The Blue Jays sever all ties with Roberto Alomar after sexual misconduct review

[Jays24]

Did you expect Alomar to issue a statement that the allegations are true and apologize for being a scumbag? C'mon man.

 

Nah but he could stfu all together. Fact he didn't does make you ponder what will eventually happen. None of us know s*** about the incident so I'll choose to wait before getting out my pitchfork.

[Tacoma]

Yikes. Do we have any information on this allegation? Other than it was back in 2014.

 

I always find it interesting that organizations like MLB do their own investigation and take action before the legal system does anything (perhaps I'm assuming they are pressing charges).

 

According to MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred who hired an external law firm to independently investigate the allegation:

 

"Having reviewed all of the available evidence from the now completed investigation, I have concluded that Mr. Alomar violated MLBÂ’s policies, and that termination of his consultant contract and placement on the MLBÂ’s Ineligible List are warranted."

 

That they would take this drastic step before the case is proven in a court of law must mean that the evidence is pretty damning. Or maybe they're taking a zero tolerance policy after an ESPN report in January against the NY Mets for workplace sexual harassment.

 

Jane Forbes Clark, Chairman of the Board at the Baseball Hall of Fame, said the Hall was "shocked and saddened" by Alomar's actions, but Alomar's plaque at the Hall, which depicts Alomar wearing a Blue Jays cap, will remain on display.

 

PS: This topic goes beyond the general Jays discussion and really should be its own separate thread.

[Spanky99]

Worst post of the year candidate.

 

You don't believe in due process? Or do you mean the woke hyperbole.

[Jays24]

Worst post of the year candidate.

 

Why because I'm not willing say he's a scumbag until I hear details of what happened? Are accusations the same as convictions these days?

 

All I said was that I'm not willing to talk like some people who are saying they're "disappointed" in Alomar without even knowing wtf he actually did.

[King]

Why because I'm not willing say he's a scumbag until I hear details of what happened? Are accusations the same as convictions these days?

 

All I said was that I'm not willing to talk like some people who are saying they're "disappointed" in Alomar without even knowing wtf he actually did.

Way to go, Team Robbie. Take your stand!

[Spanky99]

Way to go, Team Robbie. Take your stand!

 

Ah, I gotcha, lol.

[King]

You don't believe in due process? Or do you mean the woke hyperbole.

Due Process was already completed!

[Spanky99]

[JaysAllMighty]

Well to be fair the MLB did move the Allstar game for NO valid reasons (based on lies). So they are part of the woke BS.

[Jays24]

Way to go, Team Robbie. Take your stand!

 

I am easily willing to punk Alomar once the details are known. Until then I will choose to not be judgmental.

 

Didn't realize you're a Judge and already convicted Alomar based on knowing nothing though. Good for you, you blind sheep lol

[King]

I am easily willing to punk Alomar once the details are known. Until then I will choose to not be judgmental.

 

Didn't realize you're a Judge and already convicted Alomar based on knowing nothing though. Good for you, you blind sheep lol

Team Robbie.

[Jays24]

Due Process was already completed!

 

Please fill us in on what the details of his case were? You do understand there is a wide range of what could have happened right? The Law has not spoken yet...

[Spanky99]

Due Process was already completed!

 

Not by the police, they're not involved yet.

[Jays24]

Team Robbie.

 

Didn't mean it like I'm going to flaunt his name. Just meant I wasn't willing to jump on the other side like you clearly have without knowing the details.

[Jimcanuck]

Legal process is just one process.

 

There are also organization policies and liability concerns. And the burden of proof for civil liability is not the innocent until proven guilty criminal threshold. Its balance of probabilities.

 

Basically, once MLB has a policy in place, there is potential liability if they don't follow it, or follow it inconsistently.

 

Robbie was found to have violated the policy, these are the consequences.

[Stangstag]

Legal process is just one process.

 

There are also organization policies and liability concerns. And the burden of proof for civil liability is not the innocent until proven guilty criminal threshold. Its balance of probabilities.

 

Basically, once MLB has a policy in place, there is potential liability if they don't follow it, or follow it inconsistently.

 

Robbie was found to have violated the policy, these are the consequences.

 

Exactly this. Alomar is still LEGALLY innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but that doesn't mean MLB can't conduct their own private investigation and determine that he violated their rules and protocols.

[Stangstag]

Not by the police, they're not involved yet.

 

Right, though one article I read says the victim is preparing a legal case against MLB and the Bluejays.

[TwistedLogic]

The MLB have added Roberto Alomar to the ineligible list and the Blue Jays are basically blacklisting their only Hall of Famer following an investigation into sexual misconduct.

 

This was already discussed a bit in the General Blue Jays Discussion thread but this is big enough news to warrant it's own thread.

[G-Snarls]

I'll move the posts over here so that the Blue Jays 2021 thread is about the current Jays season again

[Jays24]

Legal process is just one process.

 

There are also organization policies and liability concerns. And the burden of proof for civil liability is not the innocent until proven guilty criminal threshold. Its balance of probabilities.

 

Basically, once MLB has a policy in place, there is potential liability if they don't follow it, or follow it inconsistently.

 

Robbie was found to have violated the policy, these are the consequences.

 

Exactly this. Alomar is still LEGALLY innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but that doesn't mean MLB can't conduct their own private investigation and determine that he violated their rules and protocols.

 

Totally agree. That is why I can differentiate my thinking of Alomar based on what actually comes out. Organizations need to protect themselves and do what's best for their bottom line while the courts should be impartial.

 

People are screwed over by allegations all the time, which sometimes end up being false or overblown. We will see what side of the moral fence Alomar will fall under once we know more.

[Terminator]

So our only hall of famer is disgraced and Halladay went into the hall with no team. We'll have to wait until like 2045 to have a hall of famer to celebrate if vladdy has that type of career lol.

 

Vlad Jr. will probably go into the Hall of Fame as a Yankee.

[TwistedLogic]

I'll move the posts over here so that the Blue Jays 2021 thread is about the current Jays season again

 

Good call but I think the first post here should be the original one from Jerb:

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/9553-General-Blue-Jays-Discussion-Thread-(2021)?p=1496949&viewfull=1#post1496949

[Terminator]

Is Shapiro going to ask Cooperstown to remove the Jays hat from Alomar's Hall of Fame plaque too?

[TheHurl]

I'm Team Robbie until I hear some concrete details. I've seen too much crap where people react thinking they're "woke." Not saying this is the case here but I'm going with the innocent until proven guilty avenue.

 

It is okay for your favourite players to be a piece of s***

[Jays24]

It is okay for your favourite players to be a piece of s***

 

He can have a piece of s*** moment but it doesn't mean he's a piece of s*** person... But that obviously depends on what the moment(s) were in this case.

[Jimcanuck]

Totally agree. That is why I can differentiate my thinking of Alomar based on what actually comes out. Organizations need to protect themselves and do what's best for their bottom line while the courts should be impartial.

 

People are screwed over by allegations all the time, which sometimes end up being false or overblown. We will see what side of the moral fence Alomar will fall under once we know more.

 

no such thing as a moral fence, morality is subjective and individual

 

this matter is about specific written policies and laws and whether Alomar violated them

[RobinThicc]

Looking at some of these posts, do people not realize that the investigation has been concluded and the MLB felt that this is what they needed to do.

[Jays24]

no such thing as a moral fence, morality is subjective and individual

 

this matter is about specific written policies and laws and whether Alomar violated them

 

Moral fence is for people like us to know whether the actions taken against Alomar are justified. The degree to which the stance was taken against Alomar makes it seem like he committed a heinous crime so we will see how this unfolds. I couldn't even imagine what we would do if he committed a murder or something because we are giving him the Chris Benoit treatment at the moment.

[King]

Not the first time Shapiro has employed known s*** bags. You get what you pay for.

 

Hopefully he owns up to this incident unlike the Callaway allegations where he denied involvement.

[JaysAllMighty]

It sounds like they may have totally sided with the victim's allegations. Woke only takes this into account, without proof other than the alleged victim's story all men are on dangerous grounds.