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Please tell me the return is good. I was still a believer in Tellez and would have given up only after next season since we still had an option left.
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Please tell me the return is good. I was still a believer in Tellez and would have given up only after next season since we still had an option left.

 

Trevor Richards as of now

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Shi Bomb. Pretty good numbers on this lad

 

Francis has had statistical success through the upper minors by relying on plus command of three fringe pitches. He added a slider for this year and now has four distinct offerings, of which the slider has quickly become the best. It’s also hard, which is important because Francis’ curveball is a low-70s rainbow, averaging about 73 mph, while the slider has been up to 87 and sits a bit below that. He has a power pitcher’s style with soft stuff, but Francis feel to pitch is excellent and I think he can stick toward the back of a rotation.

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This is a nice little trade. Rowdy had no place on the club after Vladdy claimed the full time position at first base. Turning him into controllable bullpen help and adding a depth starter on top of that is good business.

 

How is Richards likely to be deployed? It looks like the bulk of his innings have been in low leverage situations up to this point, but with the Jays needing help closer to the back end of the bullpen perhaps he'll see some leverage situations from time to time.

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Trevor Richards has been a stud in Milwaukee. This is a great trade b
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Sick trade

 

f*** you Rowdy, I knew you sucked and went on the record about it and then you had to go and embarrass me with a mirage 133 wRC+ during the 2020 scam season

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Tellez reunited with Shaw and Vogelbach to form a great offensive line for the Packers... i mean Brewers lol.
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I like the deal as well. Richards is a solid swingman whose stuff appears to have ticked up as a reliever. Definitely a big improvement over whatever reliever he jettisons from the roster.

 

I like this Francis guy as well. Getting him on the cusp of the majors is nice as he retains all 3 options and at a minimum should serve as rotation depth for the next few years. Perhaps if he hits his ~75th percentile projections he can become a #4 SP or something.

 

All for the cost of Rowdy Tellez who is probably a little better than this board gives him credit for but also someone who we really don't have a spot for anymore.

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Ross Atkins is cornering the market on perfectly cromulent middle relievers
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Cimber and Richards are both 2025 Free Agents.

 

Pretty wild that Atkins turned Tellez and Panik into two potential bullpen mainstays each with 3.5 years of control remaining.

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This is a nice little trade. Rowdy had no place on the club after Vladdy claimed the full time position at first base. Turning him into controllable bullpen help and adding a depth starter on top of that is good business.

 

How is Richards likely to be deployed? It looks like the bulk of his innings have been in low leverage situations up to this point, but with the Jays needing help closer to the back end of the bullpen perhaps he'll see some leverage situations from time to time.

 

Yeah Richards can be a solid swingman and this year looks to be a solid middle reliever since switching to the pen full time. Since our pen sucks so bad he, like Cimber, probably gets higher priority innings then he should but adding the two of them helps.

 

Next year, if the Jays manage to fix the bullpen through the trade deadline and offseason, maybe Richards goes back to being a swingman for us. His versatility is great.

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Cimber and Richards are both 2025 Free Agents.

 

Pretty wild that Atkins turned Tellez and Panik into two potential bullpen mainstays each with 3.5 years of control remaining.

 

Does anyone know off the top of their heads what happens with cromulent relievers like Cimber and Richards during their abritration years? Do they typically get tendered?

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This is a fantastic trade. Sifting through Richards baseball-savant numbers, seems like he’s throwing almost exclusively fastball-changeup, both of which have ticked up in velocity this season. The Brewers do great work with having pitchers fiddle with their pitch mix and pitcher development in general, so I think we got a steal here for a relatively superfluous piece in Rowdy Tellez.

 

Anyone got a scouting report on Bowden Francis? His upper minors numbers as a starter seem super intriguing. 7th round pick in 2017 who is improving year over year, so not exactly nothing.

 

Tellez was on a fast track to DFA territory, so I’m kind of shocked we got two good pieces here.

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Cimber and Richards are both 2025 Free Agents.

 

Pretty wild that Atkins turned Tellez and Panik into two potential bullpen mainstays each with 3.5 years of control remaining.

 

Indeed

 

For two guys most of us didn't want on the roster anyway

 

Espinal is better than Panik even though Montoyo doesn't seem to realize it

 

Tellez was just taking up bench space and a lot of it

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Indeed

 

Two guys most of us didn't want on the roster anyway

 

Espinal is better than Panik even though Montoyo doesn't seem to realize it

 

And Tellez was just taking up bench space and a lot of it

 

Also Dickerson makes Tellez redundant and a waste of a roster spot

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Does anyone know off the top of their heads what happens with cromulent relievers like Cimber and Richards during their abritration years? Do they typically get tendered?

 

Recent history would say don't expect them to be tendered all the way through arb. I know 2021 was an aberration of a year but look at some of the relievers non-tendered:

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/list-of-non-tendered-free-agents-2020-21

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Does anyone know off the top of their heads what happens with cromulent relievers like Cimber and Richards during their abritration years? Do they typically get tendered?

 

They will almost certainly be tendered if they are decent enough. The only teams that go this route are cheaper orgs like the Rays who think they can allocate resources better with the extra cash.

 

These type of relievers don't cost that much at all. Reliever salaries rise with saves since it's still such an antiquated system.

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