2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[Spanky99]

I'm really surprised the Jays haven't made a trade for at least 1 bullpen arm yet.

 

Buying teams are waiting to not pay a high price, selling teams are playing chicken. This deadline is going to be insane.

[Stangstag]

Buying teams are waiting to not pay a high price, selling teams are playing chicken. This deadline is going to be insane.

 

Agreed. I think we’ll see a flurry of moves starting Monday afternoonish

[xposbrad]

I think 5-6 teams are all making a strong push for Soto and with him being a lifetime # 1 talent that comes along at age 23 the nationals have told these 5-6 teams they are evaluating offers and will make a decision by noon tomorrow out of respect for the 5 teams that do not get Soto they still have a few hours to complete fallback trades.

 

I really really think GM's are saying 2.5 years of Soto (playoff caliber in next 2 years) are really taking a serious look at this opportunity and it is holding up everything else until the rest of the dominos fall.

 

The Jays could be one of those teams and it would cost us our #1 prospect Moreno, Gurriel (Free up outfield log-jam and Nationals will want a good Outfielder back for 2 years), Pearson, and our the #1 pitching prospect Tiedemann. Atkins has said they will always trade for once in a lifetime talent if it will supplement the Blue Jays core so who knows??? I doubt the Jays will be the winners in this though...

 

Ya, seems realistic to have the Jays tie up 90m/yr to Soto/Vlad/Bichette on long term deals. They would just need a 220m+ payroll, were they on record saying they will go that high?

[Spanky99]

I don’t get why teams care about control in relief pitching. I get caring about having optionable guys but I don’t care that much about control. Soto probably flames out or isn’t that good before that anyway.

 

Also, if I’m doing a trade for skubal, anyone else is a throw in. I’m not getting to Moreno by adding in Soto. That’s a classic way to get ripped off. Keep your ‘controllable’ relief and let’s just negotiate on the starter.

 

The only way we hear Moreno's name is for SP or a position player. RP's aren't worth it, unless their elite, and even that's a fetch.

[PhillyBlueJay]

To be honest and this is just my opinion, I do not think they are going to see Bo locked up to a long term deal..., stuff coming out about his family which is unfortunate for Bo and the Jays, there were some mention a while back that his agent or him were not interested in negotiating a long term deal at this time. No mention from Bo himself in any interview that he would love to be here long term. Who knows maybe the Jays will flip Bo for Soto wouldn't that shake up the Blue Jays fans base. Acquire another shortstop at the trade deadline!

 

The forum here would go crazy and want Atkins head on a silver platter but could benefit both teams if Bo is high tailing it out of here as a free agent!

[PhillyBlueJay]

To be honest and this is just my opinion, I do not think they are going to see Bo locked up to a long term deal..., stuff coming out about his family which is unfortunate for Bo and the Jays, there were some mention a while back that his agent or him were not interested in negotiating a long term deal at this time. No mention from Bo himself in any interview that he would love to be here long term. Who knows maybe the Jays will flip Bo for Soto wouldn't that shake up the Blue Jays fans base. Acquire another shortstop at the trade deadline!

 

The forum here would go crazy and want Atkins head on a silver platter but could benefit both teams if Bo is high tailing it out of here as a free agent!

[Laika]

I don’t get why teams care about control in relief pitching. I get caring about having optionable guys but I don’t care that much about control. Soto probably flames out or isn’t that good before that anyway.

 

Also, if I’m doing a trade for skubal, anyone else is a throw in. I’m not getting to Moreno by adding in Soto. That’s a classic way to get ripped off. Keep your ‘controllable’ relief and let’s just negotiate on the starter.

 

It doesn't help to get categorical like that.

 

Control still matters for relief pitching, but since the volatility is higher is probably matters less than for other players. Still important though. Particularly control years BEFORE arb3 of course because many relievers aren't going to be held through an arb3 hearing even decent ones.

[Krylian]

Ya, seems realistic to have the Jays tie up 90m/yr to Soto/Vlad/Bichette on long term deals. They would just need a 220m+ payroll, were they on record saying they will go that high?

 

They never commit to a number. Not since back in the JP days I think do I remember them actually committing to as number and it was something like 210 over 3 years?

[Blazeit420]

To be honest and this is just my opinion, I do not think they are going to see Bo locked up to a long term deal..., stuff coming out about his family which is unfortunate for Bo and the Jays, there were some mention a while back that his agent or him were not interested in negotiating a long term deal at this time. No mention from Bo himself in any interview that he would love to be here long term. Who knows maybe the Jays will flip Bo for Soto wouldn't that shake up the Blue Jays fans base. Acquire another shortstop at the trade deadline!

 

The forum here would go crazy and want Atkins head on a silver platter but could benefit both teams if Bo is high tailing it out of here as a free agent!

 

No one here would go crazy. We've been suggesting Bo for Soto since the rumours started.

 

And there would be no need to acquire another shortstop. That's Espinal's position.

[Key22]

No one here would go crazy. We've been suggesting Bo for Soto since the rumours started.

 

And there would be no need to acquire another shortstop. That's Espinal's position.

 

I think it's reasonable to assume that Espinal would be a superior defensive shortstop to Bo. But the rest of the league isn't stupid either - Bo is mediocre defensively and has what a .720 OPS and 102WRC+

 

It's not like he's a "HOF" talent right now - the other team is going to have to see something more in him.

 

I can't see the Jays landing Soto - if they do they're going to need a third team - The Nationals have a stud catching prospect. The Jays would need a third team to take Moreno for prospects that would interest the Nationals and probably add and Martinez with Bo.

 

Then what are you doing with the outfield? Soto/Gurriel Jr/Springer/Tapia/Teoscar?

 

I'd love Soto - who wouldn't but I just don't see how they make the space for him. It would be hard to trade Gurriel who has been a monster at the plate for the last month or so. And he has the same WAR as Teoscar who seems clutch to me.

 

Apparently, the Jay's Right Handed line-up has still been crushing RHPs so the problem may not be as big a problem as initially thought. The announcers say things like - get a lefty bat because you might face Verlander - but umm - Verlander gets lefty bats out too - great pitchers having great games can shut down anyone - lefty hitters too.

 

I think the Jays should just go for elite pen arms - they have their 1-2-3 for the playoffs in Manoah, Gausman, Berrios and solid innings eater in Stripling. They should be good enough to get into the playoffs and once there you have to win with pitching pitching pitching.

[Stangstag]

Apparently, the Jay's Right Handed line-up has still been crushing RHPs so the problem may not be as big a problem as initially thought. The announcers say things like - get a lefty bat because you might face Verlander - but umm - Verlander gets lefty bats out too - great pitchers having great games can shut down anyone - lefty hitters too.

 

I think the Jays should just go for elite pen arms - they have their 1-2-3 for the playoffs in Manoah, Gausman, Berrios and solid innings eater in Stripling. They should be good enough to get into the playoffs and once there you have to win with pitching pitching pitching.

 

100% agree with this. The priority list should be something like this:

 

1. Late-inning reliever

2. Late-inning reliever

3. 5th/depth starter

4. Mid-tier lefty bat

 

Those should all be attainable without giving up the big names like Moreno/Tiedeman/Martinez. I would only be willing to part with those guys if its for a player with multiple years of control.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Still hoping for a move like Pearson for Bednar.

 

Jays basically it the fast forward button on Pearson and get a late inning high leverage guy that can help now and for a few years yet.

Pirates gamble that Pearson can finally shed the injury bug and become a top of the rotation starter or at worse be a replacement for Bednar when they might actually be good. Maybe the Jays add another prospect lottery ticket to make it work.

 

I'd also love to see them snag and Iglesias and Syndergaard from the Angels.

 

Really bolster the pen and starting pitching depth with those moves and you're not really going to burn much prospect capital either I wouldn't think, especially if the Jays are willing to eat all of Iglesias' contract.

[Ehjays]

 

we already have a capable back up.

[Solaxys]

4. Mid-tier lefty bat

 

I'm still quietly hoping for Soto but don't think we have the ability to meet the asking price for him that STL/SDP can, nor do I see Atkins pulling that trigger even if we did.

He'd dramatically change the top of this lineup for years to come simply because he sees/takes a lot of pitches which is something we are lacking.

[Jays24]

Damn... expected a lot more action in this thread... less than 2 days left and not much has happened.

[L54]

Damn... expected a lot more action in this thread... less than 2 days left and not much has happened.

 

Man just wait for Tuesday it's going to be nuts. Soto deal is holding everything up.

 

Going to be interesting to see how long teams wait on Soto because Rizzo doesn't have to move him. If he isn't traded by tomorrow night teams are going to have to choose whether or not to call the Nats bluff or move on to other targets. If the Soto domino does fall tomorrow there's probably a bunch of deals ready to be made.

[Dagagad]

It doesn't help to get categorical like that.

 

Control still matters for relief pitching, but since the volatility is higher is probably matters less than for other players. Still important though. Particularly control years BEFORE arb3 of course because many relievers aren't going to be held through an arb3 hearing even decent ones.

 

You are right that control matters.

 

I just see stuff in the media that seems to put control as just the same for all types of players. Like, to make up some numbers, let’s say the value of control is a multiplier on the ‘real’ value of the player. If 2 years of control is worth twice the value of one year for a starter, for a reliever it should be more like 1.25 times the value.

 

People are talking about huge prices for guys like soto and jiminez … and it’s all based on control. If that’s the case, just do not pay that price imo.

[Spanky99]

Still hoping for a move like Pearson for Bednar.

 

Jays basically it the fast forward button on Pearson and get a late inning high leverage guy that can help now and for a few years yet.

Pirates gamble that Pearson can finally shed the injury bug and become a top of the rotation starter or at worse be a replacement for Bednar when they might actually be good. Maybe the Jays add another prospect lottery ticket to make it work.

 

I'd also love to see them snag and Iglesias and Syndergaard from the Angels.

 

Really bolster the pen and starting pitching depth with those moves and you're not really going to burn much prospect capital either I wouldn't think, especially if the Jays are willing to eat all of Iglesias' contract.

 

It would cost more than Pearson, mate. Bednar's thrown over a 100 great innings since last season, that's what I hope Pearson becomes, and you'd have control of Bednar through 2026. No way the Pirates do that, imo.

[Spanky99]

I'm still quietly hoping for Soto but don't think we have the ability to meet the asking price for him that STL/SDP can, nor do I see Atkins pulling that trigger even if we did.

He'd dramatically change the top of this lineup for years to come simply because he sees/takes a lot of pitches which is something we are lacking.

 

Jeff Passan said it's 5 teams that sent in a final offer, the expected leaders would be LAD/STL and SDP. The price for him must be insane, at least the Nats are going to let the other GM's know that their out at 12 noon tomorrow. That's when the action should start happening on the hotstove. Can't wait.

[Spanky99]

You are right that control matters.

 

I just see stuff in the media that seems to put control as just the same for all types of players. Like, to make up some numbers, let’s say the value of control is a multiplier on the ‘real’ value of the player. If 2 years of control is worth twice the value of one year for a starter, for a reliever it should be more like 1.25 times the value.

 

People are talking about huge prices for guys like soto and jiminez … and it’s all based on control. If that’s the case, just do not pay that price imo.

 

If the value isn't right on those guys mentioned, Toronto won't trade for the sake of posters on this forum... hahaha... Seriously, though, if it's too high, Jays will just move on to rentals.

[jaysblue]

I'm still quietly hoping for Soto but don't think we have the ability to meet the asking price for him that STL/SDP can, nor do I see Atkins pulling that trigger even if we did.

He'd dramatically change the top of this lineup for years to come simply because he sees/takes a lot of pitches which is something we are lacking.

 

Joc Pederson!

[BlueJaysFever]

[Stangstag]

 

No way Ross was ever trading for this guy

[jaysguy44]

No way Ross was ever trading for this guy

Lmao

 

Good get for the Yanks, now it's our time.

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

Breaking: Angels have decided to keep Shohei Ohtani. Yankees among teams to make an offer, but Ohtani will stay

https://t.co/tMhKmNyeYp

[L54]

[Jays24]

Finally hearing some news. Now let's hope we don't trade a decent prospect for Brad Hand again lol

[Stangstag]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

Breaking: Angels have decided to keep Shohei Ohtani. Yankees among teams to make an offer, but Ohtani will stay

https://t.co/tMhKmNyeYp

 

Shocker

[jerb]

 

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

BREAKING: The Brewers are trading star reliever Josh Hader to the Padres, a source tells ESPN.

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

The return on Josh Hader to Milwaukee is significant: left-handed closer Taylor Rogers, lefty pitching prospect Robert Gasser, outfielder Esteury Ruiz and right-hander Dinelson Lamet, sources tell ESPN. Hader will be a free agent after the 2023 season.

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

That said: The Padres didn’t give up any of the main prospects they’ve been talking about in myriad other deals. C.J. Abrams, Robert Hassell III, James Wood and Jackson Merrill all remain, as does MacKenzie Gore. Could the Padres really pull off a Juan Soto-Josh Hader double?

[Daniel Labude]

Jansen and Zulueta for Hader......