Trade Deadline Rumors and Discussion Thread 2021

[The Cats Ass]

I would be livid. How do you not get something for those 2

 

I could see them holding if they were playing .500, but they’re the 3rd worst record in the NL and 15 games under .500

[KevinGregg]

 

Pearson is my favourite, I’m so happy we kept him

[Slade]

 

What a deadline!

[Olerud363]

He replaced Joe Panik, so he actually will move the needle a bit.

 

Dickerson could be surprisingly good. He's a really cool hitter. When healthy he has pop and very solid bat to ball skills, albeit a very aggressive approach.

Young Corey Dickerson had a hitting profile very much like Bo Bichette's. That's not even an exaggeration.

 

Middle aged Grichuk + Dickerson in platoon = Bichette

 

That is an exaggeration but maybe not a huge one. These guys could hit .280 .325 .490 as partners.

[Spanky99]

He's standing pat, save for a few arms.

 

Whoops, lol.

[Spanky99]

Elite SP/RP John Gant!

 

Hahaha... I was waiting for this.

[Spanky99]

Players play to win and if the organization does not, then most probably you are going to have some unhappy campers. And unhappy campers may not want to resign.

 

If the organization demonstrates that they believe in the players on the team by supporting them with some moves, then players like Ray and other free agents are more likely to sign.

 

If you go into free agency with the reputation of an organization that is always looking to the future collecting prospects, you will probably have a more difficult time trying to sign top tier talent that wants to win now.

 

This^^^

[Spanky99]

 

What a deadline!

 

Bananas!

[Carlos Danger]

Does Berrios cost the Jays one of their upper echelon prospects?

 

Ahhh yea....!!!

[JFD]

Apparently the Jays made an attempt to get Ramirez? I hope they continue to pursue him. I couldn't think of a more perfect fit with Vladdy. Two studs on the corner infield positions would be epic.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Apparently the Jays made an attempt to get Ramirez? I hope they continue to pursue him. I couldn't think of a more perfect fit with Vladdy. Two studs on the corner infield positions would be epic.

 

I'd be frightened at what that would cost in prospect capital.

 

But good lord he would be an amazing add to this roster, fill a huge hole in the field and also add a productive switch hitting bat.

[saskjayfan]

Imagine being a Rockies fan and seeing all the prospects getting thrown around while holding onto Jon Gray and Story. Just to see them leave this year in free agency

 

They could have got rid of Story and Marquez revamped their farm. The losses would have started to mount this year and next. Why get the 6th or 7th pick in the draft when top 3 or 4 picks are within your grasp this year and next. They have zero chance over the next two years.

[Jays24]

They could have got rid of Story and Marquez revamped their farm. The losses would have started to mount this year and next. Why get the 6th or 7th pick in the draft when top 3 or 4 picks are within your grasp this year and next. They have zero chance over the next two years.

 

I'm sure our package of Martin, Woods-Richardson and toss in Biggio for Marquez and Story would have happened if the Rockies weren't so stupid. Both sides would have been better off.

[connorp]

Apparently they plan to discuss extending Gray and he’s open to it. They said all the Story offers were underwhelming and if there was anything close it probably would’ve made it over the finish line. He is rocking a 84 wRC. They said comp pick felt like best bet

[Laika]

Apparently they plan to discuss extending Gray and he’s open to it. They said all the Story offers were underwhelming and if there was anything close it probably would’ve made it over the finish line. He is rocking a 84 wRC. They said comp pick felt like best bet

 

Yeah but "they" are f***ing retarded and probably wrong.

 

Even if all they were offered for Story was Alex Canario or Pete Crow Armstrong, that's better than a comp pick.

[connorp]

Looking at Bryant- who is having good season, although slowing down… hard to think comp pick for Story was a horrible idea

[connorp]

Yeah but "they" are f***ing retarded and probably wrong.

 

Even if all they were offered for Story was Alex Canario or Pete Crow Armstrong, that's better than a comp pick.

 

Yeah except Bryant isn’t garbage this year, so subtract from his deal and then judge

[Laika]

Yeah except Bryant isn’t garbage this year, so subtract from his deal and then judge

 

Story would project better ROS, easily. It's not like his peripherals are alarming. Probably just not motivated because he plays for a trash org.

 

It's a given that some team was offering something for Story equal to what we saw move for these other veteran bats

[connorp]

Story would project better ROS, easily. It's not like his peripherals are alarming. Probably just not motivated because he plays for a trash org.

 

It's a given that some team was offering something for Story equal to what we saw move for these other veteran bats

 

Here’s another thing “they” said:

 

 

interim GM Bill Schmidt explained. “Depending where the pick is, it’s probably a couple million dollars added to your [signing] pool money that you’re able to use throughout the Draft. So it’s just not that player. It might be a couple other players.

 

“But with that pick, that was where Trevor was drafted. Nolan [Arenado] was in the vicinity, Ryan McMahon -- we’ve had some success. We’ve had some misses, but we’ve had a lot of success in those areas.”

 

Hard to call that a logic fail. Honestly I’d rather have a Round A comp pick than even Canaria. Isn’t even in High A at 21 and struggling hard. I’d rather have the re-do

[John_Havok]

Here’s another thing “they” said:

 

 

interim GM Bill Schmidt explained. “Depending where the pick is, it’s probably a couple million dollars added to your [signing] pool money that you’re able to use throughout the Draft. So it’s just not that player. It might be a couple other players.

 

“But with that pick, that was where Trevor was drafted. Nolan [Arenado] was in the vicinity, Ryan McMahon -- we’ve had some success. We’ve had some misses, but we’ve had a lot of success in those areas.”

 

Hard to call that a logic fail. Honestly I’d rather have a Round A comp pick than even Canaria. Isn’t even in High A at 21 and struggling hard. I’d rather have the re-do

 

He's just trying to silver lining a bad scenario. In almost no universes is a comp pick better than a known quantity. Yeah, it COULD be, but it's not the likely scenario.

 

I'm glad he has the confidence in his drafting, but that's just hoping to make the best of a bad situation.

[connorp]

He's just trying to silver lining a bad scenario. In almost no universes is a comp pick better than a known quantity. Yeah, it COULD be, but it's not the likely scenario.

 

I'm glad he has the confidence in his drafting, but that's just hoping to make the best of a bad situation.

 

Take your obvious hate of the Rockies org out of the equation and just honestly say if you’d rather have a draft pick right out of the 1st round or Canario. And even if you take Canario, is it a no-brainer?

[connorp]

Or if you want a real world metaphor think of having a $5 winner on a $5 scratched off lottery game, or an unscratched $5 ticket from same game (which is worth less)? Returns for Bryant, Escobar, etc are likely org guys

[Laika]

Here’s another thing “they” said:

 

 

interim GM Bill Schmidt explained. “Depending where the pick is, it’s probably a couple million dollars added to your [signing] pool money that you’re able to use throughout the Draft. So it’s just not that player. It might be a couple other players.

 

“But with that pick, that was where Trevor was drafted. Nolan [Arenado] was in the vicinity, Ryan McMahon -- we’ve had some success. We’ve had some misses, but we’ve had a lot of success in those areas.”

 

Hard to call that a logic fail. Honestly I’d rather have a Round A comp pick than even Canaria. Isn’t even in High A at 21 and struggling hard. I’d rather have the re-do

 

What he said is stupid. It's their logic, but a good glimpse at why they are the worst organization in baseball.

[connorp]

What he said is stupid. It's their logic, but a good glimpse at why they are the worst organization in baseball.

 

Well, answer my question 2 posts up

[Laika]

Well, answer my question 2 posts up

 

Canario is a 45 FV prospect. Fangraphs said there were only 23 45 FV or better prospects in the 2021 draft. So yeah, Canario is better than a comp round pick.

 

He's also not really struggling this year. He's treading water. The overall slashline is average but he's showing some power and speed without striking out at an egregious clip.

 

And the Cubs for a second piece for Bryant. Caleb Kilian has really good numbers.

 

The Rockies also have a dogshit draft record recently so it's not like the GM can lean on a great drafting and developing org. They are one of the worst. Almost all of their top few rounds picks in recent years suck or are just bit players.

[connorp]

Canario is a 45 FV prospect. Fangraphs said there were only 23 45 FV or better prospects in the 2021 draft. So yeah, Canario is better than a comp round pick.

 

He's also not really struggling this year. He's treading water. The overall slashline is average but he's showing some power and speed without striking out at an egregious clip.

 

And the Cubs for a second piece for Bryant. Caleb Kilian has really good numbers.

 

The Rockies also have a dogshit draft record recently so it's not like the GM can lean on a great drafting and developing org. They are one of the worst. Almost all of their top few rounds picks in recent years suck or are just bit players.

 

Nice way to answer a question without really answering the question. You sound like a lawyer

[Laika]

Nice way to answer a question without really answering the question. You sound like a lawyer

 

What, you meant for me to address your stupid scratch ticket metaphor? Lmao no.

 

You've died on a lot of weird hills in your posting life but "The Rockies are actually right and good to not sell during the most seller favourable trade deadline in MLB history" might be the f***ing weirdest.

[connorp]

What, you meant for me to address your stupid scratch ticket metaphor? Lmao no.

 

You've died on a lot of weird hills in your posting life but "The Rockies are actually right and good to not sell during the most seller favourable trade deadline in MLB history" might be the f***ing weirdest.

 

No. You just replied that basically Canario was worth slightly more than the draft slot in a vacuum (which I didn’t deny). You didn’t say which you’d actually prefer the Jays to have gotten in a trade

[Laika]

No. You just replied that basically Canario was worth slightly more than the draft slot in a vacuum (which I didn’t deny). You didn’t say which you’d actually prefer the Jays to have gotten in a trade

 

Fangraphs ranked all the prospects traded at the deadline. They also included "compensatory pick" because of the Bryant thing.

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ranking-the-prospects-traded-during-the-2021-deadline/

 

Pretty hard to argue that Colorado would not have received more than the comp pick. Brian got a player a tier above the pick PLUS a player equal to the pick.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Laika

[Brownie19]

Interesting. I find a few things interesting:

 

1. They rate SWR over Austin Martin (although only by 1 spot)

2. PCA seems low on the list