Manoah Demoted

[jaysblue]

Except the Jays are part of MLB and had a say in the decisions made. The players though are different, they are effectively unionized staff.

 

It's just an interesting line of thought. A comparable might be 1B being moved 15 feet further into the OF, leading to Kirk regularly getting thrown out at 1B on his liners to the OF and the end of his career. Would he have a legal case?

 

You're really overthinking too much.

 

MLB Player Union would then file a grievance to the pitch clock and they never did when it was discussed.

[Captain_Obvious]

I wonder if they're worried they'll send him down and he'll still get hammered by AAA hitters. If that happened it could be devastating for him mentally. Might never come back.

 

Wight. Manoah's feelings might be huwt. Let him destwoy the Blue Jays playoffs hopes instead so that he does not cwaay.

[Jimcanuck]

You're really overthinking too much.

 

MLB Player Union would then file a grievance to the pitch clock and they never did when it was discussed.

 

No I'm not. It doesn't matter about a union grievance or not. Manoah can take action on his own.

[Spanky99]

My God, Jim... *smh*

[Acemeister79]

Wight. Manoah's feelings might be huwt. Let him destwoy the Blue Jays playoffs hopes instead so that he does not cwaay.

Happy that sarcasm and laughs are still alive here.. Got banned this week on a Reddit sub for opining that Roger's was a mob of wokesters for piling on Bass for simply hitting a repost button. Folks need SPF 1000 for the thin skins they've developed over the past few years,

[Eat My Shatkins]

Wight. Manoah's feelings might be huwt. Let him destwoy the Blue Jays playoffs hopes instead so that he does not cwaay.

 

I didn't say a single thing about his feelings, why did you quote me???

[L54]

Hurry up

[jaysblue]

I'm shocked they've given Manoah this long of a leash. He needs to be sent down and should not be making another start at the big league level.

 

This is Josh Towers 2006 level of embarrassment right here!

[Stangstag]

I'm shocked they've given Manoah this long of a leash. He needs to be sent down and should not be making another start at the big league level.

 

This is Josh Towers 2006 level of embarrassment right here!

 

Yeah I thought they would’ve made the move a couple starts ago, but something definitely has to be done now. At this point you’re just completely destroying any remaining confidence Manoah had and punting every 5th game. Get someone like Francis or Pearson in there for a few starts, get Manoah working on things in the minors and get him back up here in a month or two.

[M.E.]

He’s going tomorrow. They have make a move for Bassit. By doing this it kicks the can to the next start and get to keep the extra reliever for a few days.

[Olerud363]

When Doc first was sent down, did he get hammered by minor league bats in his first couple of starts? Again, Jays need Manoah long term and even if this season is a wash for him, he can still be valuable in 2024 and 2025.

 

The Doc story is more nuanced than the version people like to tell, that he was sent down to a+ to rebuild his delivery.

 

In 2000 Doc was having a season like Manoah except worse (10.x ERA), lot's of walks, screwed the Jays in what was a weak AL East, lost them Michael Young when they had to trade him for help, then he was sent down to Syracuse and was bad there too 5.x ERA.

 

Then it was spring of 2001 he was sent down to A+ in Spring Training. In that context it wasn't as controversial, just keep him in Dunedin and have him work on things in the nice weather to some extent. Though they did move him up 1 level at a time.

 

However with Manoah now does it make sense to have him in Buffalo? travelling on buses and eating at the Denny's in Columbus Ohio? Kind of would make sense at this point to go to Dunedin and work in a nice environment closer to his home... I guess on the other hand Dunedin is now a level lower, so may not be enough of a challenge even to Manoah... A+ is Vancouver now.

[THANOS]

The Doc story is more nuanced than the version people like to tell, that he was sent down to a+ to rebuild his delivery.

 

In 2000 Doc was having a season like Manoah except worse (10.x ERA), lot's of walks, screwed the Jays in what was a weak AL East, lost them Michael Young when they had to trade him for help, then he was sent down to Syracuse and was bad there too 5.x ERA.

 

Then it was spring of 2001 he was sent down to A+ in Spring Training. In that context it wasn't as controversial, just keep him in Dunedin and have him work on things in the nice weather to some extent. Though they did move him up 1 level at a time.

 

However with Manoah now does it make sense to have him in Buffalo? travelling on buses and eating at the Denny's in Columbus Ohio? Kind of would make sense at this point to go to Dunedin and work in a nice environment closer to his home... I guess on the other hand Dunedin is now a level lower, so may not be enough of a challenge even to Manoah... A+ is Vancouver now.

 

Put him on the 15 day IL, send him to the Dunedin complex to work with the dietician, conditioning, and with weighted balls, then start him in Low A, and work from there based on performance and underlying metrics (K/9, BB/9, Velo, Spin, etc) to earn promotions up each level.

[Laika]

Put him on the 15 day IL, send him to the Dunedin complex to work with the dietician, conditioning, and with weighted balls, then start him in Low A, and work from there based on performance and underlying metrics (K/9, BB/9, Velo, Spin, etc) to earn promotions up each level.

 

Yeah I would be tempted to do something similar. I dunno about the conditioning and weighted ball stuff - that is offseason work.

 

But I think a mental break is in order (no pitching, just light tossing) and then some time just doing mechanical work and drills.

[Slade]

About damn time.

 

[RustyTrombone]

Manoah all the way down to the florida complex league. Bassit back from paternity list, Bowden Francis called up, Espy activated from IL, Ernie Clement and Jay Jackson to AAA, Zach Thompson DFA.

 

About f***ing time. Now the long rebuild of our once Ace.

[John_Havok]

already posted. lock it up mods

[connorp]

already posted. lock it up mods

 

Lesser news had been thread worthy. Seems you’re jealous you were late to the party.

[Stangstag]

Manoah all the way down to the florida complex league. Bassit back from paternity list, Bowden Francis called up, Espy activated from IL, Ernie Clement and Jay Jackson to AAA, Zach Thompson DFA.

 

About f***ing time. Now the long rebuild of our once Ace.

 

He was never the ace, Gausman has always been better

[Laika]

It has its own thread. This one!

[RustyTrombone]

He was never the ace, Gausman has always been better

 

Debatable, could have easily taken Manoahs age, and fact he was homegrown and projected him to take another step forward, not 5 massive steps backwards.

[John_Havok]

Wow. Letting JH call the shots. Was totally deserving of own thread

 

The real Sherriff lives here.

[mphenhef]

If Manoah wasn't happy about the major league contract he was given, he's really not going to be happy about minor league pay.

[connorp]

If Manoah wasn't happy about the major league contract he was given, he's really not going to be happy about minor league pay.

 

Yeah, easy to root for Manoah if you like alpha personalities, but you need to be good to have one. I enjoy him getting this humble pie in his face. He’ll be back

[Stangstag]

If Manoah wasn't happy about the major league contract he was given, he's really not going to be happy about minor league pay.

 

Hope he has some savings

[John_Havok]

Hope he has some savings

 

His 2.2 million bonus from last season should come in handy.

[John_Havok]

uh oh... Jim vs connorp

 

This is gonna go off the rails in a hurry.

[max silver]

Yeah, easy to root for Manoah if you like alpha personalities, but you need to be good to have one. I enjoy him getting this humble pie in his face. He’ll be back

 

That's really f***ing dumb. Manoah is getting his serving of humble pie because he's struggling immensely. These struggles have the team battling for a wild card spot rather than challenging for the division. I'd sure as s*** prefer to see Manoah continuing to dominate and acting cocky/aggressive on the mound at the same time.

[wilko]

About damn time.

 

 

[connorp]

That's really f***ing dumb. Manoah is getting his serving of humble pie because he's struggling immensely. These struggles have the team battling for a wild card spot rather than challenging for the division. I'd sure as s*** prefer to see Manoah continuing to dominate and acting cocky/aggressive on the mound at the same time.

 

Bro, he wasn’t going to break down things on his own. Someone needed to tell him he wasn’t ok and he wasn’t going to just keep going out there and battling. Something needed to change.

 

I like Manoah but he’s just not the same pitcher without that slider. He needed an ego check. I’m confident he’ll come back better

 

When he’s good again, I have no problem with him being an alpha.

[Stangstag]

One thing people haven’t pointed out is that he will likely be hanging around Ryu and Chad Green rehabbing at the Florida complex, that could be helpful for him to be around some big league guys. He and Ryu were good buds in his rookie year IIRC.