General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[deanmike]

BNS in his latest article basically implied that some f***ing how, Espishit's spot on the team is safe. He said Clement is in competition with "the likes of the likes of Daniel Vogelbach, Spencer Horwitz, Eduardo Escobar and Davis Schneider."

 

Basically what this implies is that the 11 position players who have locked spots on the 26 man are Springer, Bo, Vlad, Turner, Jansen, Kirk, Varsho, KK, IKF, Biggio and Espinal.

 

And the final 2 position player spots are a competition where 2/3 of Clement/Vogelbach/Horwitz/Escobar/Schneider win. My guess based on the new company line that is being trotted out, is Vogelbach makes the team over Horwitz, and Clement wins over Escobar+Schneider because he's out of options.

 

But don't worry Schneider is probably first call up from AAA lol smh. I seriously don't understand how Espinal gets this level of underserved pseudo-vet treatment by the org. The guy is optionable and deserves to be in Buffalo.

[BatFlip]

I like that frame of thinking, too much risk on the team.

 

Yup, the Jays are doing the right thing avoiding those deals where they can. Maybe it makes sense in some very select scenarios.

[Spanky99]

BNS in his latest article basically implied that some f***ing how, Espishit's spot on the team is safe. He said Clement is in competition with "the likes of the likes of Daniel Vogelbach, Spencer Horwitz, Eduardo Escobar and Davis Schneider."

 

Basically what this implies is that the 11 position players who have locked spots on the 26 man are Springer, Bo, Vlad, Turner, Jansen, Kirk, Varsho, KK, IKF, Biggio and Espinal.

 

And the final 2 position player spots are a competition where 2/3 of Clement/Vogelbach/Horwitz/Escobar/Schneider win. My guess based on the new company line that is being trotted out, is Vogelbach makes the team over Horwitz, and Clement wins over Escobar+Schneider because he's out of options.

 

But don't worry Schneider is probably first call up from AAA lol smh. I seriously don't understand how Espinal gets this level of underserved pseudo-vet treatment by the org. The guy is optionable and deserves to be in Buffalo.

 

Holy hyperbole, for context folks...

 

INFIELDER ON THE BUBBLE

 

Speaking of out-of-options players, don’t rule Ernie Clement out for the opening day roster. Knowing he can’t be optioned to the minors anymore, rival teams have been eyeing him and some pro scouts are impressed what they see. But then, so are the Blue Jays.

 

“They like him,” a scout from another team said. “He doesn’t hit for power, but he runs and he’ll put the ball in play. I think they’ll keep him just in case something happens to Bo (Bichette) but I’ll put him down as someone to go after if they try to pass him through (waivers).”

 

Clement is competing for a bench spot on the Blue Jays alongside the likes of Daniel Vogelbach, Spencer Horwitz, Eduardo Escobar and Davis Schneider.

[Laika]

I specifically remember someone posting a chart about his arm slot being lower in 2022, maybe that didn’t translate to the actual stuff though

 

Yeah his release point did shift, but I guess it didn't change his FF movement at all.

 

It could still influence effectiveness if the pitch though... different release point could be harder to pick up for example

[Spanky99]

It was his release point which messed with his command, the ball down and away would run into the sweet spot, and Boom, lol.

[glory]

BNS in his latest article basically implied that some f***ing how, Espishit's spot on the team is safe. He said Clement is in competition with "the likes of the likes of Daniel Vogelbach, Spencer Horwitz, Eduardo Escobar and Davis Schneider."

 

Basically what this implies is that the 11 position players who have locked spots on the 26 man are Springer, Bo, Vlad, Turner, Jansen, Kirk, Varsho, KK, IKF, Biggio and Espinal.

 

And the final 2 position player spots are a competition where 2/3 of Clement/Vogelbach/Horwitz/Escobar/Schneider win. My guess based on the new company line that is being trotted out, is Vogelbach makes the team over Horwitz, and Clement wins over Escobar+Schneider because he's out of options.

 

But don't worry Schneider is probably first call up from AAA lol smh. I seriously don't understand how Espinal gets this level of underserved pseudo-vet treatment by the org. The guy is optionable and deserves to be in Buffalo.

 

The Jays don't have a 4th OF, and Schneider can play LF, which none of Clement/Espinal/Vogelbach/Escobar will likely be asked to do, so I don't think DS will be demoted. Even if he's not the starting 2B, he'll likely still be the primary LF against LHP + whatever starts he gets against RHP. It's going to come down to Espinal vs Clement most likely. Keeping both makes no sense. The issue is that players better than Espinal are signing for $1m in free agency, so he might be a negative asset at his salary at this point. I doubt there's a trade there unless they take back an equal (or close) salary.

[deanmike]

The Jays don't have a 4th OF, and Schneider can play LF, which none of Clement/Espinal/Vogelbach/Escobar will likely be asked to do, so I don't think DS will be demoted. Even if he's not the starting 2B, he'll likely still be the primary LF against LHP + whatever starts he gets against RHP. It's going to come down to Espinal vs Clement most likely. Keeping both makes no sense. The issue is that players better than Espinal are signing for $1m in free agency, so he might be a negative asset at his salary at this point. I doubt there's a trade there unless they take back an equal (or close) salary.

I agree with the bolded. Keep in mind I was one of the first posters on this board (if not the first) to bring up the Davis Schneider covering some LF idea back in the beginning of January when everyone else here still thought the Jays needed to add a Duvall/Grichuk type lefty mashing 4th OF.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/11179-General-Blue-Jays-Discussion-Thread-(2024)?p=1768751&viewfull=1#post1768751

 

That being said, the company line is the company line. No one is going to like this, but we could actually see IKF in the outfield in some early season games against LH starters, and both Clement+Espitrash make the team at the (likely temporary) expense of Davis Schneider.

 

April lineup vs LHP

C Jansen/Kirk

1B Vlad

2B Clement

3B Espinal/Turner (if it falls on one of his 1-2 days a week)

SS Bichette

LF IKF

CF Varsho

RF Springer

DH Turner/Non-catching C that day

[BTS]

I agree with the bolded. Keep in mind I was one of the first posters on this board (if not the first) to bring up the Davis Schneider covering some LF idea back in the beginning of January when everyone else here still thought the Jays needed to add a Duvall/Grichuk type lefty mashing 4th OF.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/11179-General-Blue-Jays-Discussion-Thread-(2024)?p=1768751&viewfull=1#post1768751

 

This reads like a tongue-in-cheek Terminator post, only it’s 100% serious

[max silver]

This reads like a tongue-in-cheek Terminator post, only it’s 100% serious

 

Yeah this dude's post contain all of the self promotion of vintage Trollminator but without any attempts at levity.

[Spanky99]

The Jays don't have a 4th OF, and Schneider can play LF, which none of Clement/Espinal/Vogelbach/Escobar will likely be asked to do, so I don't think DS will be demoted. Even if he's not the starting 2B, he'll likely still be the primary LF against LHP + whatever starts he gets against RHP. It's going to come down to Espinal vs Clement most likely. Keeping both makes no sense. The issue is that players better than Espinal are signing for $1m in free agency, so he might be a negative asset at his salary at this point. I doubt there's a trade there unless they take back an equal (or close) salary.

 

If they can't move Espinal, they'll likely option him.

[Terminator]

I agree with the bolded. Keep in mind I was one of the first posters on this board (if not the first) to bring up the Davis Schneider covering some LF idea back in the beginning of January when everyone else here still thought the Jays needed to add a Duvall/Grichuk type lefty mashing 4th OF.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/11179-General-Blue-Jays-Discussion-Thread-(2024)?p=1768751&viewfull=1#post1768751

 

Dean, did you really just regurgitate a BNS article and then take credit like you came up with the idea yourself? lol

[Dick_Pole]

Just checking in to mention that I was one of the first people to call out Dean's annoying behaviour weeks ago. So I want to get full credit for that.

[Dick_Pole]

Imagine Dean's style and length of writing mixed in with Frenchsoup's personality and posting habits.

[deanmike]

Dean, did you really just regurgitate a BNS article and then take credit like you came up with the idea yourself? lol

 

No I meant "bring up" as in bring the idea to the attention of this board, not as in I created the idea lol. Had to point it out at the time because most here thought a Duvall/Grichuk add was needed.

 

If I had meant what you thought I meant, I would have said "come up with the idea", not "bring up the idea."

[wilko]

Imagine Dean's style and length of writing mixed in with Frenchsoup's personality and posting habits.

 

I think it's the same person, different personality..

[Terminator]

No I meant "bring up" as in bring the idea to the attention of this board, not as in I created the idea lol. Had to point it out at the time because most here thought a Duvall/Grichuk add was needed.

 

If I had meant what you thought I meant, I would have said "come up with the idea", not "bring up the idea."

 

Ah my bad, Dean. Didn't know you were "pouring yourself a tall one" for regurgitating BNS articles. I thought you'd only reserve celebrations and pats on the back like that for actually coming up with the idea all on your one.

[Laika]

Didn't David Snider literally play a few games in LF last year?

[Laika]

Davis Schneider

Travis Snider

David Snider

Travid Schneider

Dravis Schreiber

[deanmike]

Ah my bad, Dean. Didn't know you were "pouring yourself a tall one" for regurgitating BNS articles. I thought you'd only reserve celebrations and pats on the back like that for actually coming up with the idea all on your one.

 

I was simply aiming to steer discussion away from unlikely scenarios of 2% likelihood or less (like Duvall/Grichuk adds).

 

I brought up the post from months ago to clarify to the poster I was responding to that while I was now suggesting Schneider might start in AAA, it's not because he isn't a possibility in LF.

[Spanky99]

Ah my bad, Dean. Didn't know you were "pouring yourself a tall one" for regurgitating BNS articles. I thought you'd only reserve celebrations and pats on the back like that for actually coming up with the idea all on your one.

 

Roflmao... you're the best Term.

[BatFlip]

I was simply aiming to steer discussion away from unlikely scenarios of 2% likelihood or less (like Duvall/Grichuk adds).

 

I brought up the post from months ago to clarify to the poster I was responding to that while I was now suggesting Schneider might start in AAA, it's not because he isn't a possibility in LF.

 

 

Go pour yourself a tall one Dean, I think you earned it man.

[BatFlip]

Davis Schneider

Travis Snider

David Snider

Travid Schneider

Dravis Schreiber

 

Ravis Schroider

Ricky Schroder

[deanmike]

Roflmao... you're the best Term.

 

Hilarious considering you're the same braindead meathead who tried to act like you called the IKF/KK signings on this board, meanwhile you just regurgitated what Hurl told you from his source.

[Terminator]

I was simply aiming to steer discussion away from unlikely scenarios of 2% likelihood or less (like Duvall/Grichuk adds).

 

I brought up the post from months ago to clarify to the poster I was responding to that while I was now suggesting Schneider might start in AAA, it's not because he isn't a possibility in LF.

 

Alright alright my bad, let's get back to the bench talk.

 

I'm starting to wonder if we even want Vogelbach. If Turner plays the field some then we have more room for him but even then Jansen/Kirk are good enough bats to handle the backup DH/pinch hitter role that Vogelbach is trying to win. Schneider can get some DH ABs as well. And it seems like Vogelbach might be on borrowed time anyway with Horwitz and Barger knocking down the door.

 

If one of Vogelbach/Horwitz do make the team then we have to move an infielder. If it's optioning Espinal (or even better trading him) that would be fine. But DFA'ing Clement or optioning Schneider seem like dumb moves to me. I'd rather dump Vogelbach.

[BTS]

Hilarious considering you're the same braindead meathead who tried to act like you called the IKF/KK signings on this board, meanwhile you just regurgitated what Hurl told you from his source.

 

Spanky was actually Hurl's source. Please educate yourself before criticizing a Canadian baseball legend.

[deanmike]

Spanky was actually Hurl's source. Please educate yourself before criticizing a Canadian baseball legend.

 

Really eh

 

Hurl told me about the KK and IKF signings way before they signed, from term to exact money, friendo.

[deanmike]

Alright alright my bad, let's get back to the bench talk.

 

I'm starting to wonder if we even want Vogelbach. If Turner plays the field some then we have more room for him but even then Jansen/Kirk are good enough bats to handle the backup DH/pinch hitter role that Vogelbach is trying to win. Schneider can get some DH ABs as well. And it seems like Vogelbach might be on borrowed time anyway with Horwitz and Barger knocking down the door.

 

If one of Vogelbach/Horwitz do make the team then we have to move an infielder. If it's optioning Espinal (or even better trading him) that would be fine. But DFA'ing Clement or optioning Schneider seem like dumb moves to me. I'd rather dump Vogelbach.

 

I agree, I wouldn't mind Vogelbach not making up the team to free up potential opportunity elsewhere.

[BTS]

Really eh

 

He’s just being humble. Spanky doesn’t like to let on how plugged in he is

[L54]

Alright alright my bad, let's get back to the bench talk.

 

I'm starting to wonder if we even want Vogelbach. If Turner plays the field some then we have more room for him but even then Jansen/Kirk are good enough bats to handle the backup DH/pinch hitter role that Vogelbach is trying to win. Schneider can get some DH ABs as well. And it seems like Vogelbach might be on borrowed time anyway with Horwitz and Barger knocking down the door.

 

If one of Vogelbach/Horwitz do make the team then we have to move an infielder. If it's optioning Espinal (or even better trading him) that would be fine. But DFA'ing Clement or optioning Schneider seem like dumb moves to me. I'd rather dump Vogelbach.

 

The only way I will be able to stomach Danny V is by optioning Espinal. I hate the idea of having all three of Vlad/Turner/Vogelbach all posing as statues

[Spanky99]

Hilarious considering you're the same braindead meathead who tried to act like you called the IKF/KK signings on this board, meanwhile you just regurgitated what Hurl told you from his source.

 

lol... Go Team Dean!