerrero-jr

[burlingtonbandit]

I've seen you lose it over 3 innings of our AB's just yesterday, how can you scout 20 pitches from NP yesterday and claim anything with conviction?

 

I'm saying yesterday he looked like he has his entire career up to this point, which is below average command. I'm not telling any tales out of school here...

[Angrioter]

Mark Derosa on MLB Network discussing Vladdy's swing and his 450ft bomb:

 

https://www.mlb.com/video/mark-derosa-on-the-mechanics-of-vladimir-guerrero-jr

 

10 HRs and SLG under .400 at home.

 

Deprimente amigo, deprimente..

[Laika]

Brendon Little 100% should have been the guy to go. Why they keep him over Zulu I don't know.

 

Zulu looks completely useless as 2024 MLB depth

 

Little is more interesting short term IMO. He added a cutter and it grades very well. He might be decent.

[Laika]

Has there been a move the last 8 years where you haven't immediately proclaimed it as being great and the obviously correct decision? Have you actually disagreed with any move this front office has made? I'm not going to lose any sleep over this decision. It's highly likely Parsons or Zulueta have much service time. Parsons is 31 with bad command, average velocity and avg spin rates. Zulueta has above average fastball velocity and above average spin rates on his off speed offerings and he's 26. He also has bad command. I'd have rather seen Pop or Danner on the Roster until Swanson or Romano come back.

 

The Wes Parsons experience is not going to be a fun one if one of those 2 don't get back soon.

 

I dislike many things the FO does, I just don't whine about it endlessly

 

Zulueta's pitches don't even grade out better than Zach Pop's. He's essentially useless as 2024 depth since he can't throw strikes.

 

Parsons on the other hand might be able to fake it for some MLB innings. He held his own in AAA in 2023 with a SP workload. His pitches grade out better than people think, he has some good shape on his stuff.

[G-Snarls]

10 HRs and SLG under .400 at home.

 

Deprimente amigo, deprimente..

 

He's gonna be better this year I feel it

[hanton]

Mark Derosa on MLB Network discussing Vladdy's swing and his 450ft bomb:

 

https://www.mlb.com/video/mark-derosa-on-the-mechanics-of-vladimir-guerrero-jr

 

surprised no mention of pulling the ball more, it's exactly what he tried to do the pitch before the home run - last season he goes the other way with that and either hit's it into the ground or gets a week single out of it.

[Omar]

surprised no mention of pulling the ball more, it's exactly what he tried to do the pitch before the home run - last season he goes the other way with that and either hit's it into the ground or gets a week single out of it.

 

I think what Derosa is trying to say that by tightening up his hands making him shorter to ball he will naturally go to centre and left more. Hopefully it happens.

[G-Snarls]

I think what Derosa is trying to say that by tightening up his hands making him shorter to ball he will naturally go to centre and left more. Hopefully it happens.

 

With a Manny Ramirez comp...