General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Olerud363]

Wilner Update (Baseball related as it pertains to safety of going to games)

 

Wilner was announcing the Israeli Olympic warm up games

Travelled extensively in a country without a mask mandate and a delta outbreak (I will not reveal the country as I don't want the thread to turn political)

Watched baseball games in minor league stadiums from the announcers booth (albeit he would of been distanced from non-announcers)

Is alive as of this morning

 

and

 

Tested negative for COVID 19 on re-entry to Canada

 

Just some anecdotal safety evidence in case you are thinking of attending baseball games

[Eat My Shatkins]

More and more I find myself not wanting the Jays to trade any of Kirk, Moreno, Martin, Groshans or Martinez. Let them work their way up and onto the MLB roster over the next 1-2 seasons. There is room for all of them if they make it IMO.

 

Also not wanting to see them give up any significant assets for short term rentals.

 

One guy I want to see them get is definitely Kimbrel as he is a beast, would be here for next season too and his contract could make him cheaper to acquire possibly. I don't know how badly the Jays want to spend $16 million on a reliever though. They certainly haven't spent big on the bullpen yet during their tenure.

[G-Snarls]

More and more I find myself not wanting the Jays to trade any of Kirk, Moreno, Martin, Groshans or Martinez. Let them work their way up and onto the MLB roster over the next 1-2 seasons. There is room for all of them if they make it IMO.

 

Also not wanting to see them give up any significant assets for short term rentals.

 

One guy I want to see them get is definitely Kimbrel as he is a beast, would be here for next season too and his contract could make him cheaper to acquire possibly. I don't know how badly the Jays want to spend $16 million on a reliever though. They certainly haven't spent big on the bullpen yet during their tenure.

 

Atkins is HIGHLY unlikely to trade any of those key prospects for a rental. In fact I'd says almost no chance (He's not AA 1.0)

 

He likely won't trade any of them all, and if he does it will be for a player with at LEAST 1.5 years control, and probably more, that you'll be happy he got

Edited July 20, 2021 by G-Snarls

[TwistedLogic]

The front office feels a huge sense of relief on Pearson now that they have clarity on his injury and have discovered that his troubles are related to a sports hernia. They feel they can manage it.

 

Pearson has resumed throwing, is due to get on the mound next week and is being converted into a reliever for this season. Will be stretched out again next year.

 

Tweets with more from Atkins:

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

Well, not exactly a proven MLB track record as a reliever but if it works that would be a huge addition to the bullpen.

 

Now go get Kimbrel FFS.

 

Kimbrel

Romano

Merryweather (if he's not dead)

Pearson

Cimber

Richards

Borucki

Mayza

Saucedo

 

Looks like a pretty strong bullpen on paper.

[TwistedLogic]

More:

 

- Alek Manoah is only expected to miss one turn in the rotation. Threw yesterday and felt okay. Eligible to return July 26.

 

- Corey Dickerson has resumed baseball activities and is expected to begin a rehab assignment soon.

 

- Hatch might remain with the team as a reliever once Manoah returns. Depends on how the team is set up.

 

- Atkins mentioned having a strong prospect pool to dangle at the deadline, so they don't seem opposed to trading from there.

 

[Jays24]

Looks like Pearson is going down the Sanchez route where he could be massive for us in the setup role like Sanchez was in 2015.

[Brownie19]

Well, not exactly a proven MLB track record as a reliever but if it works that would be a huge addition to the bullpen.

 

Now go get Kimbrel FFS.

 

Kimbrel

Romano

Merryweather (if he's not dead)

Pearson

Cimber

Richards

Borucki

Mayza

Saucedo

 

Looks like a pretty strong bullpen on paper.

 

If by strong, you mean the best bullpen in baseball - then yes.

[RustyTrombone]

If Merryweather and Pearson come back strong we dont even need to add to the bull tbh. Romano, Merryweather, Pearson can be a nasty combo. Of course you cant really take the chance that both Merryweather and Pearson come back healthy and strong enough to hold up over the last two months. Still gotta go out and get a high end reliever and a solid controllable mid rotation starter.

[wilko]

If Merryweather and Pearson come back strong we dont even need to add to the bull tbh. Romano, Merryweather, Pearson can be a nasty combo. Of course you cant really take the chance that both Merryweather and Pearson come back healthy and strong enough to hold up over the last two months. Still gotta go out and get a high end reliever and a solid controllable mid rotation starter.

 

I agree. They are too much of a wild card to wait for. If they come back healthy and can compete, it's a huge bonus and you can slot everyone else down in the BP.

[Deadpool]

More:

 

- Alek Manoah is only expected to miss one turn in the rotation. Threw yesterday and felt okay. Eligible to return July 26.

 

- Corey Dickerson has resumed baseball activities and is expected to begin a rehab assignment soon.

 

- Hatch might remain with the team as a reliever once Manoah returns. Depends on how the team is set up.

 

- Atkins mentioned having a strong prospect pool to dangle at the deadline, so they don't seem opposed to trading from there.

 

 

One assumes he means "C. Edwards J." not C.J. Edwards, but I mean... Cole, Edwards and Milone are prime candidates to come off the IL and be DFA'd in one fell swoop. I don't particularly want any of those guys back with the team, ever. I mean, we DFA'd Payamps, who has been objectively better than all 3 of those guys.

[Slade]

I don't think you can rely on Pearson or Merryweather. Just got to get at least one more high leverage arm. If Hatch goes into the pen I am worried what happens if there is a SP injury, all we have is Francis, Kay, Thorton and Zeuch.

[G-Snarls]

I don't think you can rely on Pearson or Merryweather. Just got to get at least one more high leverage arm.

 

Agreed

 

And let them be a bonus if it works out

[G-Snarls]

If by strong, you mean the best bullpen in baseball - then yes.

 

Even Charlie would have a hard time screwing up with that BP

[The Iceman]

More and more I find myself not wanting the Jays to trade any of Kirk, Moreno, Martin, Groshans or Martinez. Let them work their way up and onto the MLB roster over the next 1-2 seasons. There is room for all of them if they make it IMO.

 

Also not wanting to see them give up any significant assets for short term rentals.

 

One guy I want to see them get is definitely Kimbrel as he is a beast, would be here for next season too and his contract could make him cheaper to acquire possibly. I don't know how badly the Jays want to spend $16 million on a reliever though. They certainly haven't spent big on the bullpen yet during their tenure.

 

So what you are saying is you are ok vying for the playoffs year after year but not willing to go all in for a better chance to win it all.

 

And I agree with you. Had many beer debates with buddies over this.

As a player you want to retire with a ring.

As a fan I want to be entertained year in and year out and not have any tank/rebuild years where the team is not worth watching.

Not saying you can't get lucky and win this way but your odds go up ASTROnomically going for it.

[Jimcanuck]

So what you are saying is you are ok vying for the playoffs year after year but not willing to go all in for a better chance to win it all.

 

And I agree with you. Had many beer debates with buddies over this.

As a player you want to retire with a ring.

As a fan I want to be entertained year in and year out and not have any tank/rebuild years where the team is not worth watching.

Not saying you can't get lucky and win this way but your odds go up ASTROnomically going for it.

 

IMO, a better chance of winning WS with a longer window of contention vs. a short window, even if the short window team is stronger on paper. So many variables and luck in baseball.

[G-Snarls]

IMO, a better chance of winning WS with a longer window of contention vs. a short window, even if the short window team is stronger on paper. So many variables and luck in baseball.

 

It's hard not be biased by past success

 

Jays of course won the WS in 1992 after trading Kent for Cone and in 1993 after trading Karsay for Henderson as we all know

 

BUT I'll always wonder if they'd have won it either or both years without those trades

 

What would have happened if they'd had Kent around for 5 all star seasons and Karsay in the starting rotation?

 

Also do the Jays make the ALCS without David Price?

 

Smetimes it works and out and sometimes it doesn't

 

Do I want to trade Gurriel and a top 10 prospect for a legit frontline starter but no guarantee of even making the post season or advancing beyond the first round? Prob not

 

/end silly rant

 

It's impossible to know.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I don't think you can rely on Pearson or Merryweather. Just got to get at least one more high leverage arm. If Hatch goes into the pen I am worried what happens if there is a SP injury, all we have is Francis, Kay, Thorton and Zeuch.

 

Exactly. Go get Kimbrel and if those other guys stay healthy then it's a bonus

[King]

Zeuch DFA'd

 

Paging Grant77

[RustyTrombone]

Zeuch DFA'd

 

Paging Grant77

 

Hmm unfortunate this had to happen before we tried him as a reliever. Thought there was something there in a short role after that 1st inning against the Yankees back in June where his velo spiked to 95-96.

[Deadpool]

Hmm unfortunate this had to happen before we tried him as a reliever. Thought there was something there in a short role after that 1st inning against the Yankees back in June where his velo spiked to 95-96.

 

It's trade-deadline time. He might be a piece that's moving for something (obviously as a part of a package, or for a smallish return/bad contract)

[G-Snarls]

Time to fire up Twitter and MLBTR

[G-Snarls]

It's trade-deadline time. He might be a piece that's moving for something (obviously as a part of a package, or for a smallish return/bad contract)

 

Wait.... They also needed the roster spot to activate Kirk

[Laika]

Hmm unfortunate this had to happen before we tried him as a reliever. Thought there was something there in a short role after that 1st inning against the Yankees back in June where his velo spiked to 95-96.

 

Zeuch never showed good secondary stuff so I don't think he has the bag to be a good reliever. He is suited for one thing and that is chewing up innings with groundballs

[Abomination]

Zeuch never showed good secondary stuff so I don't think he has the bag to be a good reliever. He is suited for one thing and that is chewing up innings with groundballs

 

 

That would have sounded pretty good yesterday.

[Laika]

That would have sounded pretty good yesterday.

 

*AAA innings, sorry

[Abomination]

*AAA innings, sorry

 

 

Yeah, that's certainly what they looked like.

[gruber92]

Zeuch never showed good secondary stuff so I don't think he has the bag to be a good reliever. He is suited for one thing and that is chewing up innings with groundballs

 

IIRC, in that inning vs the Yankees in June that Rusty is referring to, Zeuch had a good looking change to go along with the bump in velocity. I think he was worth a look as a sixth inning type arm with higher leverage spots possibly if he does well. His fastball was at 96 with good movement.

[Laika]

IIRC, in that inning vs the Yankees in June that Rusty is referring to, Zeuch had a good looking change to go along with the bump in velocity. I think he was worth a look as a sixth inning type arm with higher leverage spots possibly if he does well. His fastball was at 96 with good movement.

 

Thing about changeups is it's all about consistency. Lots of guys can flash an okay changeup but if it sucks even 20% of the time it's useless.

 

If Zeuch had a good offspeed pitch with any consistency he'd have a better minor league k rate, basically.

[G-Snarls]

Zeuch never showed good secondary stuff so I don't think he has the bag to be a good reliever. He is suited for one thing and that is chewing up innings with groundballs

 

Was he AA's last first round pick?