Rowdy Tellez is destined for the Korean Baseball Organization. He's not a big leaguer

[The Iceman]

Cringe worthy post... These are players in their early 20's ffs. Bichette has HALF a season of MLB experience. 82 GAMES! Most of these players are on occasion going to make plays that cost the team runs.

 

I don't even...figure your s*** out man...

 

 

Did you follow BB in the minors, watched the playoffs, caught any games this season? Dude flat out is not as good as the player next to him playing 2nd.

Bo is 23, in his defensive prime. He will continue to get better at the plate but should be at his best defensively.

Don't post like a douche dude, not cool.

[G-Snarls]

Am I foolish to hope the offense might just "click" when Springer is inserted into the leadoff spot??

[Deadpool]

Did you follow BB in the minors, watched the playoffs, caught any games this season? Dude flat out is not as good as the player next to him playing 2nd.

Bo is 23, in his defensive prime. He will continue to get better at the plate but should be at his best defensively.

Don't post like a douche dude, not cool.

 

I mean... What suggests that his hitting will get better but his fielding won't?

 

It's clearly not physical limitations, he's just bobbling balls that he gets to, and not throwing on target when he gets them. Those are both skills that can be improved. Also, the Yankees ran Derek Jeter out as a shortstop for years, and he was MUCH worse than Bo is.

[Jimcanuck]

Am I foolish to hope the offense might just "click" when Springer is inserted into the leadoff spot??

 

Well it might, but these things are coincidence 90% of the time.

[max silver]

Did you follow BB in the minors, watched the playoffs, caught any games this season? Dude flat out is not as good as the player next to him playing 2nd.

Bo is 23, in his defensive prime. He will continue to get better at the plate but should be at his best defensively.

Don't post like a douche dude, not cool.

 

23 seems awfully early to suggest as a defensive peak for players. According to this article, which uses Defensive Runs saved data, MLB players peak defensively around age 26. Bo obviously has quite a ways to go before reaching age 26, no reason to be so smug and definitively suggesting he is going to get worse instead of better.

 

To start, a player’s total DRS values dating back to 2003 were aggregated by age to produce average values by age group. When looking at these values, you can see that a player’s defensive peak is around his age 26 season, with a steady decline for the rest of his career, including a more substantial decline beyond their age 30 season.

 

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/2020/05/08/a-closer-look-at-defensive-aging-curves/

[EastCoaster]

Most AL teams today rather leave their DH spot open for use on rotational bases in case of player needing some time from the fielding the only way a team should commit to a full time DH if its 'David Ortiz or Nelson Cruz type hitters everytime they come up at the plate you can anticipate something is going to happen. Tellez doesn't have the same type of impact in any line up if he finishes the year as dismal as it began I can see the Blue jays non tendering him in the off season.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Tellez is still hitless. Yikes.

 

No defensive value, no base running value, and 0/21 with 1 BB and 8 K's to start the season.

 

 

Nice DH

[EastCoaster]

Tellez is still hitless. Yikes.

 

No defensive value, no base running value, and 0/21 with 1 BB and 8 K's to start the season.

 

 

Nice DH

 

What a wasted roster spot.

 

He deserve to be gone once Springer is activated.

[THANOS]

The thing with Tellez, is you could empathize with him and maybe look past the struggles if the K/BB% & exit velo was the same as 2020, and chalk it up to BABIP, but he looks unplayable and is whiffing at everything and any adjustments to lay off the high FB and low Off-speed is gone.

 

You can't really justify it is a BABIP short sample slump.

 

I would give him a full month to see for certain if the K/BB stabilize and maybe he's just in his head. If at that point, it looks the same, send him down or waive him if you can't.

[Jimcanuck]

The thing with Tellez, is you could empathize with him and maybe look past the struggles if the K/BB% & exit velo was the same as 2020, and chalk it up to BABIP, but he looks unplayable and is whiffing at everything and any adjustments to lay off the high FB and low Off-speed is gone.

 

You can't really justify it is a BABIP short sample slump.

 

I would give him a full month to see for certain if the K/BB stabilize and maybe he's just in his head. If at that point, it looks the same, send him down or waive him if you can't.

 

He has an option. At this point when Springer comes back Rowdy is demoted to work things out in AAA. If not sooner.

[Deadpool]

The thing with Tellez, is you could empathize with him and maybe look past the struggles if the K/BB% & exit velo was the same as 2020, and chalk it up to BABIP, but he looks unplayable and is whiffing at everything and any adjustments to lay off the high FB and low Off-speed is gone.

 

You can't really justify it is a BABIP short sample slump.

 

I would give him a full month to see for certain if the K/BB stabilize and maybe he's just in his head. If at that point, it looks the same, send him down or waive him if you can't.

 

Yeah, Rowdy CAN be better than this, but at this point, he just looks like every adjustment he made last season went totally out the window.

[keggy]

I mean... What suggests that his hitting will get better but his fielding won't?

 

It's clearly not physical limitations, he's just bobbling balls that he gets to, and not throwing on target when he gets them. Those are both skills that can be improved. Also, the Yankees ran Derek Jeter out as a shortstop for years, and he was MUCH worse than Bo is.

 

Agreed Jeter was horrific. Keeping him at SS out of respect certainly cost the Yankees wins, especially when they had a better option right next to him.

 

I've always thought the root of Bichette's defensive problems was his arm. For slowly developing plays or grounders deep in the hole he knows he can't just gun down the runner so he gets ahead of himself, leading to bobbles and rushed throws. I'm fine with keeping Bichette at SS with our current roster, but if we ever acquired a classic SS like Lindor, I would move him for good.

[Deadpool]

Agreed Jeter was horrific. Keeping him at SS out of respect certainly cost the Yankees wins, especially when they had a better option right next to him.

 

I've always thought the root of Bichette's defensive problems was his arm. For slowly developing plays or grounders deep in the hole he knows he can't just gun down the runner so he gets ahead of himself, leading to bobbles and rushed throws. I'm fine with keeping Bichette at SS with our current roster, but if we ever acquired a classic SS like Lindor, I would move him for good.

 

It looks to me (and this is fully "eye test" stuff here, so I could be wildly wrong) like he's trying to make the plays look flashy, and it's costing him. The physical skills are there, he's getting to the ball, he clearly has the arm to make the throws, but it's just the execution is sloppy.

 

Also, man I'm so glad we didn't trade for Lindor.

[Spanky99]

It looks to me (and this is fully "eye test" stuff here, so I could be wildly wrong) like he's trying to make the plays look flashy, and it's costing him. The physical skills are there, he's getting to the ball, he clearly has the arm to make the throws, but it's just the execution is sloppy.

 

Also, man I'm so glad we didn't trade for Lindor.

 

I feel it's possibly in his head, his defensive metrics were fine last season, the recency bias of the bobble in the post-season to the few he's made here early has everyone over-reacting imo. They're not moving him off short anytime soon. Agreed on Lindor, that's way too much money. And all those SS's hitting FA next year saw $$ signs in their eyes, their getting paid.

[Olerud363]

Am I foolish to hope the offense might just "click" when Springer is inserted into the leadoff spot??

 

Best guess is every body will regress to their career averages, except Vlad, who will hopefully regress to the number predicted by his minor league + major league performance so far (which given his stellar minor league numbers, is better then his career average).

 

Add Springer hitting at his career averages and that is much better then the .215 hitting s*** pile we have seen so far.

 

If Springer comes back soon, and regression to the mean happens soon it will look like the offense is better with Springer but it won't be a causal relationship.

[G-Snarls]

I feel it's possibly in his head, his defensive metrics were fine last season, the recency bias of the bobble in the post-season to the few he's made here early has everyone over-reacting imo. They're not moving him off short anytime soon. Agreed on Lindor, that's way too much money. And all those SS's hitting FA next year saw $$ signs in their eyes, their getting paid.

 

They will all get solid deals but there aren't 5 teams with 300M+ to spend on a shortstop. I'm not sure any of them besides Story get nearly as much as Lindor and Tatis got.

Edited April 13, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Spanky99]

They will all get solid deals but there aren't 5 teams with 300M+ to spend on a shortstop. I'm not sure any of them besides Story get nearly as much as Lindor and Tatis got.

 

Heh, I was thinking Story right off the top of my head. If Correa stays healthy this season, he cashes big dough.

[Olerud363]

It looks to me (and this is fully "eye test" stuff here, so I could be wildly wrong) like he's trying to make the plays look flashy, and it's costing him. The physical skills are there, he's getting to the ball, he clearly has the arm to make the throws, but it's just the execution is sloppy.

 

Also, man I'm so glad we didn't trade for Lindor.

 

Yeah. So a guy who had to be moved off short was Russ Adams, Russ Adams didn't pass the eye test at all, noodle arm from what I recall, but Bichette doesn't seem anywhere near that level of bad... a couple of adjustments away from being fine from what I can tell.

 

Fangraphs still has Bichette as a positive defender. It showed Adams as negative right from the start.

 

There is zero reason to move Bichette. Assuming he ends up being a positive but not elite defender, it wouldn't help to move him, unless replacing him with a elite defender that could hit. Replacing him with an elite defender with John McDonald level hitting would make the team worse (which is one of the reasons Jays of 2006/7 went no where).

[EastCoaster]

I don't know what this guy is still doing on this team right now. he was inserted in the line up yesterday because of his good numbers against the Red Sox he doesn't have good numbers against anybody this year he's a rally killer in any line up right now. Hopefully when Springer is activated hr's gone cause he just dead weight on a bench right now.The offense is struggling and he's contributing to the problem.

[Spanky99]

I don't know what this guy is still doing on this team right now. he was inserted in the line up yesterday because of his good numbers against the Red Sox he doesn't have good numbers against anybody this year he's a rally killer in any line up right now. Hopefully when Springer is activated hr's gone cause he just dead weight on a bench right now.The offense is struggling and he's contributing to the problem.

 

Who would you want on the bench to replace Tellez, cause it won't be any of Davis, Palacios or Espinal? 50 f***ing PA's, geez man.

[5minutesforframing]

Rowdy does not belong on a contending team's roster.

[Spanky99]

Rowdy does not belong on a contending team's roster.

 

Of course he could be? Are we a contending team I'd say yes, but making the PS first is the goal here.

[Brownie19]

Rowdy does not belong on a contending team's roster.

 

Didn't TB start Renfroe in the world series last year? Tsutsugo too?

 

Don't be a f***ing clown.

[EastCoaster]

Who would you want on the bench to replace Tellez, cause it won't be any of Davis, Palacios or Espinal? 50 f***ing PA's, geez man.

 

Right now anybody can do what Rowdy is doing at the plate which is NOTHING Palacios, Espinal and Panik have proven to be better at the plate than Tellez so far this season.

[Spanky99]

lol

[wilko]

https://jaysfromthecouch.com/2021/04/19/rowdy-tellez-why-he-has-performed-poorly-this-season/

[EastCoaster]

Tellez has top 1% exit velocity in baseball right now. He should not sit for Joe Panik, come on.

 

That's the trouble everyone is counting on passed stats they're playing now not last year the spot should be awarded to guys who can make the difference in a game not to a what he might do player he's Pedro Alvarez II will be gone and soon forgotten stats don't lie and right now Tellez is one of the worst producing player on the team

[Stangstag]

Didn't TB start Renfroe in the world series last year? Tsutsugo too?

 

Don't be a f***ing clown.

 

Remember that time the Royals won the World Series with Alcides Escobar batting leadoff the entire time?

[Spanky99]

https://jaysfromthecouch.com/2021/04/19/rowdy-tellez-why-he-has-performed-poorly-this-season/

 

This is what I'm talking about these sample sizes are so damn small, I mentioned this very thing this morning.

 

 

So far, in 2021, Tellez has been sub-par. In his opening 39 plate appearances, Tellez has generated a 23 wRC+. His K% climbed to 28.2% from 2020’s 15.7% mark. The good news is that, after going 0-for-23 in his first seven games, Tellez rebounded with a 161 wRC+ and an 18.8% K% in his subsequent 16 plate appearances. Perhaps 2020 Tellez is here to stay.

 

 

He goes 0 fer and everyone shits while missing that he had 3 good AB's that were hit hard but at someone, even the K was on a filthy 3-2 CH.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Spanky99

[Deadpool]

Tellez has top 1% exit velocity in baseball right now. He should not sit for Joe Panik, come on.

 

Nobody should sit for Panik except Panik.