Fire John Schneider

[Solaxys]

 

At least own up to the move, wtf. Them outplaying you by making a switch-hitter switch to where he hits better from?!

 

This could, as well, be Arash's dumb reporting.

[Plat]

This is on some Pete Carroll not running the ball on the one yard line s***, the players will never look at you the same again. At least with Pete Carroll they have already had sustained a level of success for a significant time and won a Super Bowl. Schneider will never live this down, this is a fireable offense.

[Olerud363]

 

At least own up to the move, wtf. Them outplaying you by making a switch-hitter switch to where he hits better from?!

 

This could, as well, be Arash's dumb reporting.

 

I went to check, figuring lifetime Santana must hit lefties worse, and they were going by lifetime not season stats.

 

Seems like he hits lefties better lifetime though. What were they thinking?

 

Maybe that the wanted Mayza in, but if they waited another batter he'd have to face Julio Rodriquez if it came to that?

[Stangstag]

I went to check, figuring lifetime Santana must hit lefties worse, and they were going by lifetime not season stats.

 

Seems like he hits lefties better lifetime though. What were they thinking?

 

Maybe that the wanted Mayza in, but if they waited another batter he'd have to face Julio Rodriquez if it came to that?

 

Im really not sure. But also why not call for the IBB after the wild pitch?? Confusing for sure

[Solaxys]

Maybe that the wanted Mayza in, but if they waited another batter he'd have to face Julio Rodriquez if it came to that?

 

Rather have him deal with JRod with no one on next inning than Santana with 3 men on.

 

If it went all the way around so JRod batted that very inning, then Mayza just sucked and its entirely on him. This is just stacking the deck against him and hoping he pulls out a rabbit from a hat.

[BCZ]

Schneider played it like a regular game which in itself is a colossal mistake.

[bones10]

Romano should have started the 8th, it was the teeth of the lineup and it was still a close game. Baseball thinking is backwards when it comes to closers. If Jays didn't score in the bottom half Romano can close the game in the 9th, yeah he's probably burnt for game 3 but at least there is a game three.

[Omar]

Romano should have started the 8th, it was the teeth of the lineup and it was still a close game. Baseball thinking is backwards when it comes to closers. If Jays didn't score in the bottom half Romano can close the game in the 9th, yeah he's probably burnt for game 3 but at least there is a game three.

 

The Espn broadcast were pretty surprised Romano didn't start the 8th. In fact at the end of the 7th they stated that in a win or go home game, we will for sure see Romano get six outs to close out this game. Schneider pulled on over on them.

[jaysblue]

Atkins built a bad bullpen indeed. And Schneider couldn't wait to use it.

Fire John Schneider. I'd love Gibbons back but he's probably too old. Don't know who the answer is, but this red faced clown ain't it.

 

According to some homers on this board, Atkins built an amazing bullpen especially after acquiring Pop and Bass at the trade deadline!

[JaysAllMighty]

A one year contract, that's it. His extreme friendliness with some players may get in the way of managing them properly, we'll see.

[BlueJays]

According to some homers on this board, Atkins built an amazing bullpen especially after acquiring Pop and Bass at the trade deadline!

 

There were people who said that? lmao. To be honest, I'll give Schneider a 1-yr deal and see how he will manage a team from scratch.

[M.E.]

A one year contract, that's it. His extreme friendliness with some players may get in the way of managing them properly, we'll see.

 

He relationship has not stopped him from making batting order moves. Schneider is the right guy to have IMO.

[Spanky__99]

According to some homers on this board, Atkins built an amazing bullpen especially after acquiring Pop and Bass at the trade deadline!

 

Who are these homers, saying Ross built an amazing pen? Dude, you ranked the deadline a B, and liked those acquisitions. Just stop.

[jaysblue]

Who are these homers, saying Ross built an amazing pen? Dude, you ranked the deadline a B, and liked those acquisitions. Just stop.

 

Brownie19 haha

 

Yeah I stated the acquisitions at the deadline were solid and decent moves, though they weren't moves to take the team to the next level.

[Spanky__99]

Brownie19 haha

 

Yeah I stated the acquisitions at the deadline were solid and decent moves, though they weren't moves to take the team to the next level.

 

There was noone better than Bass at the deadline, save for Robertson. Your riff with Brownie has no barring for that post. C'mon man.

[connorp]

There was noone better than Bass at the deadline, save for Robertson. Your riff with Brownie has no barring for that post. C'mon man.

 

Iglesias?

[connorp]

Robertson was also a proven high leverage RP. Not a sss low leverage buy low on a high

[Dr. Dinger]

It’s Schneider’s fault that every reliever in the pen other than Romero has the stuff of a league average SP from the ‘90s?

[Spanky__99]

Robertson was also a proven high leverage RP. Not a sss low leverage buy low on a high

 

I wanted Robertson, why do you think I mentioned him, dipshit. Iglesias' contract is stupid, not worth it. Edwin Diaz should be Ross' number one target this winter, imo.

[Spanky__99]

It’s Schneider’s fault that every reliever in the pen other than Romero has the stuff of a league average SP from the ‘90s?

 

Yeah, that's on Ross and a bunch of guys not executing. Romano?

[Laika]

It’s Schneider’s fault that every reliever in the pen other than Romero has the stuff of a league average SP from the ‘90s?

 

Rordie Romero

[Jaysareus]

I doubt they will eagerly award Schneider the full time job after his disastrous managerial performance in yesterdays game.

[John_Havok]

I doubt they will eagerly award Schneider the full time job after his disastrous managerial performance in yesterdays game.

 

I don’t think there’s much doubt at all he will be extended. He managed the exact same team as Montoyo to a .622 winning percentage after his promotion. That’s not a guy you fire because your team s*** the bed in a playoff game.

[Captain_Obvious]

According to some homers on this board, Atkins built an amazing bullpen especially after acquiring Pop and Bass at the trade deadline!

 

Most ace relievers are either homegrown or salvage projects. Most teams are reluctant to invest too much money in bullpen arms given how inconsistent most are.

 

You think Seattle "invested" in their elite bullpen?

Munoz: Lottery ticket in a trade while recovering from injury.

Swanson: After 3 years of being average-to-s***, becomes one of the best relievers in baseball this year.

Brash: s*** starter turned into good reliever.

Murfee: Makes the majors at 28 years old after having 4+ ERA and FIP in AAA last year. Becomes one of the better relievers in baseball.

Sewald: Was literally s*** until he was added as a 31-year old non-roster invitee by Seattle in 2021.

Castillo: Average reliever

 

Maybe the Dodgers paid a s*** ton of money to assemble their BP?

Phillips: Seriously .. look him up. He was Beasley until this year.

Vesia: Acquired as a pretty good minors RP in a trade without giving up anything.

Kimbrel: The only player with high salary. He was not better than any of the core Jays bullpen pieces.

Bickford: s***

Gretarol: Failed starter who became an inconsistent RP. Performed as well as Garcia this year.

Ferguson: Avg reliever became very good after TJS. No investment.

 

Trade deadline acquisitions:

Martin: 4.31 ERA RP becomes an ace reliever after trade.

 

Let's look at Toronto's core pieces starting 2022:

Romano: s*** starter who was lost in rule 5 draft and then returned before becoming a good reliever at 27 years old.

Cimber: Was excellent last year and pretty good this year. Would be 3rd or 4th best reliever in most contenders'

Garcia: Decent reliever who also would be 3rd or 4th best reliever in most contenders' BPs

Phelps: Ditto

Richards: Average reliever last year who became s*** this year.

Mayza: Meh reliever who is only effective against lefties. No change from last year.

 

Others:

Merryweather: Often injured RP

Pearson: Was supposed to be a core BP piece did not pitch a single inning.

 

Trade deadline acquisitions:

Bass: Had sub 2 ERA before trade. Had sub 2 ERA post trade. Sucked in the game yesterday. Overall, performed as one of the best relievers in baseball in 2022.

Pop: Third best to Romano and Bass.

 

 

So, stop being drama queens and making unsubstantiated claims that the bullpen was utter disaster based on one historically bad game yesterday. Is it the best BP? No. Does it need a piece or two? Yes. Is it a complete disaster? No.

[connorp]

I wanted Robertson, why do you think I mentioned him, dipshit. Iglesias' contract is stupid, not worth it. Edwin Diaz should be Ross' number one target this winter, imo.

 

Shove the analytics up your bum. Like 1 WAR=1WAR. So if you can make an incremental upgrade of defense that you gain 1 WAR from over the course of a full season, you’re so smart not to pay $10m+ for that 1 WAR for a proven High leverage RP. That’s what a stupid team does.

 

Some deals are made with the playoffs in mind. For big boy teams.

[jaysblue]

Most ace relievers are either homegrown or salvage projects. Most teams are reluctant to invest too much money in bullpen arms given how inconsistent most are.

 

You think Seattle "invested" in their elite bullpen?

Munoz: Lottery ticket in a trade while recovering from injury.

Swanson: After 3 years of being average-to-s***, becomes one of the best relievers in baseball this year.

Brash: s*** starter turned into good reliever.

Murfee: Makes the majors at 28 years old after having 4+ ERA and FIP in AAA last year. Becomes one of the better relievers in baseball.

Sewald: Was literally s*** until he was added as a 31-year old non-roster invitee by Seattle in 2021.

Castillo: Average reliever

 

Maybe the Dodgers paid a s*** ton of money to assemble their BP?

Phillips: Seriously .. look him up. He was Beasley until this year.

Vesia: Acquired as a pretty good minors RP in a trade without giving up anything.

Kimbrel: The only player with high salary. He was not better than any of the core Jays bullpen pieces.

Bickford: s***

Gretarol: Failed starter who became an inconsistent RP. Performed as well as Garcia this year.

Ferguson: Avg reliever became very good after TJS. No investment.

 

Trade deadline acquisitions:

Martin: 4.31 ERA RP becomes an ace reliever after trade.

 

Let's look at Toronto's core pieces starting 2022:

Romano: s*** starter who was lost in rule 5 draft and then returned before becoming a good reliever at 27 years old.

Cimber: Was excellent last year and pretty good this year. Would be 3rd or 4th best reliever in most contenders'

Garcia: Decent reliever who also would be 3rd or 4th best reliever in most contenders' BPs

Phelps: Ditto

Richards: Average reliever last year who became s*** this year.

Mayza: Meh reliever who is only effective against lefties. No change from last year.

 

Others:

Merryweather: Often injured RP

Pearson: Was supposed to be a core BP piece did not pitch a single inning.

 

Trade deadline acquisitions:

Bass: Had sub 2 ERA before trade. Had sub 2 ERA post trade. Sucked in the game yesterday. Overall, performed as one of the best relievers in baseball in 2022.

Pop: Third best to Romano and Bass.

 

 

So, stop being drama queens and making unsubstantiated claims that the bullpen was utter disaster based on one historically bad game yesterday. Is it the best BP? No. Does it need a piece or two? Yes. Is it a complete disaster? No.

 

Drama Queen? The bullpen needs some upgrades, those are the facts. Never said they need to completely replace everyone or spend a majority of their payroll on one. They have some nice pieces down there but they need to be complemented with another one or two elite arms. This bullpen wasn't good enough to take this team deep into the Postseason. It wasn't even good enough to close a 8-1 game from the 6th inning onwards.

 

Was it completely the bullpens fault the Jays lost yesterday? No. I place majority of the blame on the in game decisions Schneider made. Then there is Tapia, then some boneheaded defensive plays, and yeah they all contributed to one of the greatest collapses in baseball Postseason history! There is no sugar coating it. The Blue Jays should have been playing Game 3 this afternoon.

[BlueJays1B]

I'm not sure about Schneider objectively, but I'm so pissed still about yesterday I hope they fire him or somebody.

[John_Havok]

I'm not sure about Schneider objectively, but I'm so pissed still about yesterday I hope they fire him or somebody.

 

Many players will be fired.

[Spanky__99]

Shove the analytics up your bum. Like 1 WAR=1WAR. So if you can make an incremental upgrade of defense that you gain 1 WAR from over the course of a full season, you’re so smart not to pay $10m+ for that 1 WAR for a proven High leverage RP. That’s what a stupid team does.

 

Some deals are made with the playoffs in mind. For big boy teams.

 

WTF are you talking about???

[Captain_Obvious]

Drama Queen? The bullpen needs some upgrades, those are the facts. Never said they need to completely replace everyone or spend a majority of their payroll on one. They have some nice pieces down there but they need to be complemented with another one or two elite arms. This bullpen wasn't good enough to take this team deep into the Postseason. It wasn't even good enough to close a 8-1 game from the 6th inning onwards.

 

Was it completely the bullpens fault the Jays lost yesterday? No. I place majority of the blame on the in game decisions Schneider made. Then there is Tapia, then some boneheaded defensive plays, and yeah they all contributed to one of the greatest collapses in baseball Postseason history! There is no sugar coating it. The Blue Jays should have been playing Game 3 this afternoon.

 

What moves should they have made that would have topped getting Bass and Pop?

 

Moving forward, the team priorities should be:

1- Find 4th and 5th starters.

2- Improve the outfield. Tapia and Gurriel must go. People here seem to be aware of Tapia's shortcomings, but are oblivious to Gurriel turning into a slap hitter with bad outfield defense and base running. The Jays were 27th defensively in the OF.

3- Move Bo to 2B and find a real SS. The Blue Jays were 27th at SS defensively. Just show Bo the numbers and tell him to f*** off.

4- If they can get an elite BP piece, then great. Otherwise, improving the defense at SS and OF should help all our pitchers including the BP.