Rate Blue Jays Trade Deadline

[JFD]

F until proven otherwise

[Brownie19]

C

 

The trade deadline did not happen in a vacuum. All our competition got much better compared to us. Not satisfied with making the playoffs and going out round one. Hope, we get hot is not a good strategy.

 

Bass is good for 7th inning or below... Pop, I like very much but not ready yet to assume late inning roles.. Not a high K guy..

 

I feel if Romano gets hurt or starts sucking, we have no bonafide closer.. I was hoping to have closers coming in from the 7th on and set up types 5th inning on..

 

First question out of the mouths of MLB.TV commentators and former GMs when we did the White trade was; What to the Dodgers know that the Jays don't...? In other words, why would the Dodgers give up a young controllable rotation piece and for the return.... What is the catch?? When dealing with the Dodgers I always say the same thing...

 

The same thing was said when we traded for Stripling...

 

The Dodgers are so deep that they are constantly managing their 40 man roster and these are the types of trades they have to make to do so. Apparently White was vocally pissed that he keeps getting sent down after pitching well so LA may also have just been sick of his bitching. Who knows.

[L54]

12 hrs ago, I would have said hell no.. But then I just saw the Padres trade Hosmer to the Nationals without asking if he would waive his no-trade clause.. So... you never know... Ross might have been in a time crunch.. LOL...

 

I think Ross getting in a time crunch is how the Dodgers got Frasso for White

[L54]

The same thing was said when we traded for Stripling...

 

The Dodgers are so deep that they are constantly managing their 40 man roster and these are the types of trades they have to make to do so. Apparently White was vocally pissed that he keeps getting sent down after pitching well so LA may also have just been sick of his bitching. Who knows.

 

Exactly. They have like 5 guys who most teams would’ve given a look by now just waiting to enter the rotation. Move on from White if you think he’s maxed out and move him for another project. Rinse and repeat.

[Stangstag]

C.

 

Not good enough relative to what New York and Houston did. Needed a legit starter, got Stripling lite. Needed a left handed bat, got... Unvaccinated Whit Merrifield.

 

Massive fail and feels like they aren't trying to win, they're just trying to get to the playoffs.

 

Since when is a C grade a fail

[jaysblue]

I gave them an F.

 

There is a realistic chance that Castillo is just better than White in the exact same role and they traded Castillo for a Bradley Zimmer replacement in an 80 wRC+ anti-vax idiot bench bat and then used one of their best prospects to get White.

 

Realistically, Castillo to White is a lateral-ish move. Worst case scenario, they gave up a better, younger, more controllable swingman right after acquiring White.

 

Atkins spoke all season about how the bullpen was lacking swing and miss and it would be a priority for them to remedy that. His big move was getting Zach Pop, a guy with a 6.30 K/9, and Anthony Bass, who, while he's having an excellent season, has an xERA double his real ERA.

 

He sent out Castillo, who strikes more guys out than White, the guy he brought in.

 

This was the busiest and wildest trade deadline ever and the Blue Jays big acquisition was Anthony Bass.

 

The fact that Atkins said he wanted to add swing and miss all season and then didn't do that means he failed at the deadline. Failing gets an F.

 

Why is he an anti-vax idiot?

[Jays24]

Answer honestly

 

Do you think the Toronto Blue Jays traded for Merrifield without knowing whether or not be was able to play home games?

 

That's the part of his statement that made no sense. Like obviously you wouldn't trade for someone who won't get vaccinated so why say that at all lol.

[Stangstag]

Answer honestly

 

Do you think the Toronto Blue Jays traded for Merrifield without knowing whether or not be was able to play home games?

 

The other question is… will Merrifield forfeit half of his salary rather than get vaxxed? Because if he doesn’t, he’ll have to either stay in US or Canada and only play when the team is on the road/home.

 

That is potentially a lot of money for a guy that hasn’t made a huge amount of cash in his career.

[Terminator]

Pros:

-Mitch White looks like a legit backend starter.

-Anthony Bass isn't a sexy pickup because he doesn't throw hard and he's old but he was one of the best relievers moved this year.

-Pop has good potential he just needs to gain slider command. Even if he doesn't he's still very serviceable.

-Merrifield is a very underrated pickup. He was a 3 WAR player last year and outside of a horrid April he's basically been that same guy. Good projections and the dude NEVER gets hurt. Picking up a durable and versatile 2-3 WAR player like this is a great move.

-All 4 of these guys are under control and cheap for next year or beyond. The 2023 Blue Jays are just as good from this deadline as the 2022 Blue Jays are.

-Alex De Jesus is an actual prospect at a position that we develop pretty well.

-We really didn't give up s***. A slap hitting Former Top 100 prospect that is falling fast, Max Castillo a guy who has had 20 good innings after a mediocre minor league career and a 23 year old A-ball pitcher.

 

Cons:

-We added White over Castillo which is an upgrade to our pitching depth but it's razor thin and we did the bare minimum to address it.

-I would have liked to have seen one more impact player added, probably a starting pitcher, by trading Moreno. I think the problem is that a lot of the impact players were moved by teams that already have young Catchers in place so we just weren't able to lineup. In the offseason perhaps we deal Jansen or Moreno.

Edited August 3, 2022 by Terminator

[L54]

That's the part of his statement that made no sense. Like obviously you wouldn't trade for someone who won't get vaccinated so why say that at all lol.

 

Just showing respect to the guy and letting him answer that question I guess. Probably had a 3 minute call with him

[jaysblue]

B

 

I wouldn't give them an A. For those posters who did, clearly they're being homers.

 

I think the Jays improved nicely without giving up much in terms of prospect capital. I think Bass and Pop were solid additions to the bullpen. Mitch White is a solid No 4/5 starter who is under control and gives the Jays some depth if a starter goes down to injury or if Kikuchi implodes again. I do like Whitt Merrifield. He has been a consistent 3-4 WAR player who I think will benefit from a change of scenery and I think his speed in the Postseason will be a difference maker. Plus he's under control again in 2023 at a very reasonable salary that doesn't break the bank.

 

What keeps me from giving the Blue Jays an A? Well like CarlosDanger said earlier and made a valid point, a lot of the Jays competition did get better and acquired some better pieces. As well, I think we all would have loved to have seen the Blue Jays trade for a real impact guy like a Carlos Rodon to really bolster the rotation in the Postseason. Imagine going into a series with Gausman, Manoah and Rodon + Berrios as a No. 4. I think acquiring a SP like Rodon would have made the Blue Jays a more dangerous team in a short series and given them a better chance against another top team. Lastly, I think another BP arm would have been nice, someone with a high K% and late inning experience. You can never have enough pitching down the stretch and in the Postseason.

 

Though another factor was the vaccine requirements to enter Canada. Maybe guys like Castillo, Rodon, Cobb or other relievers or players couldn't come here and weren't willing to get the vax afterwards which made things a lot tougher for Atkins. So I would give him the benefit of the doubt if that was the case.

Edited August 3, 2022 by jaysblue

[Jonn]

B

 

Massive sellers market. Mahle and Castillo fetched big hauls, relievers were expensive, tough to upgrade offensively on this team. They did what they could without mortgaging the future.

 

What is apparent is the Jays farm is not good right now. It is very top heavy with lots of question marks. Teams like SD, SEA, NYY were able to utilize their farm systems to address their needs aggressively.

 

Wish they would’ve got Iglesias. Maybe he is an anti-vax idiot.

 

He can’t be anti vaxed otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to travel in America as a non citizen.

[Jonn]

I gave them an F.

 

There is a realistic chance that Castillo is just better than White in the exact same role and they traded Castillo for a Bradley Zimmer replacement in an 80 wRC+ anti-vax idiot bench bat and then used one of their best prospects to get White.

 

Realistically, Castillo to White is a lateral-ish move. Worst case scenario, they gave up a better, younger, more controllable swingman right after acquiring White.

 

Atkins spoke all season about how the bullpen was lacking swing and miss and it would be a priority for them to remedy that. His big move was getting Zach Pop, a guy with a 6.30 K/9, and Anthony Bass, who, while he's having an excellent season, has an xERA double his real ERA.

 

He sent out Castillo, who strikes more guys out than White, the guy he brought in.

 

This was the busiest and wildest trade deadline ever and the Blue Jays big acquisition was Anthony Bass.

 

The fact that Atkins said he wanted to add swing and miss all season and then didn't do that means he failed at the deadline. Failing gets an F.

 

This is tough grading lol but I actually didn’t disagree with any of these points lol.

[Carlos Danger]

He can’t be anti vaxed otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to travel in America as a non citizen.

 

You mean travel to the U.S?

 

Who says Igelesias ever left...?

[Jonn]

You mean travel to the U.S?

 

Who says Igelesias ever left...?

 

I don’t know if he can even get on a plane and travel to other cities not vaccinated. I know you can’t here for sure. They recently approved Train travel. But you can’t get on an airplane in Canada unvaccinated.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Passing off Frasso as a "23 year old pitcher in A ball" is f***ing disingenuous to say the least.

 

He's absolutely f***ing destroying HIGH A ball with an elite repertoire and is probably a **** hair away from jumping to AA which would be his 3rd level this season coming off of TJS.

 

I like the acquisition of White for sure, but I am also disappointed in losing a pitching prospect like Frasso.

[Stangstag]

I don’t know if he can even get on a plane and travel to other cities not vaccinated. I know you can’t here for sure. They recently approved Train travel. But you can’t get on an airplane in Canada unvaccinated.

 

I don’t think that’s true. They aren’t checking vax status for flights at all anymore from what i’ve heard. Random spot testing though

[jaysblue]

I don’t know if he can even get on a plane and travel to other cities not vaccinated. I know you can’t here for sure. They recently approved Train travel. But you can’t get on an airplane in Canada unvaccinated.

 

In the United States, they never asked to show proof of vax to fly within the country. It's only to enter the country as a non-citizen since November.

 

As for Canada, they scrapped those stupid rules and now anyone can travel by plane or train. However, non-citizens still need to be vaxxed coming here and unvaxxed Canadian citizens still have to quarantine on return to Canada.

 

Igelesias has a US work visa most likely, so if he didn't leave the country, likely didn't effect him. I think even if he left, he might have been allowed back in but not 100% sure.

[THANOS]

Passing off Frasso as a "23 year old pitcher in A ball" is f***ing disingenuous to say the least.

 

He's absolutely f***ing destroying HIGH A ball with an elite repertoire and is probably a **** hair away from jumping to AA which would be his 3rd level this season coming off of TJS.

 

I like the acquisition of White for sure, but I am also disappointed in losing a pitching prospect like Frasso.

 

Absolutely. It's ******** analysis because he's no longer in our system.

 

I watched 3 or so of his starts this season, and he looked unhittable like he would easily dominate AA right now.

[Carlos Danger]

I don’t know if he can even get on a plane and travel to other cities not vaccinated. I know you can’t here for sure. They recently approved Train travel. But you can’t get on an airplane in Canada unvaccinated.

 

There was never an interstate travel ban for citizens or non-citizens or vaxed or non-vaxed requirement in the U.S for plane, train, anything... There would be a civil war if they tried that s***..

[Terminator]

I gave them an F.

 

There is a realistic chance that Castillo is just better than White in the exact same role and they traded Castillo for a Bradley Zimmer replacement in an 80 wRC+ anti-vax idiot bench bat and then used one of their best prospects to get White.

 

Realistically, Castillo to White is a lateral-ish move. Worst case scenario, they gave up a better, younger, more controllable swingman right after acquiring White.

 

Atkins spoke all season about how the bullpen was lacking swing and miss and it would be a priority for them to remedy that. His big move was getting Zach Pop, a guy with a 6.30 K/9, and Anthony Bass, who, while he's having an excellent season, has an xERA double his real ERA.

 

He sent out Castillo, who strikes more guys out than White, the guy he brought in.

 

This was the busiest and wildest trade deadline ever and the Blue Jays big acquisition was Anthony Bass.

 

The fact that Atkins said he wanted to add swing and miss all season and then didn't do that means he failed at the deadline. Failing gets an F.

 

This is just full of doozies. Every time I read it I find another one.

 

Pros:

-Surprisingly he doesn't whine about losing Groshans.

 

Cons:

-Whit Merrifield is merely a "Bradley Zimmer replacement"

-Claiming that a 23 year old A-ball pitcher was one of our best prospects. Buddy, if a 23 year old isn't dominating A-Ball then he isn't even a prospect. The Yanks just traded 3 Nick Frasso's and got a half season of slap hitting Benitendi.

-Whines about losing said A-ball pitcher while making no mention of Alex De Jesus who ranks higher than Frasso on some prospect lists.

-Uses literally one stat, strikeouts, to evaluate the entire deadline.

-Claims that Max Castillo is a better strikeout pitcher than Mitch White based upon 20 big league innings for Castillo. (No projection system thinks Castillo will K more than White.)

-Doesn't realize that Bass actually is a strikeout pitcher now because he throws his slider more.

-Makes a big deal out of an extra season of control on Castillo over White but makes no mention of every single player we acquired having multiple seasons of control.

-Makes no mention of it being a seller's market

 

For the foregoing reasons, I'm going to have grade this post as an F for displaying such a heavy lack of knowledge of the game and an overall whiny attitude.

[Daniel Labude]

C

 

If Mitch White is a long man...F

 

Trading Frasso is dumb for a reliever. Hopefully they see some minor changes that would help White

 

Other deals were all ok, nothing great or nothing really bad

[Eat My Shatkins]

Buddy, if a 23 year old isn't dominating A-Ball then he isn't even a prospect.

 

High A, and he is dominating.

 

Like, really dominating.

[Terminator]

High A, and he is dominating.

 

Like, really dominating.

 

s*** I just looked it up and Frasso is damn near 24. He's pitching against 19 year olds for crying out loud. If the guy tried dating girls that age he'd probably get arrested in some states but I'm supposed to be impressed that he struck out some kids whose balls just dropped? No thanks.

 

Plus, I'm speaking from experience here. I'm 62 years young now but I didn't graduate high school until I was 21. Whenever I took the hill I would carve up those 16-18 year olds like they were a Christmas ham. It was easy, same thing applies with Frasso.

[Eat My Shatkins]

s*** I just looked it up and Frasso is damn near 24. He's pitching against 19 year olds for crying out loud. If the guy tried dating girls that age he'd probably get arrested in some states but I'm supposed to be impressed that he struck out some kids whose balls just dropped? No thanks.

 

Plus, I'm speaking from experience here. I'm 62 years young now but I didn't graduate high school until I was 21. Whenever I took the hill I would carve up those 16-18 year olds like they were a Christmas ham. It was easy, same thing applies with Frasso.

 

The average age in high A is 22.4 years old.

 

Frasso has the 7th best xFIP in the NW league and only 2 of the other top 10 pitchers in that league are younger than he is.

 

I guess time will tell whether or not he's a real prospect.

[max silver]

I give the Jays trade deadline a B+. The team made very smart fair cost acquisitions and strengthen the club in many different areas and kept all the elite prospects in the system. It's a big plus that every one that was brought in will be able to help the team next year as well.

 

I think the bullpen has been strengthened to a very large degree. Bass has had a monster season as he's 7th in FWAR, 89th percentile in xERA, and had a massive month of July where his k rate shot up to 11.2 K/9. It's nice to see a guy brought in who is actually having a very good season compared to the likes of Brad Hand last season. Pop has a top of the line turbo sinker already, so he's a very high floor pitcher. If he can unlock his slider to a greater degree he could be a true weapon in the future. As is he's like a fireballing version of Adam Cimber who adds another effective option for lower leverage situations. Removing the chaff at the bottom of the roster is huge as we won't be subjected to the likes of Banda, Beasley, Thornton and other assorted subreplacement relievers for the rest of the season.

 

White gives the club a much needed swing man/depth starter option. The team literally had nobody who could give them effective spot starts. Perhaps Castillo could be that guy, but the club didn't really seem to trust him enough to start him at the major league level. It hurts a bit to lose Frasso, but I think the club is beginning to turn around their fortunes when it comes to developing power arms. They added a potential front of the rotation starter this draft, so losing Frasso is a little easier to stomach as both guys are likely many years away from being ready to contribute to the major league squad.

 

The Merriweather addition really strengthens the bench to a large degree. I would have preferred a Benintendi addition, but Merrifield is likely to be far more effective defensively in center field. Having another legitimate bench option other than Tapia is very nice, and this very well may spell an end to Zimmer's time with the club as Merrifield offers the same benefits but with a bat that at least provides some level of utility to a major league squad.

[Eat My Shatkins]

The Jays added 3 pitchers today with a combined 2.4 fWAR this season and subtracted 3 pitchers with a combined -0.3 fWAR

[Spanky99]

B

 

Got players that improve the team quantifiably. Added some much needed depth. Didn't give up the top end of the farm to do so. Bass and Pop particularly should be really useful.

 

Only thing that would've given them an A would be getting a reliable K guy out of the bullpen.

 

This^^^^ Exactly why I graded a B

[Terminator]

The average age in high A is 22.4 years old.

 

Frasso has the 7th best xFIP in the NW league and only 2 of the other top 10 pitchers in that league are younger than he is.

 

I guess time will tell whether or not he's a real prospect.

 

He's a real prospect. We wouldn't have gotten Mitch White and Alex De Jesus (also a real prospect) for him if he wasn't. But he's got both injury and reliever risk and is old for his level (the non-prospects drag the average age up) so you have to take his stats in context. He also doesn't rank very high on any of the midseason prospect lists which take into account his dominating half season of A/A+ ball.

 

It just seems like people think he's Tiedemann or Top 100 or something when he's not. He's very mid.

[Spanky99]

I gave them an F.

 

There is a realistic chance that Castillo is just better than White in the exact same role and they traded Castillo for a Bradley Zimmer replacement in an 80 wRC+ anti-vax idiot bench bat and then used one of their best prospects to get White.

 

Realistically, Castillo to White is a lateral-ish move. Worst case scenario, they gave up a better, younger, more controllable swingman right after acquiring White.

 

Atkins spoke all season about how the bullpen was lacking swing and miss and it would be a priority for them to remedy that. His big move was getting Zach Pop, a guy with a 6.30 K/9, and Anthony Bass, who, while he's having an excellent season, has an xERA double his real ERA.

 

He sent out Castillo, who strikes more guys out than White, the guy he brought in.

 

This was the busiest and wildest trade deadline ever and the Blue Jays big acquisition was Anthony Bass.

 

The fact that Atkins said he wanted to add swing and miss all season and then didn't do that means he failed at the deadline. Failing gets an F.

 

lol... f***ing fool