2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[glory]

If two shutdown relievers are added I really don't see any relievers already on the MLB roster deserve to be removed from the roster to make way for a Trivino addition. There will still be a need for a long man on the roster, and the club has 4 relievers who have been quite good for the season as a whole. The team can't afford another Brad Hand type situation where a reliever with serious performance related question marks is brought in an ends up pissing away several potential victories during his time with the club.

 

I highly doubt the Jays are getting two "shutdown relievers". I'd be pleasantly surprised if they added one. Not because they don't have the need, but because of either cost or availability. Whether it's Grilli, Benoit, Ray, Stripling, Hand, etc, Atkins has a tendency to go for the buy low options at the deadline. Again, maybe that changes with heightened expectations, but the largest outlay Atkins has ever given to a RP was 2/11 to Garcia (unless I'm forgetting someone). I don't think he's going to trade actual prospect capital for a RP, and it's likely going to take that to get the type of established relievers the Jays need. Although like I said, Berrios last year bucked the trend a bit, so maybe he'll switch it up this time with relievers.

[BigCecil]

I think Syndergaard will be the SP target

Thor is no more.

[Carlos Danger]

The problem with looking for closer types is if you sort projects by FIP or ERA, almost every single elite RP is already on a competitive team right now lmao.

 

The exceptions are guys like Bednar who will cost seven arms and your cock, or Iglesias who has a horrible contract.

 

So Toronto might need to be smart and make a sneaky good acquisition. Someone who has mediocre projections but has made an arsenal change this year and is actually elite now...

 

Or you have to Risky Business it and say What the f*** and go for it... With the Wild card situation, there is so much competition, it will cost you. The question as you pointed out is the cost going to be prospects or $$ I would rather spend $ in for a penny in for a pound and do what we need to to take us to the next level.

 

Indians did it with the Miller trade in 2016... They didn't win the WS, but came damn close and Miller was a huge reason.. If we could get an Iglesias and the only cost is $$.. You need to do it, the stars lining up and getting something of equal value with little prospect capital or $$ is highly unlikely..

[jaysblue]

I think Syndergaard will be the SP target

 

Thor bobblehead for next season!

[Daniel Labude]

Thor is no more.

 

That's for sure, but the Syndergaard guy is pretty cheap on a 1 year contract and LAA will probably take anything at this point. Pretty solid back end starter for the rest of the season imo

[jaysblue]

Or you have to Risky Busines it and say What the f*** and go for it... With the Wild card situation, there is so much competition, it will cost you. The question as you pointed out is the cost going to be prospects or $$ I would rather spend $ in for a penny in for a pound and do what we need to to take uis to the next level.

 

Indians did it with the Miller trade in 2016... They didn't win the WS, but came damn close and Miller was a huge reason.. If we could get an Iglesias and the only cost is $$.. You need to do it, the stars lining up and getting something of equal value with little prospect capital or $$ is highly unlikely..

 

Is there an Andrew Miller available at this deadline though? I agree a reliever like Miller could make a huge difference in a short Postseason series especially with all the off-days.

[jaysblue]

That's for sure, but the Syndergaard guy is pretty cheap on a 1 year contract and LAA will probably take anything at this point. Pretty solid back end starter for the rest of the season imo

 

Better than Kikuchi.

[max silver]

I highly doubt the Jays are getting two "shutdown relievers". I'd be pleasantly surprised if they added one. Not because they don't have the need, but because of either cost or availability. Whether it's Grilli, Benoit, Ray, Stripling, Hand, etc, Atkins has a tendency to go for the buy low options at the deadline. Again, maybe that changes with heightened expectations, but the largest outlay Atkins has ever given to a RP was 2/11 to Garcia (unless I'm forgetting someone). I don't think he's going to trade actual prospect capital for a RP, and it's likely going to take that to get the type of established relievers the Jays need. Although like I said, Berrios last year bucked the trend a bit, so maybe he'll switch it up this time with relievers.

 

By shutdown I basically meant someone at least in the same vein as Garcia who can pitch late game high leverage innings on a regular basis. If the club doesn't add several relievers who at least project to be slightly above average taking a chance on somebody like Trivino has serious potential to blow up in the Atkins' face.

 

I recall the club was in negotiation with Liam Hendriks when he was a free agent, so Atkins has shopped in the premium aisle at the bullpen supermarket previously. It looks to be a real sellers market this season so bullpen help is likely to be pretty expensive this year.

[L54]

Syndergaard is a great fit. He's not Thor of 2018 but he's been good this year and can give you competitive innings for the rest of the season.

[BlueJaysFever]

Robertson and Bard aren't good enough IMO. The type of guys that come in and disappoint, I think.

I would say they are good enough as of right now and that you can only hedge so much.

 

I feel hesitant buying a longer term reliever because of the variance involved, especially when we’re talking about a guy like Iglesias. I’d be less concerned with a younger arm.

[jaysblue]

Syndergaard is a great fit. He's not Thor of 2018 but he's been good this year and can give you competitive innings for the rest of the season.

 

If the Jays missed out on Castillo, Rodon or Quintana, would love to see Thor as a No. 4 starter here.

[Brownie19]

We won't. Even if we add 2 arms. But it will help a lot. We have good SP if it all shows up. Seems like since 2014 WS when Herrera emerged, along with others, the teams going deep in the playoffs have all ridden hot pens with a large degree of filth. SF used a starter in part, who was hot, in that role in '14. Who has gone deep without that kind of pen since? Honest question. I can't remember one.

 

um...Washington in 2019?

[Daniel Labude]

If the Jays missed out on Castillo, Rodon or Quintana, would love to see Thor as a No. 4 starter here.

 

Why would SF trade Rodon? Only 2.5 games out of the playoffs i think

[max silver]

If the Jays missed out on Castillo, Rodon or Quintana, would love to see Thor as a No. 4 starter here.

 

I would likely pencil in Syndergaard as 5th starter given how good Stripling has been in the rotation. I wonder what a package of Syndergaard and Iglesias would cost in return? Those two would check off a good chunk of the Jays pitching needs in one fell swoop.

[Krylian]

Why would SF trade Rodon? Only 2.5 games out of the playoffs i think

 

Guessing they don't have confidence in their team and think Rodon will opt out. Maybe want to maximize that asset.

[L54]

If the Jays missed out on Castillo, Rodon or Quintana, would love to see Thor as a No. 4 starter here.

 

Quintana and Thor are having similar seasons, similar skill sets, similar projections, both FA's after the season. Less prohibitive cost too, I think I prefer those two over the others.

[Carlos Danger]

um...Washington in 2019?

 

Their pen sucked up until the deadline and then was excellent in the playoffs..

[L54]

I would likely pencil in Syndergaard as 5th starter given how good Stripling has been in the rotation. I wonder what a package of Syndergaard and Iglesias would cost in return? Those two would check off a good chunk of the Jays pitching needs in one fell swoop.

 

Syndergaard shouldn't cost too much and Iglesias should be free.

 

What do the Angels need or want? Probably players with close proximity to the show and to get out of that terrible contract

 

Spencer Horowitz, Hayden Juenger, Samad Taylor

 

for

 

Syndergaard, Iglesias + $15M

[max silver]

Their pen sucked up until the deadline and then was excellent in the playoffs..

 

The 2019 Nationals had an elite starting rotation so their pen didn't need to be as good/cover as many innings as most other recent World Series winners.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Syndergaard shouldn't cost too much and Iglesias should be free.

 

What do the Angels need or want? Probably players with close proximity to the show and to get out of that terrible contract

 

Spencer Horowitz, Hayden Juenger, Samad Taylor

 

for

 

Syndergaard, Iglesias + $15M

 

 

Could totally get on board with something like that.

[Jonn]

As the 5th OF he gets maybe 2 at bats a week. Is it really worth it to spend resources on replacing him when there will be basically not even a marginal difference? And hes probably one of those guys whos just happy to collect a big league paycheck and not cause any problems in the clubhouse. He knows his role and does it well IMO.

 

The goal would be replacing his roster spot with someone who can actually hit and do more. Its a talent upgrade. We really don’t need someone to play the 9th inning in CF and pinch run. He’s not even that good at pinch running hes just fast.

[RustyTrombone]

The goal would be replacing his roster spot with someone who can actually hit and do more. Its a talent upgrade. We really don’t need someone to play the 9th inning in CF and pinch run. He’s not even that good at pinch running hes just fast.

 

You need someone exactly like that in the playoffs. Do you really want Gurriel or Teo out there in a one run save situation in game 5 of the DS? Or what if Kirk singles to leadoff the ninth in a tied game? Do you still not want someone fast to come into to run for him?

[L54]

Could totally get on board with something like that.

 

I think that would be close. Jays would be responsible for like 35M of the remaining 50M on Iglesias contract. Might need a better secondary piece but Horowitz is a nice piece to receive while shedding salary.

[John_Havok]

The goal would be replacing his roster spot with someone who can actually hit and do more. Its a talent upgrade. We really don’t need someone to play the 9th inning in CF and pinch run. He’s not even that good at pinch running hes just fast.

 

Zimmer as the 26th man on this team is not the problem. Right now he's being utlized perfectly to maximize his actual talents by only playing defense late in games and being used as a pinch runner. Keeping his PAs minimized is fine. In the playoffs there's always those one-off scenarios where you need his skillset and all he comes in for is that one thing and that one thing only.

 

If you can find a guy with actual thunder in the bat that also provides legit plus CF defense and baserunning and hits left handed... sure, but that kind of player as a bench guy doesnt exist. Those are all starters.

[BigCecil]

um...Washington in 2019?

 

Maybe. Doolittle Hudson and Rainey were all hot if not filthy, at least at the right time. Integral to getting there and the outcome. Rainey has always had plus K numbers. In '19 his avg FB was 98. Not nothing. They really did lean on their rotation - Scherzer and Strasburg. Our SP's aren't in that class, although on a given day they can be.

[Spanky99]

The team also does NOT really need any more middle relievers. They need elite shutdown relief arms... one or two of them.

 

Two high leverage arms and a depth starter would be suffice.

[Spanky99]

Would you guys give up a fringe prospect or two to take on Raisel Iglesias' entire contract?

 

Yes, that'd work.

[Spanky99]

Robertson and Bard aren't good enough IMO. The type of guys that come in and disappoint, I think.

 

What has made you change your opinion on Robertson?

[Spanky99]

I think Syndergaard will be the SP target

 

Syndergaard, Quintana, Kuhl, Smyly or Perez one of these guys should work.

[Brownie19]

Maybe. Doolittle Hudson and Rainey were all hot if not filthy, at least at the right time. Integral to getting there and the outcome. Rainey has always had plus K numbers. In '19 his avg FB was 98. Not nothing. They really did lean on their rotation - Scherzer and Strasburg. Our SP's aren't in that class, although on a given day they can be.

 

My point is the Nats didn't go out and build a lock down bullpen. Doolittle was awful in 2019 (4.25 FIP, 5.08 xFIP), as was Rainey (7.08 BB/9!!!). That bullpen was way shittier than the Jays current pen. It just so happened that those 2, along with Hudson got hot at the right time and when combined with Corbin pitching from the pen and Stras & Max going deep into games, they were able to win with a different formula than the common formula you see these days were starters go 4-5 and then the pen locks down the 5-9th inning. The Nats did go into it with a completely different strategy and were aided by some of their best bullpen arms peaking at the right time.

 

Of course this also destroyed Stras and Corbin...I seemingly forgot that Stras is essentially dead now. Man did he get paid just in the nick of time!