[Rosenthal] - Jays still going after Ramirez to play 2B?

[Jays24]

Not to be too hyperbolic but Guerrero-Ramirez-Bichette-Chapman would be one of the greatest infields ever assembled.

 

Ya I was listening to Moresi tall about that infields potential to be one of the best infield today. I was like that would be one of the best infield of all time lol.

[Grant77]

Not to be too hyperbolic but Guerrero-Ramirez-Bichette-Chapman would be one of the greatest infields ever assembled.

 

The 1912-14 Philadelphia Athletics infield of Stuffy McInnis, Eddie Collins, Jack Barry, and Home Run Baker amassed 79.3 WAR over that span, which is roughly 7 WAR per player, per season.

[Jays24]

I doubt we're extending Teo, Gurriel or Chapman.

 

Bo and Vladdy will command north or 30M AAV in their extensions. We're at 160M give or take right now.

 

I know Ryu's 20M and Grichuk's 11M will be off the books in 2 seasons, but that only covers 1 of them.

 

If you give extensions to all of those guys, you run a payroll north of 270M likely.

 

With just Bo and Vlad, it's likely 220M.

 

So if we're not extending all those guys because we're going to be financially strapped, we will need young prospects to take their place no? Otherwise there will be a drastic drop off in terms of talent a few years from now.

 

We are just in the beginning of our contending window, let's not make shortsighted moves that will make this era only last a few seasons. The whole difference between AA going all in for 2015 was because of the ages of our core players. We're in a completely different situation right now.

[Krylian]

Not to be too hyperbolic but Guerrero-Ramirez-Bichette-Chapman would be one of the greatest infields ever assembled.

 

'09 Yankees were pretty good.

 

Teixera

Cano

Jeter

Rodriguez

[Stangstag]

I doubt we're extending Teo, Gurriel or Chapman.

 

Bo and Vladdy will command north or 30M AAV in their extensions. We're at 160M give or take right now.

 

I know Ryu's 20M and Grichuk's 11M will be off the books in 2 seasons, but that only covers 1 of them.

 

If you give extensions to all of those guys, you run a payroll north of 270M likely.

 

With just Bo and Vlad, it's likely 220M.

 

Im feeling Vlad will stay but Bo will walk. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing, don’t have to keep every homegrown player

[Stangstag]

'09 Yankees were pretty good.

 

Teixera

Cano

Jeter

Rodriguez

 

ASTERISK reeeee

[Krylian]

Im feeling Vlad will stay but Bo will walk. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing, don’t have to keep every homegrown player

 

But would you rather him walk or maximize the return and deal him?

[Angrioter]

Not to be too hyperbolic but Guerrero-Ramirez-Bichette-Chapman would be one of the greatest infields ever assembled.

Donaldson, Tulo, Travis, Smoak🤣

[Dick_Pole]

The 1912-14 Philadelphia Athletics infield of Stuffy McInnis, Eddie Collins, Jack Barry, and Home Run Baker amassed 79.3 WAR over that span, which is roughly 7 WAR per player, per season.

 

Give this man some credit. It took him no more than nine minutes to look that up. Unless he had this factoid ready in preparation for an opportunity to display it.

[Spanky99]

Give this man some credit. It took him no more than nine minutes to look that up. Unless he had this factoid ready in preparation for an opportunity to display it.

 

lol...damn!

[Grant77]

Give this man some credit. It took him no more than nine minutes to look that up. Unless he had this factoid ready in preparation for an opportunity to display it.

 

I like to memorize all factoids related to Stuffy McInnis in case it comes up in a conversation.

[Spanky99]

I like to memorize all factoids related to Stuffy McInnis in case it comes up in a conversation.

 

In the Soo... there's more ball fans aside from you?

[Grant77]

In the Soo... there's more ball fans aside from you?

 

Just one or two haha.

[Spanky99]

Just one or two haha.

 

Thought so, hockey, curling and golf, hahaha.

[THANOS]

So if we're not extending all those guys because we're going to be financially strapped, we will need young prospects to take their place no? Otherwise there will be a drastic drop off in terms of talent a few years from now.

 

We are just in the beginning of our contending window, let's not make shortsighted moves that will make this era only last a few seasons. The whole difference between AA going all in for 2015 was because of the ages of our core players. We're in a completely different situation right now.

 

The young prospects are Groshans, Martinez, & Moreno and maybe others by then.

[Eat My Shatkins]

The thought of adding Ramirez to this team is boner inducing, but I don't think it's needed right now, especially at the rumored cost.

 

I kind of want to see if Biggio can bounce back, or if a juiced Espinal can do what he did last year but with a touch more pop in the bat. If either (or both of) those guys have strong years we'll be glad we hung on to all of Moreno, Martinez, Groshans or anyone else Cleveland might want.

[connorp]

The thought of adding Ramirez to this team is boner inducing, but I don't think it's needed right now, especially at the rumored cost.

 

I kind of want to see if Biggio can bounce back, or if a juiced Espinal can do what he did last year but with a touch more pop in the bat. If either (or both of) those guys have strong years we'll be glad we hung on to all of Moreno, Martinez, Groshans or anyone else Cleveland might want.

 

As soon as Espy gets to 5hr they’re going to be waiting for him with a piss cup lol

[Dr. Dinger]

The thought of adding Ramirez to this team is boner inducing, but I don't think it's needed right now, especially at the rumored cost.

 

There's no such thing as not needing Jose Ramirez.

[vaff]

There's no such thing as not needing Jose Ramirez.

 

There’s also the argument that the Jays are at the point of the win curve where additional wins mean the most. As noted in this article about the Chapman trade:

 

Crucially, Chapman also gives a boost to their chances in an extremely tight division race. With the their acquisition of Anthony Rizzo, the Yankees vaulted into a tie at the top of the AL East – before adding Chapman, we gave both teams a roughly 40% chance of winning the division. That division title is crucially important – in the new playoff format, the winner of the East is likely to receive a first-round bye, while the second place team braves a three-game Wild Card series. It’s also important to stay ahead of at least one of the other two division winners as well, and that too looked like a tight race, with the Astros and White Sox both projected within three wins of Toronto.

 

In other words, the Blue Jays are at the point of the win curve where additional help matters most. With so many evenly-matched teams at the top of the AL, every win could matter. The Blue Jays just found a way to add roughly three of them. The other AL contenders are surely furious at Toronto’s good fortune.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/oakland-capitulates-and-toronto-capitalizes-in-chapman-for-prospects-swap/

[RobinThicc]

Would you do this deal?

 

Biggio*

Gurriell*

Kirk

Martinez

 

*in the deal based on Baerga saying Biggio is in the deal and Cleveland is interested in Gurriell.

 

This was a pretty even trade on baseball trade value

[HERPDERP]

Would you do this deal?

 

Biggio*

Gurriell*

Kirk

Martinez

 

*in the deal based on Baerga saying Biggio is in the deal and Cleveland is interested in Gurriell.

 

This was a pretty even trade on baseball trade value

 

I'd prefer not to give up Gurriel as he is a regular contributor to the team. I know his year over year numbers don't look great but he finished the season hot in Aug/Sep being more patient. It would hurt the clubhouse too. Perhaps there are some middle tier prospects we can offer

[Jimcanuck]

Would you do this deal?

 

Biggio*

Gurriell*

Kirk

Martinez

 

*in the deal based on Baerga saying Biggio is in the deal and Cleveland is interested in Gurriell.

 

This was a pretty even trade on baseball trade value

 

I’d do it before the Chapman acquisition, it’s a fair deal. But now would rather keep these assets for in season deals for the inevitable needs that will arise.

[Laika]

Would you do this deal?

 

Biggio*

Gurriell*

Kirk

Martinez

 

*in the deal based on Baerga saying Biggio is in the deal and Cleveland is interested in Gurriell.

 

This was a pretty even trade on baseball trade value

 

On paper yeah but right now not so sure.

 

That is a huge upgrade on 2B (4+ wins) but also makes Jansen the 100% catcher until Moreno is ready and Grichuk a full time OF, representing two downgrades. So Orelvis Martinez gets burned and in the short term the MLB team gets better but not immensely better. And depth goes from decent to shaky.

 

I would probably do it if Cleveland could add some bit pieces that would make Toronto's roster better constructed in the immediate term. Not sure they have those pieces though.

[Olerud363]

Donaldson, Tulo, Travis, Smoak🤣

 

Donaldson, Tulo, Travis, Smoak - I think the first three played 160 games between them while Smoak replaced EEs production in an amazing year. Would have been interesting if Tulo and Travis weren't glass

 

Olerud, Alomar, Fernandez, Sprague - hmmm

Olerud, Alomar, Fernandez, Molitor - This infield played together 2 games in Philadelphia in October 1993. 22-23 fWAR in 1993 with Fernandez only there 2/3 of the season, and Molitor getting a huge hit for being a DH most of the time.

 

There it is. Greatest infield of all time, estimated 26 WAR if they played together for a full season

 

John Olerud

Paul Molitor

Tony Fernandez

Roberto Alomar

[JaysAllMighty]

Would you do this deal?

 

Biggio*

Gurriell*

Kirk

Martinez

 

*in the deal based on Baerga saying Biggio is in the deal and Cleveland is interested in Gurriell.

 

This was a pretty even trade on baseball trade value

 

We have Chapman and ready to go. No need to lose more assets.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Would you do this deal?

 

Biggio*

Gurriell*

Kirk

Martinez

 

*in the deal based on Baerga saying Biggio is in the deal and Cleveland is interested in Gurriell.

 

This was a pretty even trade on baseball trade value

 

Maybe I'd do it, as long as the Jays could get Conforto to sign and take Gurriels OF spot.

 

Otherwise we'd be making two holes in order to fill one hole that might not even be a hole.

 

"That's what she said!"

[Jays24]

Baerga said on his Instagram Live that there's a 85% chance Ramirez becomes a Jay. Now whether happens now or at the trade deadline depending on how Cleveland is doing is TBD.

[Stangstag]

Baerga said on his Instagram Live that there's a 85% chance Ramirez becomes a Jay. Now whether happens now or at the trade deadline depending on how Cleveland is doing is TBD.

 

Well i guess its better than the 70% chance we had to sign Freeman

[Brownie19]

what's the story with Baerga - is he trying to be a reporter now? Or he's just bored in retirement, so he tried to stick his nose in and get leads and posts s*** on twitter.

[JaysAllMighty]

what's the story with Baerga - is he trying to be a reporter now? Or he's just bored in retirement, so he tried to stick his nose in and get leads and posts s*** on twitter.

 

You do strange things when you're retired... just for the fun of it. It's like being on a permanent vacation.