General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[G-Snarls]

f***ing awful decision. One start in New Hampshire and they declared him fixed lol

 

Seems insane

 

I mean I'll be thrilled if it works out but I really have a hard time believing that was enough time to accomplish much

[bones10]

How is the panic narrative dumb? If Atkins had developed a single SP outside of Manoah we wouldnt be in this situation.

 

Manoah has spent what most people believe is the minimum amount of time he probably should have spent in the minors.

 

We don't have a farm system with enough pieces to make a huge trade for a SP.

 

We dont have a SP currently in the farm to replace Manoah. We cant sustain bullpen days.

 

Were not in the running for the division and barely keeping pace with the 3rd wildcard spot. Atkins is no doubt feeling the heat.

 

So call up Manoah sooner than he probably should be called up. Thats called panicking bro.

 

Lol cause if Manoah imploded again he’s definitely losing his job. Why would he put himself in that position during a weak part of the schedule when the team should win or even sweep the next two series even with how bad they played in the Boston series.

[Jays333]

Lol cause if Manoah imploded again he’s definitely losing his job. Why would he put himself in that position during a weak part of the schedule when the team should win or even sweep the next two series even with how bad they played in the Boston series.

 

Im not sure its necessarily his decision. I mean he could probably say no but being a young ultra competitive athlete like he is, would he ever say no? Even if he knew it wasn't his best option. Im not sure. Either way this is on Atkins.

[JFD]

Lets go fatty!

[JFD]

Wake up you fckn pussies!

[Spanky99]

[G-Snarls]

As much as I actually want a villa in Bali I banned 4 accounts and deleted 4 spam threads just now

[Dick_Pole]

Based on the reaction of this board I expect Manoah to throw a perfect game with 15 Ks.

[jaysblue]

 

Manoah back up.

 

Doesn't make any sense.

[jaysblue]

If Manoah really struggles the front office isn't saving face by keeping him on the roster, they would be actively costing the team a chance to win the games he's starting in. They would take infinitely more heat rostering an ineffective starter that wasn't ready to come back then they would if they reverse course and send him back down.

 

Yup and imagine if the Jays miss the Wildcard by a game or two. Definitely would be on the FO.

[Omar]

Most thought the earliest Manoah would be up is post the all star break. Since he is coming up earlier it may indicate that some of his problems were between the ears and Jays management might think they have fixed that. He may surprise us all and be competent. They’re not expecting an elite arm just competence. Perhaps he’s ready.

[jaysblue]

Detroit shouldn't be too tough of an opponent on paper but yeah if he gets lit up or is erratic against them, doesn't look good.

 

Hope he can give the Jays at least 5 innings, 3 earned runs or less with a 2:1 K/BB ratio at least.

[Jonn]

5 or 6 innings with show of improved command. And less than 4 runs is my only expectation. If he gets shelled or starts walking the ballpark and gets pulled early its a failure on the organization.

[Spanky99]

5 or 6 innings with show of improved command. And less than 4 runs is my only expectation. If he gets shelled or starts walking the ballpark and gets pulled early its a failure on the organization.

 

That's fair.

[G-Snarls]

ICYMI

 

Belt on the All Star game and the fact that he isn't in it but Ohtani somehow is

 

[Spanky99]

ICYMI

 

Belt on the All Star game and the fact that he isn't in it but Ohtani somehow is

 

 

He's joking man, lmao.

[Spanky99]

Legend to be...

 

[G-Snarls]

He's joking man, lmao.

 

Dude, I know. It's funny.

[TheHurl]

The one narrative I don't understand from the fans on the Manoah call up is that this is somehow bad for him and his development. I get that if he loses it is bad for the team, but how does pitching bad again in the majors (i assume those who are saying this is going to hurt him believe he will be bad...I also believe he will be not good) hurt him long-term? Or even short-term.

[connorp]

The one narrative I don't understand from the fans on the Manoah call up is that this is somehow bad for him and his development. I get that if he loses it is bad for the team, but how does pitching bad again in the majors (i assume those who are saying this is going to hurt him believe he will be bad...I also believe he will be not good) hurt him long-term? Or even short-term.

 

Even if you don’t agree to the alternative viewpoint, it’s pretty easy to understand it. I thought you’re smart?

 

The thinking would be that he didn’t have time to find his slider again, didn’t truly have time to break down his mechanics/work on grips/location etc..

 

So if he gets smacked around, it would mean wasted time for his development, in addition to hurting the mlb team

[Laika]

The one narrative I don't understand from the fans on the Manoah call up is that this is somehow bad for him and his development. I get that if he loses it is bad for the team, but how does pitching bad again in the majors (i assume those who are saying this is going to hurt him believe he will be bad...I also believe he will be not good) hurt him long-term? Or even short-term.

 

just skepticism that he had enough time in the minors to actually figure anything out

[TheHurl]

just skepticism that he had enough time in the minors to actually figure anything out

 

I understand the skepticism. And a lot of it is the lack of understanding what the actual issue was (mental, physical, mechanical or little of it all). But from a mental conditioning side of things, it really doesn't matter where he is getting that help. Same with physical. Mechanically he had more time than most rehab stints, only with less in-game time. I do think this is a panic move as the Jays need to see what they have before the deadline. If he can pitch like an average number 5, it won't please the fans, but I think it will get the F.O. off the phones. Still nothing screams "we are Ricky Romero'ing him" to me.

[Laika]

I understand the skepticism. And a lot of it is the lack of understanding what the actual issue was (mental, physical, mechanical or little of it all). But from a mental conditioning side of things, it really doesn't matter where he is getting that help. Same with physical. Mechanically he had more time than most rehab stints, only with less in-game time. I do think this is a panic move as the Jays need to see what they have before the deadline. If he can pitch like an average number 5, it won't please the fans, but I think it will get the F.O. off the phones. Still nothing screams "we are Ricky Romero'ing him" to me.

 

Yeah I'm hoping it's just evident during his start that he fixed something. Maybe we see a slightly better slider or better velo or more consistent location.

 

Of course the front office knows more than us.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Let's say Manoah actually regains his 21/22 form.

Then Ryu comes back and is actually....good.

 

Do you run with a 6 man rotation or do you put Kikuchi in the pen like last year, let him dominate again?

 

Imagine if all that happened PLUS Green came back and was his usual effective self.

 

Could go on a run in the second half.

[Laika]

Let's say Manoah actually regains his 21/22 form.

Then Ryu comes back and is actually....good.

 

Do you run with a 6 man rotation or do you put Kikuchi in the pen like last year, let him dominate again?

 

Imagine if all that happened PLUS Green came back and was his usual effective self.

 

Could go on a run in the second half.

 

sir, don't let your mind wander like this

 

it is not healthy

[wilko]

Let's say Manoah actually regains his 21/22 form.

Then Ryu comes back and is actually....good.

 

Do you run with a 6 man rotation or do you put Kikuchi in the pen like last year, let him dominate again?

 

Imagine if all that happened PLUS Green came back and was his usual effective self.

 

Could go on a run in the second half.

 

Hypothetically I would consider a 6 man. Some of these guys are no spring chickens.

[Omar]

Let's say Manoah actually regains his 21/22 form.

Then Ryu comes back and is actually....good.

 

Do you run with a 6 man rotation or do you put Kikuchi in the pen like last year, let him dominate again?

Imagine if all that happened PLUS Green came back and was his usual effective self.

Could go on a run in the second half.

 

sir, don't let your mind wander like this

 

it is not healthy

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

sir, don't let your mind wander like this

 

it is not healthy

 

lol

[Carlos Danger]

What does a good start tomorrow even tell us if the assessment is results oriented? He is pitching against Detroit... So he does well and then goes and get bombed by the next team he faces..? If it is mental, physical, mechanics, maybe it will tell us something, but I assume they could have assessed that in the minors...

 

Basically, I am worried about a false positive.

[John_Havok]

What does a good start tomorrow even tell us if the assessment is results oriented? He is pitching against Detroit... So he does well and then goes and get bombed by the next team he faces..? If it is mental, physical, mechanics, maybe it will tell us something, but I assume they could have assessed that in the minors...

 

Basically, I am worried about a false positive.

 

Results are one thing, but I’ll be looking at how the results happen. If he’s constantly losing his 4 seamer up and away and still not location the slider in the zone when he wants to…and still throwing brutal changeups and he’s still walking the planet, then it’s a waste even if he ends up not letting in very many runs.

 

You can bet the Tigers will be taking a lot of pitches.