Former Blue Jays Thread

[G-Snarls]

[Omar]

That’s number 100 for Pillar in the majors.

[G-Snarls]

That’s number 100 for Pillar in the majors.

 

And it beat the Orioles

[Brownie19]

Gurriel is pretty hot for Zona right now.

[Jonn]

Gurriel is pretty hot for Zona right now.

 

Already matched his homerun total from last Season. He's also walking at a career rate.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Already matched his homerun total from last Season. He's also walking at a career rate.

 

Sometimes a trade can be a wakeup call for some players.

[Brownie19]

It's pretty crazy that Moreno is a lifetime .305 hitter and his wRC+ is 96.

[Stangstag]

Sometimes a trade can be a wakeup call for some players.

 

He's also a free agent after the season so maybe has a bit more motivation... plus AZ is considered a hitter-friendly park

[G-Snarls]

It's pretty crazy that Moreno is a lifetime .305 hitter and his wRC+ is 96.

 

Slap hitter with no power. .377 SLG

 

Still, as long as he's good defensively (and he always appeared to be) he'll have a good career.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Was poking around FG and noticed Jordan Groshans is still AAA and only has a 44 wRC+ so far.

 

Of all the prospects the Jays have traded the last few years, they really haven't given up any that went on to do anything.

 

Looks like Moreno might be the only one who will do F all, and we still have two pretty good catchers anyways so whoopty do.

 

And they absolutely flogged the A's in the Chapman deal, depending on what Hoglund does, but I don't think he's even pitched yet this season.

[G-Snarls]

Was poking around FG and noticed Jordan Groshans is still AAA and only has a 44 wRC+ so far.

 

Of all the prospects the Jays have traded the last few years, they really haven't given up any that went on to do anything.

 

Looks like Moreno might be the only one who will do F all, and we still have two pretty good catchers anyways so whoopty do.

 

And they absolutely flogged the A's in the Chapman deal, depending on what Hoglund does, but I don't think he's even pitched yet this season.

 

The Donaldson and Chapman trades are so lopsided it's not even funny

 

Billy Beane's trade record from his last 5-6 years before he quit as GM is atrocious.

[max silver]

He's also a free agent after the season so maybe has a bit more motivation... plus AZ is considered a hitter-friendly park

 

Chase Field has actually been slightly pitcher friendly over the last few seasons.

[Stangstag]

Chase Field has actually been slightly pitcher friendly over the last few seasons.

 

Interesting

[John_Havok]

Kinda the perfect time to compare Gurriel and Varsho ...

 

Gurriel

 

Varsho

 

 

Both at 0.8 fWAR, but Varsho is a + across the board in value on all sides of the ball. Gurriel is what he always has been, a really good bat with bad baserunning and defense that so far the bat has overcome.

 

If Gurriel's bat slips, he has nothing to fall back on to help a team win games. If Varsho's offense dips, he still helps a team win ball games in other ways.

 

 

Both players help you win games, but Varsho is the better bet to avoid peaks and valleys.

[Spanky__99]

Gurrriel was a throw in to get Varsho? I mean an expiring contract and Varsho's a country mile more talented, Jays wanted Varsho, DB's wanted Moreno and Lourdes closed up the value, good trade for both teams. Varsho's a stud.

[Jonn]

Gurrriel was a throw in to get Varsho? I mean an expiring contract and Varsho's a country mile more talented, Jays wanted Varsho, DB's wanted Moreno and Lourdes closed up the value, good trade for both teams. Varsho's a stud.

 

He wasn’t really a throw in the Dbacks wanted him. They wanted veteran they could put into their lineup. Obviously Moreno was the main piece but I’m sure the Jays would have retained Gurriel it they could have.

[Spanky__99]

He wasn’t really a throw in the Dbacks wanted him. They wanted veteran they could put into their lineup. Obviously Moreno was the main piece but I’m sure the Jays would have retained Gurriel it they could have.

 

Of course they wanted him, ya dingleberry. He was a throw in for Toronto to land Varsho. It's in my post, Jonn.

[Jonn]

Of course they wanted him, ya dingleberry. He was a throw in for Toronto to land Varsho. It's in my post, Jonn.

 

He wasn’t throw in because the trade didn’t happen without him going the other way. Try to keep up lol

[max silver]

Kinda the perfect time to compare Gurriel and Varsho ...

 

Gurriel

 

Varsho

 

 

Both at 0.8 fWAR, but Varsho is a + across the board in value on all sides of the ball. Gurriel is what he always has been, a really good bat with bad baserunning and defense that so far the bat has overcome.

 

If Gurriel's bat slips, he has nothing to fall back on to help a team win games. If Varsho's offense dips, he still helps a team win ball games in other ways.

 

 

Both players help you win games, but Varsho is the better bet to avoid peaks and valleys.

 

Gurriel's has gone on one of his patented super hot streaks recently which make his season look like it's been more consistent. If you go back to May 2 he produced all of an 85 WRC+ and was worth -0.2 FWAR. I was always hoping the guy could find a way to limit the funks he went into as he would tend to run white hot and completely cold after the hot streak ended.

[Jonn]

Gurriel's has gone on one of his patented super hot streaks recently which make his season look like it's been more consistent. If you go back to May 2 he produced all of an 85 WRC+ and was worth -0.2 FWAR. I was always hoping the guy could find a way to limit the funks he went into as he would tend to run white hot and completely cold after the hot streak ended.

 

You can almost say the same about Varsho. His numbers 2 weeks ago were horrendous. Only aided by his base running.

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You can almost say the same about Varsho. His numbers 2 weeks ago were horrendous. Only aided by his base running.

 

Yeah I was also thinking the same thing as Varsho has also needed a recent hot spring to bring his overall numbers back to respectability. On May 1 he was siting with a 65 WRC+ and 0.1 FWAR.

 

Varsho was still providing more value on the bases and in the field, so he has a profile that can provide a bit more value even when the bat is cold. Gurriel is almost completely dependent on his offensive contributions in comparison. If both players were to have an entire season offensively the way they started Varsho likely ends up with something like 1.5 more WAR for the entire season.

[Laika]

Long season remaining but the trade looks great for Arizona.

 

That doesn't necessarily mean Toronto loses the trade. It just means that sudden and decisive outcome that was a possibility on their end, where Moreno busts and Toronto just wins the swap outright, is certainly not happening.

 

Because Moreno looks like a stud. He's going to hit .300 this year with no power and be a 2 WAR catcher. Then he's going to learn how to poke enough homers to be JT Realmuto from 2025 onwards.

 

Gurriel is whatever. If he has a good walk year with the Diamondbacks, good for him and them. But he didn't have any substantial value at the time of the trade IMO.

[jaysblue]

Wonder if the D'backs offer Gurriel a QO. He'll have to continue these types of numbers all season.

[Laika]

Wonder if the D'backs offer Gurriel a QO. He'll have to continue these types of numbers all season.

 

Hard to see it but I guess there is a chance, if he keeps this up and ends up with a 3 WAR and/or 25+ HR season.

[Pendleton]

Wouldn't want to be the team signing Gurriel at age 30 coming off of a career year.

[Stangstag]

Wouldn't want to be the team signing Gurriel at age 30 coming off of a career year.

 

Sounds like a Phillies/Angels move

[jaysblue]

Sounds like a Phillies/Angels move

 

Rockies as well haha.

[Spanky__99]

He wasn’t throw in because the trade didn’t happen without him going the other way. Try to keep up lol

 

Do you ever have your thick on today, dude... in my post, *Jays wanted Varsho, DB's wanted Moreno, and Lourdes closed up the value, good trade for both teams.* Try to keep up.

[max silver]

Do you ever have your thick on today, dude... in my post, *Jays wanted Varsho, DB's wanted Moreno and Lourdes closed up the value, good trade for both teams.* Try to keep up.

 

In a rare occurrence I completely agree with Jonn on something. Atkins is on record stating that the Diamondbacks specifically asked for Gurriel to complete the deal. It's really odd that they would have insisted on a defensively challenged streak hitter, but they must have really wanted a right handed hitting outfielder to balance out their left handed complement they already had.

[Spanky__99]

In a rare occurrence I completely agree with Jonn on something. Atkins is on record stating that the Diamondbacks specifically asked for Gurriel to complete the deal. It's really odd that they would have insisted on a defensively challenged streak hitter, but they must have really wanted a right handed hitting outfielder to balance out their left handed complement they already had.

 

Of course they wanted him, and he was expendable here as a throw in to even up the value is what I'm saying and have said several times on the matter.