Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[Jonn]

Mo speaks...

 

 

Is this Baseball’s version of @KevinRashidi ? Lol

 

He has me blocked but I see he took advantage of Twitter Blue lol.

[Dick_Pole]

I for one would be very excited if Bellinger came here and don't consider him a reclamation project. Even in a s*** season, he managed 1.7 WAR in 535 PA versus Hernandez 2.4 WAR in 550 PA last year. A 0.7 drop that should apparently be made up with the BP help from the Seattle trade. That 1.7 in value comes in the form of what the Jays need - baserunning, defense and lefty bat. Worst case scenario Bellinger lands somewhere between platoon bat and good Brad Zimmer and puts up 1-ish WAR with his dying skillset used correctly. Best case scenario, this dude receives some Bautista, Smoak and Encarnacion magic and adds about 40 OPS+ belting 40 home runs with a .230 batting average and a WAR that probably approaches 4.

 

On Bellinger's side, the Jays are an ideal match. A playoff team with a good offense but just so happens to have a lack of depth at the position he plays. So he'll get more leash here than he would with the Yankees or Dodgers. But at the same time he can rack up a ton of counting stats if he does produce. The Jays/Dome also have a history of turning guys around. With the aforementioned three plus Semien.

[Krylian]

Is this Baseball’s version of @KevinRashidi ? Lol

 

He has me blocked but I see he took advantage of Twitter Blue lol.

 

He did break the Schneider extension.

[ValiantJaysFan]

https://twitter.com/michaelboboa/status/1594754916740108288?s=46&t=ccjAJG9KmudCKX9A5en0Bw

[JaysAllMighty]

Wasn't he right about this one:

 

[Krylian]

https://twitter.com/michaelboboa/status/1594754916740108288?s=46&t=ccjAJG9KmudCKX9A5en0Bw

 

Boboa Fett

[The_DH]

Agent Scott Boras tells Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic that he’s already received multi-year offers for Bellinger — presumably from teams hoping for the chance to secure a player with star potential at what would be a bargain annual value if they’re successfully able to rehabilitate him. However, pointing to Bellinger’s age (27), Boras suggested that he and Bellinger “most likely… don’t want a multi-year [contract].” MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Blue Jays are among the teams to have expressed early interest in Bellinger, adding that they held some trade discussions surrounding Bellinger prior to his non-tender.

 

There’s good sense to pursuing only contracts that would allow Bellinger to return to the market a year from now. He won’t turn 28 years old until around the 2023 All-Star break, making him the youngest free agent of note this offseason.

[Krylian]

[connorp]

Teoscar had a real bad baserunning year, woof. The only arrow pointing down for Teo is defense. I could see him as a 3 win guy next season.

 

Teo is about the post-season. His skill set is amplified for the post-season. Jays need to get a bat to replace him. I know you guys love slobbing Jansen’s knob, but he’s a .220 .720 OPS lifetime guy. Like if he starts the season on a cold spell, he could honestly be an option candidate. I’m not saying that’s the likely scenario, but he’s super streaky and was below league avg with a month to go last year. It wouldn’t be Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson

 

So even if you have Teo as DH, that’s f***ing huge in the playoffs. WAR and defense be damned at that point

[Eat My Shatkins]

MoLesterSources?

 

No way that's a real legit source is it? LMAO

[Jonn]

MoLesterSources?

 

No way that's a real legit source is it? LMAO

 

Believe it or not MoLester sources is an upgrade over his old hastag

 

[jaysblue]

I for one would be very excited if Bellinger came here and don't consider him a reclamation project. Even in a s*** season, he managed 1.7 WAR in 535 PA versus Hernandez 2.4 WAR in 550 PA last year. A 0.7 drop that should apparently be made up with the BP help from the Seattle trade. That 1.7 in value comes in the form of what the Jays need - baserunning, defense and lefty bat. Worst case scenario Bellinger lands somewhere between platoon bat and good Brad Zimmer and puts up 1-ish WAR with his dying skillset used correctly. Best case scenario, this dude receives some Bautista, Smoak and Encarnacion magic and adds about 40 OPS+ belting 40 home runs with a .230 batting average and a WAR that probably approaches 4.

 

On Bellinger's side, the Jays are an ideal match. A playoff team with a good offense but just so happens to have a lack of depth at the position he plays. So he'll get more leash here than he would with the Yankees or Dodgers. But at the same time he can rack up a ton of counting stats if he does produce. The Jays/Dome also have a history of turning guys around. With the aforementioned three plus Semien.

 

Agree 100%.

 

From Bellinger's perspective, Blue Jays are probably the best match. Team is going to be competitive. They just traded Teo so are in need of an OF replacement, someone who can play CF. He knows playing time here won't be an issue. As well, look at Marcus Semien as a recent example. Signed a 1 year contract in Toronto and rebuilt his value to land a huge contract. Belly is thinking the same thing. Playing 81 games at the Rogers Centre is going to help. Toronto I think is a perfect fit.

[Dick_Pole]

Other than the obvious molester thing, the number of people in this world who have the first name Mohammad and last name Lester is zero. Even if Jon Lester was to convert to Islam, he'd do some Cat Stevens s*** to his full name.

[BTS]

Who the f*** is MoLester?

[connorp]

Who the f*** is MoLester?

 

Clearly a guy outside the mainstream, and therefore not in the know

[Deadpool]

Another Twitter rando with thoughts:

 

 

[BTS]

[max silver]

Teo is about the post-season. His skill set is amplified for the post-season. Jays need to get a bat to replace him. I know you guys love slobbing Jansen’s knob, but he’s a .220 .720 OPS lifetime guy. Like if he starts the season on a cold spell, he could honestly be an option candidate. I’m not saying that’s the likely scenario, but he’s super streaky and was below league avg with a month to go last year. It wouldn’t be Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson

 

So even if you have Teo as DH, that’s f***ing huge in the playoffs. WAR and defense be damned at that point

 

Are you for real man? Jansen has put up a 124 WRC+ in the last two seasons and been worth 4.0 WAR in about a seasons worth of play for a starting catcher. Even you can surely recognize that when a player legitimately breaks out with the bat his previous output becomes far less important.

[Spanky99]

MoLester lmao

 

Hahahaha... he hooks large amounts of people.

[Dick_Pole]

Teo is about the post-season. His skill set is amplified for the post-season. Jays need to get a bat to replace him. I know you guys love slobbing Jansen’s knob, but he’s a .220 .720 OPS lifetime guy. Like if he starts the season on a cold spell, he could honestly be an option candidate. I’m not saying that’s the likely scenario, but he’s super streaky and was below league avg with a month to go last year. It wouldn’t be Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson

 

So even if you have Teo as DH, that’s f***ing huge in the playoffs. WAR and defense be damned at that point

 

I don't get what you're saying? Hernandez has played in four playoff games, had one good game out of four, and lost all four of them. Not exactly Reggie Jackson. I don't see how his skillset is any more important than any other everyday position player. If any skillset has been amplified in playoff baseball over the last few years it's been lights-out BP pitching. Which is what the Jays supposedly got for him.

[Laika]

Bellinger is going to want Toronto. It seems too obvious.

 

Whether or not Toronto wants him is the question. Depends on what they think of his defense and his chances to help at all offensively. They’ll be weighing this against what they are being told Kiermaier wants, and whatever their trade discussions are so far.

[Spanky99]

Teo is about the post-season. His skill set is amplified for the post-season. Jays need to get a bat to replace him. I know you guys love slobbing Jansen’s knob, but he’s a .220 .720 OPS lifetime guy. Like if he starts the season on a cold spell, he could honestly be an option candidate. I’m not saying that’s the likely scenario, but he’s super streaky and was below league avg with a month to go last year. It wouldn’t be Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson

 

So even if you have Teo as DH, that’s f***ing huge in the playoffs. WAR and defense be damned at that point

 

WTF are you rambling on about, lmao.

[Dick_Pole]

Bellinger's not signing for 2/16. He will take 1/8 or 2/50 but not 2/16. That should be your first sanity check on these Twitter spammers.

[Brownie19]

Bellinger's not signing for 2/16. He will take 1/8 or 2/50 but not 2/16. That should be your first sanity check on these Twitter spammers.

 

Don't forget the opt out. It could be a 1 year $12M deal with a year 2 opt out. So it's basically a 1 year deal unless Belly is f***ing awful, in which case, he'll stick around for $4M in 2024...BUT yes, MoLester - don't get too excited yet (I'm not 100% sure I'm excited to start with).

[BTS]

The casuals would hate Bellinger so much. The whining will be incessant if he puts up 2.5 WAR on a 0.210 average, a 27% K rate, and nothing but massive swings at everything.

[RobinThicc]

Bellinger is absolute garbage at the plate.

[Laika]

The casuals would hate Bellinger so much. The whining will be incessant if he puts up 2.5 WAR on a 0.210 average, a 27% K rate, and nothing but massive swings at everything.

 

Yup

 

They hated Chapman for most of the year

 

Have never liked Biggio

[Deadpool]

Bellinger's not signing for 2/16. He will take 1/8 or 2/50 but not 2/16. That should be your first sanity check on these Twitter spammers.

 

2/16 with an opt out? That's WAY better for him than 1/8.

[BTS]

I saw that Jimbo

[Dick_Pole]

The casuals would hate Bellinger so much. The whining will be incessant if he puts up 2.5 WAR on a 0.210 average, a 27% K rate, and nothing but massive swings at everything.

 

A few Pillar-like plays in CF would fix that right up. Does this dude have any highlights of him eating grass? Or is his defensive value all good reads?