The Blue Jays sever all ties with Roberto Alomar after sexual misconduct review

[Spanky99]

Not the first time Shapiro has employed known s*** bags. You get what you pay for.

 

Hopefully he owns up to this incident unlike the Callaway allegations where he denied involvement.

 

lol

[Dick_Pole]

Freedom of speech:

 

1. The Blue Jays and the MLB have a right to make their own thresholds for what defines violating rules of conduct and act accordingly.

2. Each individual has the right to their own threshold for determining their opinion on the matter and support or not support the Jays and MLB's decision.

 

This has nothing to do with proving guilt or innocence in court, though plenty of people are within their rights to have that as their threshold.

[Stangstag]

Not the first time Shapiro has employed known s*** bags. You get what you pay for.

 

Hopefully he owns up to this incident unlike the Callaway allegations where he denied involvement.

 

Hasn’t Alomar been part of the organization since AA’s tenure?

 

Also this incident happened in 2014... under AA and Beeston.

[King]

Hasn’t Alomar been part of the organization since AA’s tenure?

 

Also this incident happened in 2014... under AA and Beeston.

 

Yup. There seems to be a pattern here

[Jays24]

Hasn’t Alomar been part of the organization since AA’s tenure?

 

Also this incident happened in 2014... under AA and Beeston.

 

Think I heard he was hired in 2011 so it would fall under Beeston and AA.

[Grant77]

He shouldn't be removed from the Level of Excellence for something he did after his playing career, but I understand ending his employment if there were serious indiscretions in 2014.

[Stangstag]

Yup. There seems to be a pattern here

 

Im blanking, what’s the pattern?

[Dick_Pole]

Looking at some of these posts, do people not realize that the investigation has been concluded and the MLB felt that this is what they needed to do.

 

We don't know the details behind the investigation, only that it exists. That's why some people want to wait to pass judgement until it's in the courts. At least there is some standard of evidence that would be consistent with other cases in what could be a "he said, she said" case. DNA evidence, video, witnesses, a proven pattern of behaviour etc.

[King]

He shouldn't be removed from the Level of Excellence for something he did after his playing career, but I understand ending his employment if there were serious indiscretions in 2014.

 

So if he shot up a preschool and murdered a bunch of innocent kids he should still be on the level of excellence because it was after his playing career?

[Jays24]

So if he shot up a preschool and murdered a bunch of innocent kids he should still be on the level of excellence because it was after his playing career?

 

You sure are treating this like that's exactly what Alomar did lol

[JaysAllMighty]

[Dick_Pole]

The Level Of Excellence is a pure marketing tool. There is no value to it other than what us as fans think of it. It's not a World Series banner, plaque in the HOF or even a retired jersey. IIRC, the Jays were the team to start with that thing, as an alternative to the tradition of retiring jersey numbers. Therefore if the Jays figure it has more value to fans without Alomar's name than with it, it makes sense to take his name off.

[wilko]

I want to know what happened? He's getting canceled because of allegations in 2014? Was this investigated? Did it go to court? What's going on here!? I want details!

[Jays24]

 

How are we supposed to feel about this? If it was really bad then there should be some criminal charges but it was bad enough for MLB/Jays to take the stance they did.

 

Any idea what people think happened here? Like bad jokes? Improper touching? Is this all a result of some HR violations?

[Grant77]

So if he shot up a preschool and murdered a bunch of innocent kids he should still be on the level of excellence because it was after his playing career?

 

Your argument is a logical fallacy known as reductio ad absurdum. There's not much point in responding to it.

[Jimcanuck]

90% of the population doesn't give a s*** about this.

[Spanky99]

 

WTF??? So he's been cancelled and that's enough? We'll never know what's in that investigation, unless Alomar counters to expunge his name from social justice? This is messed up.

[RobinThicc]

We don't know the details behind the investigation, only that it exists. That's why some people want to wait to pass judgement until it's in the courts. At least there is some standard of evidence that would be consistent with other cases in what could be a "he said, she said" case. DNA evidence, video, witnesses, a proven pattern of behaviour etc.

 

Fair enough.

 

I dont really have a problem with this if the MLB believes he did it after they've done their investigation. Maybe im dumb to trust the MLB though lol.

[BTS]

Very cool that the team's only HoFer is now a disgraced (alleged) sexual predator who has no ties to the team anymore.

[Jimcanuck]

WTF??? So he's been cancelled and that's enough? We'll never know what's in that investigation, unless Alomar counters to expunge his name from social justice? This is messed up.

 

Yeah, that's how it works with private HR matters. MLB and the Jays are not going to breach confidentiality rules in this case. Alomar can sue if he wants, but that will likely be a closed proceeding.

[Thaddeus Malice]

Yeah, that's how it works with private HR matters. MLB and the Jays are not going to breach confidentiality rules in this case. Alomar can sue if he wants, but that will likely be a closed proceeding.

 

Yeah that's basically dead on.

 

Since the accuser has no interest in money that's the only choice.

[Dick_Pole]

Very cool that the team's only HoFer is now a disgraced (alleged) sexual predator who has no ties to the team anymore.

 

Still better than the Rockies...

[King]

It's sad that there is a person out there suffering from this and some of you only care about the "Level of Excellence". I hope they find the peace they need to heal from this and still have a good life. Edited April 30, 2021 by King
used improper pronouns

[Grant77]

King is full of logical fallacies today.

 

People don't like seeing Alomar's reputation destroyed and a black mark placed on the franchise without knowing what happened. Therefore, those same people don't care about sexual assault victims.

[Boxcar]

Why because I'm not willing say he's a scumbag until I hear details of what happened? Are accusations the same as convictions these days?

 

All I said was that I'm not willing to talk like some people who are saying they're "disappointed" in Alomar without even knowing wtf he actually did.

 

Speaking of King, I no longer really post on this board and yet this dillhole keeps texting me randomly. I consider this sexual harrassment as I've asked him to f*** off many times. Please remove his existence from this board so that he does not exist, and never existed.

[Krylian]

It is okay for your favourite players to be a piece of s***

 

For all we know Vladdy, Ryu, and Bichette are behind a human trafficking operation. Point is, we don't really know these guys... Until something comes out. If it comes out. Some of our favorite players as kids were probably despicable people (pre-social media when it was easier to keep a secret).

[Krylian]

Speaking of King, I no longer really post on this board and yet this dillhole keeps texting me randomly. I consider this sexual harrassment as I've asked him to f*** off many times. Please remove his existence from this board so that he does not exist, and never existed.

 

Is there a BJMB level of Excellence. And if so, in King in it?

[DigitalRock]

Short of him being charged with a crime, removing him from the Level of Excellence and taking his banner down is over doing it. And Sexual Misconduct is an extremely broad term. That could be anything from an ill-advised joke to something criminal.

 

They did an investigation with an external Law Firm.....they clearly have a lot of evidence to go this far...

[DigitalRock]

Very cool that the team's only HoFer is now a disgraced (alleged) sexual predator who has no ties to the team anymore.

 

Yeah and Halladay went in with no team....

[Boxcar]

Is there a BJMB level of Excellence. And if so, in King in it?

 

If he is, I want him taken down. What kind of f***ing weirdo does that? Would you randomly text someone you talked to a few times over the internet and then go act like a hero who is against all forms of harrassment? King is basically the Kevin Spacey of BJMB.

 

I'm vulnerable while I'm taking a dump. Last thing I want is some creep popping in to ask me if I'm an anti-vaxxer, presumably to know whether they can pursue sexual desires.