General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Laika]

[bowden] Toronto continues to pursue free agents Cody Bellinger and Matt Chapman with Chapman the more likely acquisition of the two.

 

Would really prefer Bellinger if we had to overpay one of the two. Being left handed, younger with more potential and ability to play multiple positions seems like the much better choice.

 

But will cost maybe twice as much

[Jays24]

But will cost maybe twice as much

 

Not sure about that. I'm pulling this out of my ass but it seems like 6/150 for Chapman vs 8/200 for Bellinger are what they're hoping for.

 

Now whether any of them get that is what's causing the delay of them signing. Bellinger gets more term/risk due to his age but I don't think there's going to be more than a 5M difference annually.

[Spanky99]

Just from reading the reactions you would assume they were a bottom 10 team. This wasn't the A's out there. I believe the Jays were somewhere right in around 10th in wRC+ 12 in runs scored and 14th in HR's. While repeating those numbers would certainly not be the goal it's also easiest to see what changed most for the Jays....The Rogers Centre

 

They were 5th in wRC+ on the road. 7th in runs scored. 10th in HR's.

 

Generally a team's road numbers are a truer showing of their true selves

 

specifically you can look at 2 players, Vladdy and Varsho who were themselves on the road and just awful in the RC. If my memory serves me correctly VGJ was 130 wRC+ on the road with 15 HRs. Varsho was over 100 wRC+ and something like 60 in the RC.

 

My biggest criticism of this FO has been the abandoning of the Mental Skills team and programs after Mugford left. Looks like the Jays are bringing John Lannon with the team this year instead of leaving him in Florida. If this is a mental issue at the RC. It's fixable. If it is something environmental in the RC, it's fixable. If it doesn't get fixed this year that's on the F.O. and out they go.

 

Yeah, I've mentioned and said the same in a nutshell, but as is, we're worst off right now, add some ISO and I'm fine with it.

[Laika]

Not sure about that. I'm pulling this out of my ass but it seems like 6/150 for Chapman vs 8/200 for Bellinger are what they're hoping for.

 

Now whether any of them get that is what's causing the delay of them signing. Bellinger gets more term/risk due to his age but I don't think there's going to be more than a 5M difference annually.

 

That's what they want but they won't get it

 

My guess for Chapman is 4/$80m. He'd be lucky to get $100m

 

Bellinger, maybe he does get $150m

[Stangstag]

That's what they want but they won't get it

 

My guess for Chapman is 4/$80m. He'd be lucky to get $100m

 

Bellinger, maybe he does get $150m

 

4/80 for Chapman is palatable. I think his contract will be close to Springer’s though.

 

150 for Bellinger is still risky but I’d probably do it considering the team’s current/future outlook.

[max silver]

4/80 for Chapman is palatable. I think his contract will be close to Springer’s though.

 

150 for Bellinger is still risky but I’d probably do it considering the team’s current/future outlook.

 

I have a really hard time envisioning anyone handing out a Springer contract to Chapman given the boom/bust offensive profile. Although Boras seems to have a way to convince dumb owners to hand out mega deals while completely sidestepping their front offices so who knows.

[L54]

Chapman’s market is beginning to dry up. Scotty may have overshot his hand

 

Who were the players heading into the offseason?

 

Arizona - traded for Suarez

 

San Francisco - took on Ray’s contract, signed the Asian dude for too much money

 

Yankees - Soto, need starting pitching now. Still possible

 

Cubs - almost certainly prefer Bellinger but could use Chapman

 

Jays - have already signed the cornerstone IKF

 

Seattle - LOL

 

Detroit?

[Stangstag]

Chapman’s market is beginning to dry up. Scotty may have overshot his hand

 

Who were the players heading into the offseason?

 

Arizona - traded for Suarez

 

San Francisco - took on Ray’s contract, signed the Asian dude for too much money

 

Yankees - Soto, need starting pitching now. Still possible

 

Cubs - almost certainly prefer Bellinger but could use Chapman

 

Jays - have already signed the cornerstone IKF

 

Seattle - LOL

 

Detroit?

 

I could definitely see Chapman to the Yanks. And it would suck.

[MikeM3]

Chapman’s market is beginning to dry up. Scotty may have overshot his hand

 

Who were the players heading into the offseason?

 

Arizona - traded for Suarez

 

San Francisco - took on Ray’s contract, signed the Asian dude for too much money

 

Yankees - Soto, need starting pitching now. Still possible

 

Cubs - almost certainly prefer Bellinger but could use Chapman

 

Jays - have already signed the cornerstone IKF

 

Seattle - LOL

 

Detroit?

 

Cubs

[deanmike]

Based on what I've read about Chapman's connections to multiple current members of the Giants organization, plus KingSarcasm already said Jays won't be bringing Chapman back and he hasn't missed yet, I would be shocked if Chapman doesn't sign with San Francisco.

[MikeM3]

Looks like we hired some guy named Ricky Meinhold to be our pitching coordinator which I guess is a move in the right direction.

 

But he doesn't seem like a stuffist from what I've watched of his interviews so that's concerning.

[L54]

Looks like we hired some guy named Ricky Meinhold to be our pitching coordinator which I guess is a move in the right direction.

 

But he doesn't seem like a stuffist from what I've watched of his interviews so that's concerning.

 

Does he like to have a couple drinks in Florida in February?

[MikeM3]

Does he like to have a couple drinks in Florida in February?

 

Hey what if this guy's job is just to coordinate rides for Walker

[Spanky99]

Man, Teo would've been a nice pillow deal candidate.

 

F U Dodgers!

[BigCecil]

Man, Teo would've been a nice pillow deal candidate.

 

F U Dodgers!

 

This off season feels like an Agatha Christie novel as one after another just gets killed off.

[Grant77]

This off season feels like an Agatha Christie novel as one after another just gets killed off.

 

*last free agent signs*

 

And then there were none...

[BigCecil]

*last free agent signs*

 

And then there were none...

 

Exactly lol. Right out of the “Ten Little In….er..Indigenous People” movie based on her novel.

[L54]

Hey what if this guy's job is just to coordinate rides for Walker

 

Not a bad hire if the org likes Pete

[Sorrow]

On my end I’m hearing nothing. I’ve had two separate posters message me asking if I heard anything over the weekend as they had heard potentially a signing soonish.

 

My source is presently travelling and if my understanding is correct they’re interviewing for a promotion with another org.

[Eat My Shatkins]

On my end I’m hearing nothing. I’ve had two separate posters message me asking if I heard anything over the weekend as they had heard potentially a signing soonish.

 

My source is presently travelling and if my understanding is correct they’re interviewing for a promotion with another org.

 

Did they say who the Jays might be potentially signing soonish?

[Sorrow]

No and I didn’t bother asking. I wouldn’t be surprised if we had an offer out on Teo and he ended up a Dodger.

[Jays24]

Per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the San Francisco Giants and Toronto Blue Jays have emerged as potential landing spots for the free agent slugger, citing that both teams are interested in adding “power bats,” with the six-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger fitting the bill.

 

P.S. yes I know it's Morosi but I'm desperate for Jays news leading to an impact signing.

[L54]

Per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the San Francisco Giants and Toronto Blue Jays have emerged as potential landing spots for the free agent slugger, citing that both teams are interested in adding “power bats,” with the six-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger fitting the bill.

 

P.S. yes I know it's Morosi but I'm desperate for Jays news leading to an impact signing.

 

Would love to add J Mart

[Jays24]

Would love to add J Mart

 

Hes literally the perfect candidate given it'd most likely only be a 1 year deal. Still holding out hope Bellingers market totally craters and we get him and J.D.

 

RF Springer

SS Bo

LF Bellinger

1B Vlad

DH Martinez

C Kirk/Jansen

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IKF

CF KK/Varsho

 

Getting 2 impact bats are still definitely needed on this team to consider them better than last year.

[L54]

Hes literally the perfect candidate given it'd most likely only be a 1 year deal. Still holding out hope Bellingers market totally craters and we get him and J.D.

 

RF Springer

SS Bo

LF Bellinger

1B Vlad

DH Martinez

C Kirk/Jansen

2B Biggio/Schneider

3B IKF

CF KK/Varsho

 

Getting 2 impact bats are still definitely needed on this team to consider them better than last year.

 

Looks good on paper! Don’t think they have the budget to do so though

[G-Snarls]

Looks good on paper! Don’t think they have the budget to do so though

 

Martinez yes

 

Bellinger no

[Jonn]

Per MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the San Francisco Giants and Toronto Blue Jays have emerged as potential landing spots for the free agent slugger, citing that both teams are interested in adding “power bats,” with the six-time All-Star and three-time Silver Slugger fitting the bill.

 

P.S. yes I know it's Morosi but I'm desperate for Jays news leading to an impact signing.

 

Reported for posting Morosi.

[Frenchsoup]

So who are we targeting? Who is Ross on the phone with.....?

[mphenhef]

So who are we targeting? Who is Ross on the phone with.....?

 

probably his proctologist

[Marew]

Glad we are finally crossing the T and eyes on the bellinger contract that they drafted last month