General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Stangstag]

Springer exhausted from his ab's the night before.

 

 

 

Also continuing the trend of resting Kirk and Jansen every 2nd day. These guys…

[Omar]

Also continuing the trend of resting Kirk and Jansen every 2nd day. These guys…

 

No swet we got our sluggers in the 8 and 9 hole.

[Laika]

I'm just happy Jano is moving up

[JFD]

Vlad should focus on barreling everything to right field until pitchers are afraid to pitch him away

[Omar]

[Docsav]

I like that

[connorp]

At what point can we admit Berrios is a huge disappointment. For this season. Holy s*** with the sunshine up the ass crew. He’s been putrid

[Olerud363]

At what point can we admit Berrios is a huge disappointment. For this season. Holy s*** with the sunshine up the ass crew. He’s been putrid

 

He's been terrible and velocity was down today... not sure what is up. Injury?

[Stangstag]

At what point can we admit Berrios is a huge disappointment. For this season. Holy s*** with the sunshine up the ass crew. He’s been putrid

 

He’s definitely been bad. Looking at his entire body of work, he should be a lot better than this. Even last season he was pretty good for us, especially down the stretch vs the Yankees.

 

Massive disappointment so far this year. Hope turns it around soon. I don’t expect him to be this bad going forward

[THANOS]

He’s definitely been bad. Looking at his entire body of work, he should be a lot better than this. Even last season he was pretty good for us, especially down the stretch vs the Yankees.

 

Massive disappointment so far this year. Hope turns it around soon. I don’t expect him to be this bad going forward

 

It's crazy. I hadn't looked it up, but Arden jus said Berrios is bottom 10% in the league in most underlying metrics.

 

That's horrendous.

[Stangstag]

It's crazy. I hadn't looked it up, but Arden jus said Berrios is bottom 10% in the league in most underlying metrics.

 

That's horrendous.

 

I can live with his contract as a mid-rotation 2/3 starter… but can’t be paying a guy this much to produce numbers worse than most 5th starters.

[Jonn]

I can live with his contract as a mid-rotation 2/3 starter… but can’t be paying a guy this much to produce numbers worse than most 5th starters.

 

He wasn’t an Ace. But it was pretty safe to say he was going to pitch atleast like #3 the next 5 seasons. A lot ot his numbers jump out of you for being historically bad but he’s just not missing bats the way he has in the past.

[L54]

At what point can we admit Berrios is a huge disappointment. For this season. Holy s*** with the sunshine up the ass crew. He’s been putrid

 

Ya but what’s his xFIP??

[Laika]

At what point can we admit Berrios is a huge disappointment. For this season. Holy s*** with the sunshine up the ass crew. He’s been putrid

 

The Why part is more interesting than throwing him in one bucket or the other.

 

Like, his stuff is not any worse. What's the problem? I haven't looked into it much

[L54]

Ground ball rate down 10%, lowest Swst% of his career, highest EV and most barrels ever. All of this in the midst of the worst hitting environment he’s pitched in.

 

Weird. I don’t know why he sucks right now but hopefully we get a second half Berrios that lowers his ERA to the career norm of 4.00

[Laika]

Ground ball rate down 10%, lowest Swst% of his career, highest EV and most barrels ever. All of this in the midst of the worst hitting environment he’s pitched in.

 

Weird. I don’t know why he sucks right now but hopefully we get a second half Berrios that lowers his ERA to the career norm of 4.00

 

Those are all results measurements

 

Is there anything at the process level that is off?

 

I think I looked two weeks ago and couldn't find anything obvious. Velo and movement all seem normal. I guess his command could just be off but that still makes you ask why.

[connorp]

The Why part is more interesting than throwing him in one bucket or the other.

 

Like, his stuff is not any worse. What's the problem? I haven't looked into it much

 

Maybe something is his delivery changed, maybe he knows his wife is banging some other guy. He just sucks rn. Its up to the people getting paid to fix it to figure it out. But if there was an obvious solution, he wouldn’t be still dropping feces on field regularly

[Jimcanuck]

Tipping pitches possibly, but most likely its location / command.

[gruber92]

Tipping pitches possibly, but most likely its location / command.

 

Yeah but now his velocity is down, it's a bit concerning.

[Laika]

Yeah but now his velocity is down, it's a bit concerning.

 

Was it down today? Significantly?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Was poking around the Bisons pitching stats, and I'm wondering when does Jeremy Beasley get another kick at the can with the Jays?

 

He seems to have gotten a handle on his control issues with a 2.7 BB/9 and is still sporting a 10.46 K/9 with a 1.01 ERA / 3.02 FIP in 26.2 innings.

[gruber92]

Was it down today? Significantly?

 

Yeah.. Sitting 92

[gruber92]

Was poking around the Bisons pitching stats, and I'm wondering when does Jeremy Beasley get another kick at the can with the Jays?

 

He seems to have gotten a handle on his control issues with a 2.7 BB/9 and is still sporting a 10.46 K/9 with a 1.01 ERA / 3.02 FIP in 26.2 innings.

 

Maybe tomorrow

[max silver]

Was poking around the Bisons pitching stats, and I'm wondering when does Jeremy Beasley get another kick at the can with the Jays?

 

He seems to have gotten a handle on his control issues with a 2.7 BB/9 and is still sporting a 10.46 K/9 with a 1.01 ERA / 3.02 FIP in 26.2 innings.

 

I had made the same observation how he looks to have ironed out his command issues. He looks to be serving as a multi inning reliever which would likely be of great use. Merryweather is a prime candidate to be sent back down to AAA given how ineffective he's been.

[BigCecil]

Captain Kirk all of a sudden a 116 wRC+ and enhanced D value if he is needed for a deal. 8.9% K rate. Tattoo even scored 4 runs last night. Speed!

[jaysblue]

Berrios is no ace, but can be a solid No. 2/3 with a little more jazz. Wish he could get his K/9 up and I wouldn't be too worried. If he can do what AJ Burnett did here over his contract, I'll be happy!

[Jimcanuck]

Long season folks. There are other pitchers out there underperforming expectations. The lower FB velocity may simply be an adjustment to try and get better command and build from there.

[jaysblue]

Long season folks. There are other pitchers out there underperforming expectations. The lower FB velocity may simply be an adjustment to try and get better command and build from there.

 

A lot of people do forget it's a long season, for both hitters and pitchers. If Berrios was like 34 or 35, would worry a bit, though he's still only 28. As long as he's healthy and there is no underlying health concern with his elbow or shoulder, I think he'll make the adjustments.

[connorp]

Long season folks. There are other pitchers out there underperforming expectations. The lower FB velocity may simply be an adjustment to try and get better command and build from there.

 

If he pitches to his career norms from here out, it’ll still be a s*** season for what we hoped he’d be

[Sammy225]

A lot of people do forget it's a long season, for both hitters and pitchers. If Berrios was like 34 or 35, would worry a bit, though he's still only 28. As long as he's healthy and there is no underlying health concern with his elbow or shoulder, I think he'll make the adjustments.

 

That’s what I’m concerned with in regards is velo being down in ideal conditions yesterday