Worst loss on team history?

[RobinThicc]

I cant get over how insane of a choke job this was.

[jaysblue]

Bullpen needs a serious overhaul.

 

Nah they traded for Zach Pop and Anthony Bass at the trade deadline, this bullpen even got better!

[jaysblue]

These two games have been, without question, the worst performances in franchise history. Mistakes in all aspects of the game. No focus, no preparation, and no compete level. I was ashamed to even be wearing my jersey by the end of the game. It will be the last time I waste money on tickets for a while.

 

I've been a big proponent of being patient over the past few years but BIG changes have to come this offseason. Players who don't care about winning, and there are clearly a lot of them, have to be moved out in favour of guys who are fully committed to winning.

 

It may not be cheap or popular, but we will never achieve success with this group. I've never witnessed a team in any sport put on a performance as bad as I saw the last 2 nights. It was disgusting.

 

Yeah something is fundamentally wrong with this team. Some changes do need to be made this offseason.

[Stangstag]

So Raimel Tapia is the worst Blue Jay ever all things considered correct?

 

There have been worse players by talent but cmon. Consider the context and plays. Horrendous result, bad player

 

I love how we all hated the trade from the get go and knew he’d be getting way too much playtime. He was playing wayyy to much over the last couple weeks. Cost us huge today.

[WryNGinger]

One of my favourite interview questions as a manager for sales teams is "what statement resonates more with you?" I love winning or I hate losing. This team does not hate losing. It loves winning but it doesn't HATE losing. Maybe this result changes some things for them but they have a lot to prove until they learn to have more fire in their bellies.

[Carlos Danger]

'87 worse

 

That was over a number of days as mentioned and the deciding game was a one run loss or very close game I believe.

 

Today, was a bigger loss in context then any that I can recall and I have been watching since the 80’s.

[Laika]

I love how we all hated the trade from the get go and knew he’d be getting way too much playtime. He was playing wayyy to much over the last couple weeks. Cost us huge today.

 

They even teased Moreno in LF that last game and then just didn’t do it

[Laika]

I swear to god I would kick Raimel Tapia in the nuts if I ran into him in person right now

 

How did he not just make that catch

 

Why did he act hurt when he wasn’t hurt

 

Why did he not even try to catch that lazy pop fly down the line

 

 

Legit, if Zimmer is on the roster and he replaces Merrifield the game ends like 9-6

[Laika]

From the moment Tim Mayza entered the game he had perhaps the worst body language I’ve even seen from a pitcher. Like his dog just died. Sulking on the mount. Emo. Asking for misery.

[Laika]

8-1

 

They could have literally brought Kikuchi in and said finish the game kid and they would have almost certainly won it

[jaysblue]

Legit, if Zimmer is on the roster and he replaces Merrifield the game ends like 9-6

 

Agree 100%

[travisinfla]

because it never really felt this year that we were the best team

[BCZ]

Tapia making the final out on the Jays season was almost a poetic way to end 2022. I just wish he would have reached 500 plate appearances during the regular season. The Jays certainly tried to get him there.

 

hear! hear!

[BCZ]

One of my favourite interview questions as a manager for sales teams is "what statement resonates more with you?" I love winning or I hate losing. This team does not hate losing. It loves winning but it doesn't HATE losing. Maybe this result changes some things for them but they have a lot to prove until they learn to have more fire in their bellies.

 

What did I just read herp derp

[BCZ]

Worst part of it all (nobody wants to admin it) is the Jays didn't really make any obvious mistakes... the Mariners just got lucky AF.

[Captain Adama]

These two games have been, without question, the worst performances in franchise history. Mistakes in all aspects of the game. No focus, no preparation, and no compete level. I was ashamed to even be wearing my jersey by the end of the game. It will be the last time I waste money on tickets for a while.

 

I've been a big proponent of being patient over the past few years but BIG changes have to come this offseason. Players who don't care about winning, and there are clearly a lot of them, have to be moved out in favour of guys who are fully committed to winning.

 

It may not be cheap or popular, but we will never achieve success with this group. I've never witnessed a team in any sport put on a performance as bad as I saw the last 2 nights. It was disgusting.

 

Disclaimer I'm drunk as fukc right now

 

 

Dude, shut the f*** up, your pretentious ass makes s*** excuses for every f***uing thing that happoens and i'm goddamn sick of it.

 

Bro just log off and stick with artificially inseminating cockroaches or some s***

[BTS]

So Raimel Tapia is the worst Blue Jay ever all things considered correct?

 

There have been worse players by talent but cmon. Consider the context and plays. Horrendous result, bad player

 

I still can't believe how much playing time he got this year. 433 PA in the regular season and 6 in two playoff games. Weird move from an org that mostly has been serious about winning.

[Solaxys]

Worst loss in a playoff game in MLB since 1929. Setting the standards.

[Olerud363]

Disclaimer I'm drunk as fukc right now

 

 

Dude, shut the f*** up, your pretentious ass makes s*** excuses for every f***uing thing that happoens and i'm goddamn sick of it.

 

Bro just log off and stick with artificially inseminating cockroaches or some s***

 

lol. I've obviously had my run-ins with the guy, but since he spent the last couple of weeks dissing Seattle he can't mentally accept they are a decent ball club on par with the Jays. So he has to exaggerate how bad the Jays are to reconcile things.

 

Castilla is pretty good. Bass may not be. The catcher Raleigh has power. Santana can still get big extra base hits (as we saw in July and today). Frazier isn't a .230 hitter. Their starting depth came in handy when they made Kirby a closer in a 1 run game.

 

This f***ing sucks. Worse loss ever as the thread title says. But are they a unfixable flawed Jays team ever that won't know how to win? Probably a 9-5 win with one more swing and miss reliever.

[BTS]

To address the question:

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?date=10/8/2022&gamePk=715766&chartType=pitch&legendType=pitchName&playerType=pitcher&inning=&count=&pitchHand=&batSide=&descFilter=&ptFilter=&resultFilter=&hf=winProbability#715766

 

The team had a 99.1% win probability in the 5th inning. How many teams have been eliminated from the playoffs in games in which they had a win probability above 99%? This is one of the worst losses in the history of baseball.

[Stangstag]

To address the question:

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?date=10/8/2022&gamePk=715766&chartType=pitch&legendType=pitchName&playerType=pitcher&inning=&count=&pitchHand=&batSide=&descFilter=&ptFilter=&resultFilter=&hf=winProbability#715766

 

The team had a 99.1% win probability in the 5th inning. How many teams have been eliminated from the playoffs in games in which they had a win probability above 99%? This is one of the worst losses in the history of baseball.

 

One of the worst losses SO FAR. Just wait til 2023 baby

[Steeljays]

Worst part of it all (nobody wants to admin it) is the Jays didn't really make any obvious mistakes... the Mariners just got lucky AF.

 

But the manager made a few

[Solaxys]

I just want someone to ask Schneider: why Mayza-Santana matchup (who thought that was a good idea) and why the lack of aggressive defensive substitutions when up by 7?

[Stangstag]

I just want someone to ask Schneider: why Mayza-Santana matchup (who thought that was a good idea) and why the lack of aggressive defensive substitutions when up by 7?

 

I want someone to actually hit him with the numbers. Ask him why he went with a lefty when his numbers are far better vs L. Ask follow up questions to the BS answers.

 

Im sick of the media being so nice and easy on the players/managers. Call out the BS

[Terminator]

I just got back to my hotel after attending the game. Not even really sure what to say but I think it would be therapeutic to at least share something.

 

1. Atkins traded for Bass at the deadline and the Mariners traded for Luis Castillo. Gabriel Moreno didn't log any playing time during the series while Jansen and Kirk, two talented Catchers in their prime, both played well.

 

2. Schneider rode Mayza like he was Munoz or something. Puzzling decision to turn Santana around like that. At this point in his career he's basically a platoon bat that should only face lefties. It put them right back in the game.

 

3. A lot of this was just dumb luck by the Mariners as their bloop hits fell but I feel like the Jays OFers could have caught some of them and they didn't. Both Tapia and Springer had a shot on some flyballs and they both failed. JBJ rode pine up until the point the game was tied at which point we needed his bat. He should have went into the game for Merrifield. If he does we probably win. Another odd choice by Schneider.

 

4. I'm blaming Schneider a lot and it's mostly the fault of the relievers (even Romano who let Adam Frazier and his .311 SLG line a double off him) but he did make some bad decisions and his post game comments were infuriating. He looks more no-nonsense than Montoyo but it's barely the case. He's another laid back player's manager. I think we should pay for a veteran manager with playoff experience. We have a talented core but we keep pissing away our chances.

 

5. I'm not really sure what the team sees in Tapia. He logged a ton of playing time this year and continued to do so in the playoffs. As much as they play him it seems like offering him arb is a possibility but I really hope they don't. He's a jack of no trades who does everything below average which makes him a terrible bench player.

[King]

I just want someone to ask Schneider: why Mayza-Santana matchup (who thought that was a good idea) and why the lack of aggressive defensive substitutions when up by 7?

 

Schneider said in the post-game that they were comfortable facing Santana as a RHH and Mayza is tough to get a homer off of

[Solaxys]

Schneider said in the post-game that they were comfortable facing Santana as a RHH and Mayza is tough to get a homer off of

 

but like no stats shows that... Santana is better RHH against LHP than LHH against RHP, and in his 49 IP, Mayza has a 25.9% HR/FB rate.

 

What even, what the f***

 

like Mayza didn't even make a bad pitch but Santana read it all the way.

[Stangstag]

Worst part of it all (nobody wants to admin it) is the Jays didn't really make any obvious mistakes... the Mariners just got lucky AF.

 

Really bad pitching from the bullpen all around though. And bad decisions by Schneider. But yeah they played fairly clean ball other than that Springer/Bo collision. Scored 9 runs. Weren’t swinging at junk (maybe George was). Even at the end against Kirby they looked good/comfortable.

 

99% win probability in the 5th.

 

Mariners just have that magic this year.

[Stangstag]

Schneider said in the post-game that they were comfortable facing Santana as a RHH and Mayza is tough to get a homer off of

 

Oh yes its been so long since Mayza gave up a homer. Can’t remember the last time he did. It would probably be hard to even find a video of Mayza giving up a homerun to a righty.

[Stangstag]

I just got back to my hotel after attending the game. Not even really sure what to say but I think it would be therapeutic to at least share something.

 

1. Atkins traded for Bass at the deadline and the Mariners traded for Luis Castillo. Gabriel Moreno didn't log any playing time during the series while Jansen and Kirk, two talented Catchers in their prime, both played well.

 

2. Schneider rode Mayza like he was Munoz or something. Puzzling decision to turn Santana around like that. At this point in his career he's basically a platoon bat that should only face lefties. It put them right back in the game.

 

3. A lot of this was just dumb luck by the Mariners as their bloop hits fell but I feel like the Jays OFers could have caught some of them and they didn't. Both Tapia and Springer had a shot on some flyballs and they both failed. JBJ rode pine up until the point the game was tied at which point we needed his bat. He should have went into the game for Merrifield. If he does we probably win. Another odd choice by Schneider.

 

4. I'm blaming Schneider a lot and it's mostly the fault of the relievers (even Romano who let Adam Frazier and his .311 SLG line a double off him) but he did make some bad decisions and his post game comments were infuriating. He looks more no-nonsense than Montoyo but it's barely the case. He's another laid back player's manager. I think we should pay for a veteran manager with playoff experience. We have a talented core but we keep pissing away our chances.

 

5. I'm not really sure what the team sees in Tapia. He logged a ton of playing time this year and continued to do so in the playoffs. As much as they play him it seems like offering him arb is a possibility but I really hope they don't. He's a jack of no trades who does everything below average which makes him a terrible bench player.

 

I feel you bro. Agree with everything you said here. I went to both games and I feel dead inside. At least today was exciting for 5-6 innings. Yesterday was a f***ing snoozer.

 

I feel like I wasted so much time watching this team, attending games, spending money on merch, etc. Definitely gonna cut back next year.