GDT 2/4 | Blue Jays (3-1) @ Yankees (2-2) | April 12 — 7:05 PM

[John_Havok]

Another day another lousy umpiring performance. It's remarkable that people in the game day thread were blaming Vladdy for not swinging at missed call number 1, when you have a player with elite plate discipline you don't want them hacking away at obvious balls early in the game well before you've even established that the umpire is going to be causing headaches with bogus ball/strike calls.

 

Have we even seen a 90% correct called strike rate in the first 5 games?

 

Seems 82 or 83% is the norm for Jays games so far. That's just not acceptable

[Spanky99]

Holy, y'all need to chill out!!! lol

[Spanky99]

His last game action was in ST on April 1. Hopefully he and Berrios and are just ironing out some (massive) wrinkles after the short spring.

 

This^^^

[Deadpool]

Have we even seen a 90% correct called strike rate in the first 5 games?

 

Seems 82 or 83% is the norm for Jays games so far. That's just not acceptable

 

Anything less than 100% is not acceptable, since we have the ability to make sure it's 100% called correctly.

[Spanky99]

Anything less than 100% is not acceptable, since we have the ability to make sure it's 100% called correctly.

 

Is it 100% though? Last I heard there were some noticeable glitches, but that was a while back. IDK

[L54]

Add me to the skeptics that robo umps will be 100% accurate

[max silver]

Is it 100% though? Last I heard there were some noticeable glitches, but that was a while back. IDK

 

There's sure to be some growing pains but at least the electronic strike zone can be tweaked over time to iron out the glitches. That has to be better than what we've seen up to this point in the season where a human umpire that can reliably call balls and strikes has yet to be seen in Jays games.

[John_Havok]

Is it 100% though? Last I heard there were some noticeable glitches, but that was a while back. IDK

 

Yeah it's not 100%, nothing really can be. There are some pitches that for some reason just don't register.

 

But 99+% with the occiasional pitch not registering and subsequently being called by the ump instead would be 1000 times more preferable than the current clown show we see daily.

 

 

What they did in the minors is they had the ump behind the plate, he would get a notification within a second or less of the pitch being caught with what it registered as. If he didn't get a notification due to a glitch, he made the call.

 

They also gave the ump the ability to make a call that differed from the notification if the ump felt that machine very obviously got it wrong (which it did early on with some pitches - usually with high and low)

[Laika]

Is it 100% though? Last I heard there were some noticeable glitches, but that was a while back. IDK

 

It's possible for the calibration to be off I guess. Or for the reading of the odd pitch to just not register.

 

But a lot of the "glitches" that were being reported were not really glitches, just mismatches with pitches that traditionally don't or do get called strikes. Like a big curveball that clips the bottom of the zone but hits the dirt - umps never call it a strike but the robot does and hitters hate it.

[glory]

Robo umps won't be 100% but should improve consistency/accuracy, and more importantly, glitches can always be fixed. Human umpires, not so much.

[Spanky99]

Yeah it's not 100%, nothing really can be. There are some pitches that for some reason just don't register.

 

But 99+% with the occiasional pitch not registering and subsequently being called by the ump instead would be 1000 times more preferable than the current clown show we see daily.

 

 

What they did in the minors is they had the ump behind the plate, he would get a notification within a second or less of the pitch being caught with what it registered as. If he didn't get a notification due to a glitch, he made the call.

 

They also gave the ump the ability to make a call that differed from the notification if the ump felt that machine very obviously got it wrong (which it did early on with some pitches - usually with high and low)

 

That'd be good, I'm down for that.

[John_Havok]

That'd be good, I'm down for that.

 

Much of the trouble they had with high and low calls was the heights for players had been reported incorrectly, or wasnt up to date... but then also whether the strike zone would be programmed as the 3D version, or a 2 plane version where only the front of the plate would count.

 

They also experimented with programming a slightly wider zone to be more in line with how how human umps expand slightly.

 

The complaints they got were pretty hilarious though. Like when the catcher sets up outside the zone, the pitch misses the target completely on the inner half and the catcher has to lunge to get it, and still gets called a strike because it did go through the zone. Optically it looked horrendous even though the ball went through the zone.

[M.E.]

Add me to the skeptics that robo umps will be 100% accurate

 

100% correct. Just like review ;-)

[Krylian]

Add me to the skeptics that robo umps will be 100% accurate

 

They will be 100% accurate based on the graphics that we will be shown.

[John_Havok]

They will be 100% accurate based on the graphics that we will be shown.

 

Interesting you mention that, that was alot of what they were trying to work out. If people were watching the minor league gameday, the strike zone overlay on the gameday wasn't matching up with the robo-umps zone on alot of close calls. That's something they wanted to improve upon to reduce confusion of the fans.

[Krylian]

Interesting you mention that, that was alot of what they were trying to work out. If people were watching the minor league gameday, the strike zone overlay on the gameday wasn't matching up with the robo-umps zone on alot of close calls. That's something they wanted to improve upon to reduce confusion of the fans.

 

I didn't know that. I thought for sure they'd sort that out so nothing could be questioned. Like they have in tennis, the graphic is law.

[TwistedLogic]

I don't understand the complaints about ABS not being 100% accurate. I don't care about it being 100% and it doesn't need to be 100% to be a massive improvement.

 

I'll take 98-99% from ABS over these f***ing cartoons behind the plate making the calls themselves any day.

[John_Havok]

I don't understand the complaints about ABS not being 100% accurate. I don't care about it being 100% and it doesn't need to be 100% to be a massive improvement.

 

I'll take 98-99% from ABS over these f***ing cartoons behind the plate making the calls themselves any day.

 

It's because it's new, and new is scary. Also, when something goes wrong we'd rather be able to complain about a human screwing us over than some stupid computer, where there's no real room to debate whether it was a ball or a strike. Human element and all that s*** garbage.

[Laika]

Much of the trouble they had with high and low calls was the heights for players had been reported incorrectly, or wasnt up to date... but then also whether the strike zone would be programmed as the 3D version, or a 2 plane version where only the front of the plate would count.

 

They also experimented with programming a slightly wider zone to be more in line with how how human umps expand slightly.

 

The complaints they got were pretty hilarious though. Like when the catcher sets up outside the zone, the pitch misses the target completely on the inner half and the catcher has to lunge to get it, and still gets called a strike because it did go through the zone. Optically it looked horrendous even though the ball went through the zone.

 

no the lasers find the player's nipples through their jersey with advanced x ray technology

[Spanky99]

I don't understand the complaints about ABS not being 100% accurate. I don't care about it being 100% and it doesn't need to be 100% to be a massive improvement.

 

I'll take 98-99% from ABS over these f***ing cartoons behind the plate making the calls themselves any day.

 

Who's complaining about it?

[Deadpool]

Robo umps won't be 100% but should improve consistency/accuracy, and more importantly, glitches can always be fixed. Human umpires, not so much.

 

Maybe if we had all the umpires fixed, they wouldn't have such ******** defiant attitudes and stop trying to make themselves part of the game.

[TwistedLogic]

Who's complaining about it?

 

I mean in general, it's what gets brought up every time when an automatic strike zone is being discussed, both from fans and from people who cover baseball.

 

"Well aykchually, robo umps still aren't perfect."

 

Well no, but they're still a thousand times better than the garbage we have now.

[Spanky99]

I mean in general, it's what gets brought up every time when an automatic strike zone is being discussed, both from fans and from people who cover baseball.

 

"Well aykchually, robo umps still aren't perfect."

 

Well no, but they're still a thousand times better than the garbage we have now.

 

Ah, I thought you meant the forum. I believe most here want to see it happen, likely in '23.

[max silver]

Ah, I thought you meant the forum. I believe most here want to see it happen, likely in '23.

 

I would make this change today if it were possible.

[Spanky99]

I would make this change today if it were possible.

 

lol... yeah, I mean MLB.