General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[L54]

10-7 to get to 90 wins

 

13-4 to get to 93 wins

 

I don't think 90 wins is a lock by any stretch

 

vs Tex (Montgomery)

vs Tex (Eovaldi)

vs Bos (Bello)

vs Bos (Sale)

vs Bos (Pivetta)

@NYY (Schmidt)

@NYY (King)

@NYY (Cole)

@TBR (Glasnow)

@TBR (Littell)

@TBR (Bradley)

 

then 3 more each vs the Yanks and Rays

 

Probably Cole, King and Glasnow twice in the last 12 games

 

And the offense is looking like the Cleveland Indians

[Dick_Pole]

We will win the next two vs Texas and everything will be ok again.

 

No, I wanna see a board meltdown if the playoff chances drop to 30% or whatever. Even better the guys who come in and cheer for the team to lose and miss the playoffs with the rationale being THAT is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and some magical organizational house-cleaning reset take place (haha, what a bunch of rubes who think like this).

[Spanky99]

Its about 1/10th of what it is in BOS and NY over their seasons so far.

 

Lets hope we bounce into the playoffs - suddenly get hot and roll to a 3rd ring. Then you can make fun of any of us who panicked and we'll happily take it.

 

Okay???

[Dick_Pole]

After 145 games the 2022 Blue Jays were in WC1 with a 6 game lead for a Wild Card spot.,

 

I think there was a couple of times in August it got close last year, but by this time the Jays had the playoff spot pretty much wrapped up.

 

Then I am mis-remembering. They were 17 games over .500 on this date last year and 15 this year so it's not totally incomparable. I guess the Mariners took a s*** earlier than I remembered last year.

[John_Havok]

Then I am mis-remembering. They were 17 games over .500 on this date last year and 15 this year so it's not totally incomparable. I guess the Mariners took a s*** earlier than I remembered last year.

 

You're essentially right, the Jays records are very similar from last year to this. The only difference is the records of other teams like Baltimore and Texas.

[Dick_Pole]

10-7 to get to 90 wins

 

13-4 to get to 93 wins

 

I don't think 90 wins is a lock by any stretch

 

vs Tex (Montgomery)

vs Tex (Eovaldi)

vs Bos (Bello)

vs Bos (Sale)

vs Bos (Pivetta)

@NYY (Schmidt)

@NYY (King)

@NYY (Cole)

@TBR (Glasnow)

@TBR (Littell)

@TBR (Bradley)

 

then 3 more each vs the Yanks and Rays

 

Probably Cole, King and Glasnow twice in the last 12 games

 

And the offense is looking like the Cleveland Indians

 

I don't use reasonings like this. I use stock market principles of board sentiment as contrarian indicator. Jays peaked just after the All-Star break after the Arizona sweep. Mouth breathers talking dumb s*** about 6 man rotations and Guerrero's Home Run Derby performance. That level of unchecked enthusiasm set the team back with six weeks of spinning its wheels at .500.

 

With the board sentiment being where it is now, 10-7 is as sure of a shot as buying Canopy Growth was two weeks ago. 13 is like...75% guaranteed.

[Olerud363]

Then I am mis-remembering. They were 17 games over .500 on this date last year and 15 this year so it's not totally incomparable. I guess the Mariners took a s*** earlier than I remembered last year.

 

No. Mariners were neck and neck with the Jays until the last series. Baltimore faded. Low point of last year was probably around Aug 29th or so after the sweep by the Angels with Baltimore and Minnesota closing in. Then the Jays went 8-2 on a 10 game road trip including 3/4 in the Baltimore freak park to get comfortably ahead and September was mostly just jockeying for WC spots.

[Olerud363]

No, I wanna see a board meltdown if the playoff chances drop to 30% or whatever. Even better the guys who come in and cheer for the team to lose and miss the playoffs with the rationale being THAT is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and some magical organizational house-cleaning reset take place (haha, what a bunch of rubes who think like this).

 

If they miss the playoffs I heard Shaprio will fire everyone, including himself (he will leave the renovation plans on his desk), then they will hire Mike Elias's assistant, who will trade everyone except the guys who are too fat, and he will put them on weight loss drugs until their OPS is over .900 again then trade them, then win 40 games, and 48, and 46, and draft the next 3 Jackson Holliday's then win 110.

 

So if we need a rough 2 weeks to put in motion the 110 win 2027 Blue Jays (who will be second to Mike Elias's record setting 117 win Orioles, but at least they will make the playoffs) then I'm all for it!

[bones10]

I’m flying into Toronto tomorrow to watch the game and I really don’t want to be watching a game that we’re trying to salvage 1 game of 4. Just f***ing win today

[Stangstag]

I’m flying into Toronto tomorrow to watch the game and I really don’t want to be watching a game that we’re trying to salvage 1 game of 4. Just f***ing win today

 

Im going tonight. Hoping for 2 dubs

[John_Havok]

Im going tonight. Hoping for 2 dubs

 

Im pretty sure they can only get 1 dub tonight.

[wilko]

Im pretty sure they can only get 1 dub tonight.

 

It's not a double header?

[Jonn]

Im pretty sure they can only get 1 dub tonight.

 

Maybe he talking about getting laid after a Blue Jays victory. She will be thinking about Kevin Kiermaier but it’s still a win.

[Spanky99]

Birds lineup against Monty tonight...

 

RF G. Springer R

DH Bo Bichette R

1B V. Guerrero R

2B D. Schneider R

LF W. Merrifield R

3B S. Espinal R

C A. Kirk R

SS E. Clement R

CF D. Varsho L

[Terminator]

Birds lineup against Monty tonight...

 

RF G. Springer R

DH Bo Bichette R

1B V. Guerrero R

2B D. Schneider R

LF W. Merrifield R

3B S. Espinal R

C A. Kirk R

SS E. Clement R

CF D. Varsho L

 

8 righties and a guy who is going to bunt anyway. Let's ride.

[Spanky99]

8 righties and a guy who is going to bunt anyway. Let's ride.

 

I think the Sheriff needs to make a GDT.

[jaysblue]

Thinking of 2006-2010 I'm reminded how Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, Aaron Hill, and Adam Lind would routinely have good seasons of 5 WAR or so then follow with a 0 WAR the next year. Like hit .300 with 30 homers, than .240 with 14 homers. THEY ALL f***ING DID IT.

 

The modern equivalent is Vladimir Guerrero Jr. going from .310 with 48 homers to .260 with 20...

 

f*** THIS ORGANIZATION and their inability to have a star perform consistently year to year. Buy a f***ing Jersey in August, by the next August the guy has collapsed to nothing.

 

f*** YOU SHAPIRO and those who came before you.. all the fans want (well in addition to winning) is home grown stars to cheer for and watch develop, not watch collapse to 0.

 

f*** THIS ORGANIZATION. IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS for the last 30 years.

 

THE ONLY f***ING DIFFERENCE IS MORE PLAYOFF SPOTS. The last time it was competent was 1993. Since then the same f***ing s*** over and over and over.

 

The 1997-2001 iteration was also decent and would look way better with a little luck and a little more wild cards and a little less Boston and NY being dynamite.

 

Shapiro era is no difference than Gord Ash, Ricciardi, The Beast and AA... all the same s***, year after year.

 

SINCE 1993 there was never been a year where the Jays were solid wire to wire. Never been a fun non-stressful year. Even 2015 they were s*** to 100 games then a miracle run.

 

Yeah the J.P. Ricciardi years don't get enough love on here. He put together some very good teams in years where the Red Sox and Yankees were powerhouses and dominated the AL East. No balanced schedule like now. The Jays didn't have a really crazy payroll and no extra WC spots. The Jays from 2005-2008 were likeable and a fun team to watch. JPR doesn't deserve the hate he gets on here.

 

The Jays under Atkins could possibly miss the Postseason in 2 of 3 years where they should be in contention and haven't even won a Postseason game. This is with a balanced schedule and extra WC spots. Yet Atkins still gets praised on here by some, but AA and JPR were awful GMs who aren't on the same level as Atkins.

 

Put those Jays teams in another division, they likely make the Postseason in a couple of those seasons during the JPR regime.

[jaysblue]

10-7 to get to 90 wins

 

13-4 to get to 93 wins

 

I don't think 90 wins is a lock by any stretch

 

vs Tex (Montgomery)

vs Tex (Eovaldi)

vs Bos (Bello)

vs Bos (Sale)

vs Bos (Pivetta)

@NYY (Schmidt)

@NYY (King)

@NYY (Cole)

@TBR (Glasnow)

@TBR (Littell)

@TBR (Bradley)

 

then 3 more each vs the Yanks and Rays

 

Probably Cole, King and Glasnow twice in the last 12 games

 

And the offense is looking like the Cleveland Indians

 

Wasn't this supposed to be the easy part of the schedule?

 

They barely beat some of the awful teams like Oakland, Colorado and Kansas City. A lot of those games were close and could have went the other way.

 

Just have to take one game at a time and hope they keep in it. Have to win these next two games against the Rangers.

[Jays24]

The attendance for the teams biggest games of the year are a true reflection of what the average person thinks of this team. A truly uninspiring bunch of guys that are reflective of our management.

[jaysblue]

Yeah attendance the past two games was shocking. Think people might be tapped out from the summer and a lot of people back at school now as well. Weekends should be solid regardless this month.

 

The cost of going down to a game now given the rising cost of living is likely also a factor. You need to pay for public transit if you're coming from outside of the downtown core or pay for parking. As well, the prices of tickets have increased under Shapiro. You were able to get infield seats for $50-$60 and now you're lucky if they get you seats down the foul lines in the 200 level. Also, the prices for concessions and expensive $18 beers. You're better off watching the game from the comfort of your own home. Imagine paying close to $3000 a month in rent, along with other expenses. Can't spend that money to go down to a Jays game or any sporting event. Have to think twice.

[Terminator]

I think the Sheriff needs to make a GDT.

 

You got it sir.

[BCZ]

I know we're tied for WC-3 but why does it feel like our chances of makin the playoffs are few and far between at this point? =/

[BCZ]

Also Bo is overrated... he's good but I'm not sure he's even a top 25 hitter in baseball.

[Omar]

No, I wanna see a board meltdown if the playoff chances drop to 30% or whatever. Even better the guys who come in and cheer for the team to lose and miss the playoffs with the rationale being THAT is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and some magical organizational house-cleaning reset take place (haha, what a bunch of rubes who think like this).

 

Gold Jerry! Gold!

[Spanky99]

[Olerud363]

I know we're tied for WC-3 but why does it feel like our chances of makin the playoffs are few and far between at this point? =/

 

Because this iteration of the Jays going back to 2020 has played terrible in the most important games of the year, 2020 Wild Card, 2021 the last 3 games against the Yankees, 2022 Wild Card.

 

Combined with playing terrible against the AL East all year it's hard to envision this team winning many big games the next two weeks. Not to say it can't happen. All this is really small sample size.

 

There is also the impression there is just something fundamentally wrong with the team. Saw some comparison's of Seager and Julio-Rodriquez vs. Guerreros.

 

Healthy superstar doing super-star things, vs. an obese basket case with mechanical problems that likely can't be fixed until the offseason. Kirk and Varsho in the same boat kindof. So hard to envision the team performing in a tough 2 week stretch when 3 players need an offseason of mental reset, nutrition, and swing reworks.

[wilko]

Yeah attendance the past two games was shocking. Think people might be tapped out from the summer and a lot of people back at school now as well. Weekends should be solid regardless this month.

 

The cost of going down to a game now given the rising cost of living is likely also a factor. You need to pay for public transit if you're coming from outside of the downtown core or pay for parking. As well, the prices of tickets have increased under Shapiro. You were able to get infield seats for $50-$60 and now you're lucky if they get you seats down the foul lines in the 200 level. Also, the prices for concessions and expensive $18 beers. You're better off watching the game from the comfort of your own home. Imagine paying close to $3000 a month in rent, along with other expenses. Can't spend that money to go down to a Jays game or any sporting event. Have to think twice.

 

I don't understand how most regular people can go to a game. If you're a 9-5 jobber in Toronto, how do you do it? Take half a day off? Do businesses allow people to duck out early for a Jays game? It must be mostly retired/slush fund yuppie kids, and people coming from out of province for a visit.

[Omar]

I don't understand how most regular people can go to a game. If you're a 9-5 jobber in Toronto, how do you do it? Take half a day off? Do businesses allow people to duck out early for Jays game? It must be mostly retired/slush fund yuppie kids, and people coming from out of province for a visit.

 

I much preferred the old 7:35pm starts. Much easier to make it after work.

[Buster]

 

Manoah is a headcase. The management is also really stupid.

[Spanky99]

Manoah is a headcase. The management is also really stupid.

 

Yeah, Hayes made a good point on that, they didn't handle it well.