gdt today red sox

[Spanky99]

Jesus this was a terrible series. Gotta try and salvage this road-trip somewhat.

 

Win the series in Pitt and split with Philly hopefully

 

Wasn't Philly just outscored 44 - to like 6 or something? I might have misread but it was real bad.

 

No one is reeling.

[Spanky99]

You’re really cranked up, Spank. Side effect from the gender affirming care?

 

Mods

[Spanky99]

Connor, really is oblivious to the rules of this forum... lol

 

I'm fine with it, but I doubt others do, or maybe I'm wrong.

 

Hah!

[connorp]

The drunk/stoned thing is old, I was looking for alternatives

[JFD]

Dumpster fire series

 

f*** you Spanky and Springer. Overrated bums

[Omar]

Dumpster fire series

 

f*** you Spanky and Springer. Overrated bums

 

Well, it is just one series.

[WryNGinger]

This is just SO the Bluejays.

 

It has been crazy how %30 of the hitters carried the results for a while and then maybe 2 more regs picked up to carry the load.

 

On the r pitching side nobody was more than 2 games away from an outing to watch for and worry about.

No one in the minors is forcing mgmts hand to get promoted or playing lights out

 

Just a real sense of malaise over many parts of the system... Maybe they started with too much intensity early in spring? Wrong message?

 

Interesting to analyze the ebbs and flows of the beginning of the mlb season with the starts of minor keague camps and sites.

 

Thoughts?

[connorp]

Well, it is just one series.

 

I think it’s fair to take a second look if you were drinking Jay juice and thinking of the Jays as one of the best teams in baseball.

 

6 weeks in there’s stuff you cant just attribute to a sss. Like 6-9 last night: Belt, Jansen, Biggio, and KK being an under .600 OPS rip as a whole. That would’ve been called trolling pre-season, but it’s objectively not surprising. The non-stuff RPs are being exposed. SP has been a bit of a roller coaster.

 

So the series bringing the fans back to earth a bit is probably fair.

I personally think the Jays are a clear WC team but just have warts that will make them come up short on the division.

[Olerud363]

Grant how's it feel to get 4-game swept by the worst team in the history of baseball?

 

Hasn't been a good 7 months for Grant, with Toronto getting beat by the worst playoff team ever in October, then the same team comes back Sunday to start this losing streak, with the four game sweep by the worst organizaton in baseball.

 

We'll see what happens, but all of a sudden the worst organization in baseball history has rebuilt a top 3 offense with a bunch of savy moves.

 

Connor Wong, Emanuel Valdez, Yoshida, Verdugo, Durran, Kind of got a bunch of unheralded guys, acquired different ways, but in their prime 24-29 years.

 

They have a bunch of 19 year olds in their 'worse ever over-rated' farm system, with Mayer potentially a star, and the rest could be something, or could put up some hot numbers and be part of trade packages.

 

I would not be surprised if they get Ohtani and go on a similar run to their 2016-2018 run.

 

Blue Jays Vlad/Bo years

 

Year 1 of contention - Random Red Sox team steals the playoff spot by 1 game

Year 2 of contention - Mariners embarass them in wild card

Year 3 of contention - Red Sox team rebuilds in 6 months with savy pickups to take the wild card lead from Jays at around 1/4 mark of season.

 

Lots of season to go, but tip your hat to one of the best organizations in baseball for a possible quick trip back to the playoffs if their pitching comes around at all.

[John_Havok]

Hasn't been a good 7 months for Grant, with Toronto getting beat by the worst playoff team ever in October, then the same team comes back Sunday to start this losing streak, with the four game sweep by the worst organizaton in baseball.

 

We'll see what happens, but all of a sudden the worst organization in baseball history has rebuilt a top 3 offense with a bunch of savy moves.

 

Connor Wong, Emanuel Valdez, Yoshida, Verdugo, Durran, Kind of got a bunch of unheralded guys, acquired different ways, but in their prime 24-29 years.

 

They have a bunch of 19 year olds in their 'worse ever over-rated' farm system, with Mayer potentially a star, and the rest could be something, or could put up some hot numbers and be part of trade packages.

 

I would not be surprised if they get Ohtani and go on a similar run to their 2016-2018 run.

 

Blue Jays Vlad/Bo years

 

Year 1 of contention - Random Red Sox team steals the playoff spot by 1 game

Year 2 of contention - Mariners embarass them in wild card

Year 3 of contention - Red Sox team rebuilds in 6 months with savy pickups to take the wild card lead from Jays at around 1/4 mark of season.

 

Lots of season to go, but tip your hat to one of the best organizations in baseball for a possible quick trip back to the playoffs if their pitching comes around at all.

 

This is probably your best work on this board to date

[jaysblue]

Hasn't been a good 7 months for Grant, with Toronto getting beat by the worst playoff team ever in October, then the same team comes back Sunday to start this losing streak, with the four game sweep by the worst organizaton in baseball.

 

We'll see what happens, but all of a sudden the worst organization in baseball history has rebuilt a top 3 offense with a bunch of savy moves.

 

Connor Wong, Emanuel Valdez, Yoshida, Verdugo, Durran, Kind of got a bunch of unheralded guys, acquired different ways, but in their prime 24-29 years.

 

They have a bunch of 19 year olds in their 'worse ever over-rated' farm system, with Mayer potentially a star, and the rest could be something, or could put up some hot numbers and be part of trade packages.

 

I would not be surprised if they get Ohtani and go on a similar run to their 2016-2018 run.

 

Blue Jays Vlad/Bo years

 

Year 1 of contention - Random Red Sox team steals the playoff spot by 1 game

Year 2 of contention - Mariners embarass them in wild card

Year 3 of contention - Red Sox team rebuilds in 6 months with savy pickups to take the wild card lead from Jays at around 1/4 mark of season.

 

Lots of season to go, but tip your hat to one of the best organizations in baseball for a possible quick trip back to the playoffs if their pitching comes around at all.

 

This post is 100%

 

Can never count Boston out. Over the last decade they've always been able to retool fast via their farm system, some savy trades and FA signings. Plus they have money at their disposal to make a big splash if they want to. Definitely consider them a sleeper team for Ohtani. They never stay bad for long and when they get good, they actually come through, go on a deep Postseason run and win the World Series!

 

Boston this season still lacks solid starting pitching, but their BP seems fine and they have some intriguing bats in their lineup. Really no different than the Blue Jays when you consider how awful their starting rotation has looked thus far and even some BP arms.

 

I definitely now consider Boston a Wild Card contender. In my opinion, Yankees are the last place team in the AL East this season.

[John_Havok]

[L54]

Speak up D, or piss off, man. It's a tough stretch, nothing more to panic about.

 

f*** off J don’t tell me to piss off

[Dagagad]

Hasn't been a good 7 months for Grant, with Toronto getting beat by the worst playoff team ever in October, then the same team comes back Sunday to start this losing streak, with the four game sweep by the worst organizaton in baseball.

 

We'll see what happens, but all of a sudden the worst organization in baseball history has rebuilt a top 3 offense with a bunch of savy moves.

 

Connor Wong, Emanuel Valdez, Yoshida, Verdugo, Durran, Kind of got a bunch of unheralded guys, acquired different ways, but in their prime 24-29 years.

 

They have a bunch of 19 year olds in their 'worse ever over-rated' farm system, with Mayer potentially a star, and the rest could be something, or could put up some hot numbers and be part of trade packages.

 

I would not be surprised if they get Ohtani and go on a similar run to their 2016-2018 run.

 

Blue Jays Vlad/Bo years

 

Year 1 of contention - Random Red Sox team steals the playoff spot by 1 game

Year 2 of contention - Mariners embarass them in wild card

Year 3 of contention - Red Sox team rebuilds in 6 months with savy pickups to take the wild card lead from Jays at around 1/4 mark of season.

 

Lots of season to go, but tip your hat to one of the best organizations in baseball for a possible quick trip back to the playoffs if their pitching comes around at all.

 

Bloom was a fantastic hire.

 

It wouldn’t be the worst thing ever if this year was a bit of a reset and they turfed Atkins and hired Click as GM.

 

We aren’t a bad FO but we obviously aren’t elite.

[wilko]

Loose 4 games the sky starts falling!

[Dagagad]

Loose 4 games the sky starts falling!

 

I’ve been saying we are an average to above average FO for years. Its kind of obvious.

 

We have a guy in house who led one of the 2/3 best FOs in baseball and came from the best one. I don’t see how he wouldn’t be an upgrade.

[L54]

Loose 4 games the sky starts falling!

 

It’s actually 5

 

So many you lost count

[Omar]

I think it’s fair to take a second look if you were drinking Jay juice and thinking of the Jays as one of the best teams in baseball.

 

6 weeks in there’s stuff you cant just attribute to a sss. Like 6-9 last night: Belt, Jansen, Biggio, and KK being an under .600 OPS rip as a whole. That would’ve been called trolling pre-season, but it’s objectively not surprising. The non-stuff RPs are being exposed. SP has been a bit of a roller coaster.

 

So the series bringing the fans back to earth a bit is probably fair.

I personally think the Jays are a clear WC team but just have warts that will make them come up short on the division.

 

We are not as bad as that Boston series and Boston is not as good as that series. That being said I can already see some revisionism going on in the How good is our bullpen thread. We may have to jettison Belt and perhaps even Biggio when all is said and done. We can also go on a ten game win streak. Every team has warts and it is still very early. I think we will be battling for the division title come September.

[connorp]

We are not as bad as that Boston series and Boston is not as good as that series. That being said I can already see some revisionism going on in the How good is our bullpen thread. We may have to jettison Belt and perhaps even Biggio when all is said and done. We can also go on a ten game win streak. Every team has warts and it is still very early. I think we will be battling for the division title come September.

 

I still think the Belt thing was worth a shot. But the point is, you try something and if it doesn’t work, it’s only money lost on the bottom line with 1 year deals. But it’s not a good idea anymore when you ride it too long. I’m not saying that time is now but it can’t be far off

[Laika]

Yeah if Belt looks like this in 2-3 weeks it has to be over.

[Jonn]

Loose 4 games the sky starts falling!

 

They lost 5 in a row though.

[Stangstag]

Yeah if Belt looks like this in 2-3 weeks it has to be over.

 

Agreed. End of May is the absolute deadline for him to start showing signs of life. I'd rather be giving the 1B spot starts to Biggio if Belt is going to suck this bad.

[L54]

We are not as bad as that Boston series and Boston is not as good as that series. That being said I can already see some revisionism going on in the How good is our bullpen thread. We may have to jettison Belt and perhaps even Biggio when all is said and done. We can also go on a ten game win streak. Every team has warts and it is still very early. I think we will be battling for the division title come September.

 

Fair and rational post

[John_Havok]

We are not as bad as that Boston series and Boston is not as good as that series. That being said I can already see some revisionism going on in the How good is our bullpen thread. We may have to jettison Belt and perhaps even Biggio when all is said and done. We can also go on a ten game win streak. Every team has warts and it is still very early. I think we will be battling for the division title come September.

 

This pen is only ever going to be as good as the rotation. When the rotation blows, the pen gets overworked and sucks. When the rotation goes 6+ solid inning, the pen is fine.

 

That said, I stand by my posts in the pen thread that if the Jays want a championship calibre pen, there has to be at least 1 lefty and 1 more Garcia or better arm added. Maybe Green is the Garcia or better when he comes back but I gotta think they need someone before that. It's no guarantee he even makes it back in time to be eligible for the post season

[Stangstag]

This pen is only ever going to be as good as the rotation. When the rotation blows, the pen gets overworked and sucks. When the rotation goes 6+ solid inning, the pen is fine.

 

That said, I stand by my posts in the pen thread that if the Jays want a championship calibre pen, there has to be at least 1 lefty and 1 more Garcia or better arm added. Maybe Green is the Garcia or better when he comes back but I gotta think they need someone before that. It's no guarantee he even makes it back in time to be eligible for the post season

 

Is this a thing?? What about that year Stroman didn’t make it back until September and still pitched in the postseason? Is it because Greene was never an active Blue Jay?

[Krylian]

Is this a thing?? What about that year Stroman didn’t make it back until September and still pitched in the postseason? Is it because Greene was never an active Blue Jay?

 

Don't know why that would matter. He's under contract to the Blue Jays

[Orgfiller]

This pen is only ever going to be as good as the rotation. When the rotation blows, the pen gets overworked and sucks. When the rotation goes 6+ solid inning, the pen is fine.

 

That said, I stand by my posts in the pen thread that if the Jays want a championship calibre pen, there has to be at least 1 lefty and 1 more Garcia or better arm added. Maybe Green is the Garcia or better when he comes back but I gotta think they need someone before that. It's no guarantee he even makes it back in time to be eligible for the post season

 

Is this a thing?? What about that year Stroman didn’t make it back until September and still pitched in the postseason? Is it because Greene was never an active Blue Jay?

 

Don't know why that would matter. He's under contract to the Blue Jays

 

It's not a thing. Green would be eligible for the postseason.

 

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/postseason-roster-rules-eligibility

 

In a typical season, any player who is on the 40-man roster or 60-day injured list as of 11:59 p.m. ET on Aug. 31 is eligible for the postseason.

 

Those on the restricted list at that point are also eligible if they haven't been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs during that season. (All players who have served a suspension for PEDs in a given season are ineligible for postseason play that year.)

 

A player who doesn't meet said criteria for postseason eligibility can still be added to a team's roster in the postseason via petition to the Commissioner's Office if the player was in the organization on Aug. 31 and is replacing someone who is on the injured list and has served the minimum amount of time required for activation. (For example, a player on the 10-day injured list who has been on it for at least 10 days, or a player who has been on the 60-day injured list for at least 60 days.) Players who are acquired in September or after are ineligible.

 

Green is currently on the 60-day IL and will be the majority of the year.

[John_Havok]

It's not a thing. Green would be eligible for the postseason.

 

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/postseason-roster-rules-eligibility

 

 

 

Green is currently on the 60-day IL and will be the majority of the year.

 

Ah yes, forgot about the IL thing

[Omar]

This pen is only ever going to be as good as the rotation. When the rotation blows, the pen gets overworked and sucks. When the rotation goes 6+ solid inning, the pen is fine.

 

That said, I stand by my posts in the pen thread that if the Jays want a championship calibre pen, there has to be at least 1 lefty and 1 more Garcia or better arm added. Maybe Green is the Garcia or better when he comes back but I gotta think they need someone before that. It's no guarantee he even makes it back in time to be eligible for the post season

 

Agreed. The pen as it stands is adequate, nothing more.

[Omar]

This post is 100%

 

Can never count Boston out. Over the last decade they've always been able to retool fast via their farm system, some savy trades and FA signings. Plus they have money at their disposal to make a big splash if they want to. Definitely consider them a sleeper team for Ohtani. They never stay bad for long and when they get good, they actually come through, go on a deep Postseason run and win the World Series!

 

Boston this season still lacks solid starting pitching, but their BP seems fine and they have some intriguing bats in their lineup. Really no different than the Blue Jays when you consider how awful their starting rotation has looked thus far and even some BP arms.

 

I definitely now consider Boston a Wild Card contender. In my opinion, Yankees are the last place team in the AL East this season.