General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Brownie19]

I have a very important question. Is Kevin Kiermaier the best looking Blue Jay of all time?

[L54]

I have a very important question. Is Kevin Kiermaier the best looking Blue Jay of all time?

 

Probably. Jose Cruz Jr was a stud too from what I remember

[Omar]

I have a very important question. Is Kevin Kiermaier the best looking Blue Jay of all time?

 

[L54]

 

True

[Brownie19]

meh - he's no KK

[Dick_Pole]

Goose, Bassitt, and Berrios are all top 20 in IP this year

 

Isolated decisions aside I don't really think these guys are being babied or yanked too early on a regular basis...

 

They are top 20 because they are competent and consistent performers. Not because the Jays have been pulling them at the right time. 10-15 innings extra for each of them this year likely results in the Jays being a few games ahead of where they are now. If they are competent and consistent through 6 innings, they should be given a chance to be competent and consistent through 7.

[The Cats Ass]

They are top 20 because they are competent and consistent performers. Not because the Jays have been pulling them at the right time. 10-15 innings extra for each of them this year likely results in the Jays being a few games ahead of where they are now. If they are competent and consistent through 6 innings, they should be given a chance to be competent and consistent through 7.

 

Do you know what a pitch count is? Because it sounds like you want them to be throwing 125+ each game.

[Laika]

Man, I dunno. I think this just comes from wanting to complain about something.

 

It's hard to think of any/many games where Bassitt or Berrios may have been pulled too early. Most of the time they are nearing or over 100 pitches and they are not the type of guys you want to chance it with.

[hanton]

Some interestin stats on Innings Pitched / Games Started

 

Jays are tied with the Nats with the lowest IP/GS at 5.2

 

overall in the league

Gausman #11 6.1

Berrios #17 5.9

Bassitt #30 5.8

[Laika]

Some interestin stats on Innings Pitched / Games Started

 

Jays are tied with the Nats with the lowest IP/GS at 5.2

 

overall in the league

Gausman #11 6.1

Berrios #17 5.9

Bassitt #30 5.8

 

yeah but that's just Manoah nuking that. And Kikuchi, sort of.

[hanton]

yeah but that's just Manoah nuking that. And Kikuchi, sort of.

 

True, still relevant just not totally on Schneider having a quick hook

[Orgfiller]

yeah but that's just Manoah nuking that. And Kikuchi, sort of.

 

It's definitely because of Manoah, Kikuchi, and Manoah's replacement conglomerate. The top 3 are all innings eating workhorses. The only one who routinely gets pulled "too early" is probably Kikuchi and he's always one hitter away from a complete meltdown so it's pretty justified.

[keggy]

All of the flaws of this team feed into each other. The bullpen is short one elite setup guy. Obsessing over third time through the order fries the setup guys that we do have. And the biggest problem is the offense not scoring enough runs to give the leverage guys a break.

 

Our individual hitters are decent but we don't have a lot of power. We need to score playing small ball but we constantly run into outs and GIDPs. Our hitters can't even execute basic things like advancing runners from 2nd.

 

Our top priority should be acquiring a legitimate lefty masher and praying the rest of the offense wakes up.

[Stangstag]

yeah but that's just Manoah nuking that. And Kikuchi, sort of.

 

Also the handful of Richards starts

[hanton]

Also the handful of Richards starts

 

Every team uses spot starters at one point or another

[hanton]

It's definitely because of Manoah, Kikuchi, and Manoah's replacement conglomerate. The top 3 are all innings eating workhorses. The only one who routinely gets pulled "too early" is probably Kikuchi and he's always one hitter away from a complete meltdown so it's pretty justified.

 

Even if he's not melting still gets pulled

[Terminator]

Everyone hates Espinal right now which is expected after last night's brain fart cost us the game.

 

But I've seen a lot of calls to option or even DFA him.

 

But did you know that after starting off the season 2 for 31 he's been slashing .278/.355/.370 since April 17th? That's not terrible for a guy who can play 2B, 3B and SS.

[Omar]

Everyone hates Espinal right now which is expected after last night's brain fart cost us the game.

 

But I've seen a lot of calls to option or even DFA him.

 

But did you know that after starting off the season 2 for 31 he's been slashing .278/.355/.370 since April 17th? That's not terrible for a guy who can play 2B, 3B and SS.

 

We prefer players who make zero errors a season. Anything less is unacceptable for this board.

[Spanky99]

Everyone hates Espinal right now which is expected after last night's brain fart cost us the game.

 

But I've seen a lot of calls to option or even DFA him.

 

But did you know that after starting off the season 2 for 31 he's been slashing .278/.355/.370 since April 17th? That's not terrible for a guy who can play 2B, 3B and SS.

 

He and Craig's son have been fine since May 15th, for sure. Jays have the 6th best 2B wRC+ since at 116

[RobinThicc]

He and Craig's son have been fine since May 15th, for sure. Jays have the 6th best 2B wRC+ since at 116

What about since may 7th?

[L54]

Going to be tough to pull Kooch from the rotation in favour of Ryu or Manoah

[Spanky99]

Going to be tough to pull Kooch from the rotation in favour of Ryu or Manoah

 

I feel they'll go with a 6 man rotation, after tomorrows off day they play 17 straight.

[Omar]

If Ryu comes back and is full value 2020 Ryu and Manoah is just meh, does Manoah stay in the rotation?

 

If Ryu comes back and shits the bed, while Manoah concurrently shits the bed, what's the plan? Does Atkins pull the trigger on a #4/5 at the deadline? What other choice would he have?

 

Best case scenario, both Manoah and Ryu pitch well and we run with a six man rotation.

[G-Snarls]

If Ryu comes back and is full value 2020 Ryu and Manoah is just meh, does Manoah stay in the rotation?

 

If Ryu comes back and shits the bed, while Manoah concurrently shits the bed, what's the plan? Does Atkins pull the trigger on a #4/5 at the deadline? What other choice would he have?

 

Best case scenario, both Manoah and Ryu pitch well and we run with a six man rotation.

 

Manoah spends the rest of the year in Buffalo if he suxx

 

They trade for a starter if they both suck , though they don't have many starts to decide

 

If they're both good you run 6 guys for now

but not sure either makes the WC roster (unless one is somehow better than Gausman Berrios Bassitt or one of those guys gets hurt)

[Spanky99]

Manoah spends the rest of the year in Buffalo if he suxx

 

They trade for a starter if they both suck , though they don't have many starts to decide

 

If they're both good you run 6 guys for now

but not sure either makes the WC roster (unless one is somehow better than Gausman Berrios Bassitt or one of those guys gets hurt)

 

The deadline is in 5 days, Ryu won't even get a start, Alek will.

[G-Snarls]

The deadline is in 5 days, Ryu won't even get a start, Alek will.

 

Ah s***

 

We'll they're rollimg the dice. Probably gamble that one of them will be OK as a back end starter.

 

I think they trade for a bat and not a starter

[WryNGinger]

4th highest pitch count in his career for Kikuchi tonight. Solidly into the #4 spot in the rotation for now. Good for him.

[Laika]

Kikuchi saving the season

[hanton]

Manoah and Ryu can fight it out for the final spot in the rotation, tbh how much can we really expect from Ryu anyway

[Spanky99]

Kikuchi saving the season

 

lol... shaddup!!!