General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Sammy225]

Anyone think Gibby got offered the Astros job when Hinch got suspended? Wonder if he seriously considered it.

 

You can take the man out of Texas but... You know

 

I feel like he is the guy that is just happy sitting on a front porch with a beer...... If something comes along he will look at it if not he isn't bothered.

[Grant77]

Every day that passes without Gibby managing a team is a sad day for baseball fans. He's a genuine great person and knows his baseball.

[Olerud363]

Gibby got his fair share of criticism from us, but he was ok. I was trying to think of his most egregious offences, but they are hard to recall. I remember coming unglued over some scrub reliever use in leverage etc, but I would take him any day over Buntoyo.

 

Hard to know. Buntoyo let Vlad play 60 games at 300 pounds last year and somehow got him to show up at 240 this year, he hasn't freaked out when Bo looked like Russ Adams for a couple weeks.

 

Or when Cavan Biggio couldn't hit fastballs and was stuck at .150

 

If Jansen or Tellez ever turn it around we'll be thankful for Buntoyo's patience.

 

Not sure how Gibby would of dealt with those situations... not really saying he would of messed it up and sent Vlad to independent league and Bo to 2b and Cavan to aaa

 

I just honestly don't know how he would handle young players struggling occasionally.

[WONDERBAT]

Hard to know. Buntoyo let Vlad play 60 games at 300 pounds last year and somehow got him to show up at 240 this year, he hasn't freaked out when Bo looked like Russ Adams for a couple weeks.

 

Or when Cavan Biggio couldn't hit fastballs and was stuck at .150

 

If Jansen or Tellez ever turn it around we'll be thankful for Buntoyo's patience.

 

Not sure how Gibby would of dealt with those situations... not really saying he would of messed it up and sent Vlad to independent league and Bo to 2b and Cavan to aaa

 

I just honestly don't know how he would handle young players struggling occasionally.

 

None of those decisions are the managers.

[Grant77]

Hard to know. Buntoyo let Vlad play 60 games at 300 pounds last year and somehow got him to show up at 240 this year, he hasn't freaked out when Bo looked like Russ Adams for a couple weeks.

 

Or when Cavan Biggio couldn't hit fastballs and was stuck at .150

 

If Jansen or Tellez ever turn it around we'll be thankful for Buntoyo's patience.

 

Not sure how Gibby would of dealt with those situations... not really saying he would of messed it up and sent Vlad to independent league and Bo to 2b and Cavan to aaa

 

I just honestly don't know how he would handle young players struggling occasionally.

 

I'm not trying to say he was particularly good or bad with young players, but it's not like he doesn't have experience in breaking them into the majors. Alex Rios, Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Shaun Marcum, Casey Janssen, Dustin McGowan, Roberto Osuna, Marcus Stroman, Kevin Pillar, Devon Travis, and Teoscar Hernandez got their start under Gibby and had success, just to name a few.

[Spanky99]

Gibby is such a f***ing gem. I miss him so much.

 

https://memmo.me/global/en/video/rEMQiDc

 

lol... f*** I miss this man, that was great ole Gibby!

[Spanky99]

Yay...

 

May 18, 12:27 PM EDT EDT

Hatch (elbow) is scheduled to make a rehab start Thursday for Triple-A Buffalo.

 

Analysis

Buffalo plans to deploy Hatch in a tandem start with Jacob Waguespack, so expect the 26-year-old right-hander to cover around 3-to-4 innings before exiting the game. The outing marks Hatch's first of the season, as he's been on the mend from a right elbow impingement since late March. Hatch will likely need to complete at least two or three rehab starts at Buffalo before the Blue Jays consider bringing him back from the 60-day injured list.

[G-Snarls]

Did a Vlad Jr check during the game. In all of baseball he ranks:

 

2nd in wRC+

2nd in wOBA

2nd in OBP

2nd in OPS

5th in HR

3rd in WAR

 

Only Trout is ahead of him in every stat and compare their BABIP:

 

Trout .456

Vlad .327

[G-Snarls]

Vlad will likely make the All Star Game

 

No other AL first baseman is having anything close to as good a season so far

[DigitalRock]

Did a Vlad Jr check during the game. In all of baseball he ranks:

 

2nd in wRC+

2nd in wOBA

2nd in OBP

2nd in OPS

5th in HR

3rd in WAR

 

Only Trout is ahead of him in every stat and compare their BABIP:

 

Trout .456

Vlad .327

 

So far having a monster year, and he is still only 22.

[TwistedLogic]

Did a Vlad Jr check during the game. In all of baseball he ranks:

 

2nd in wRC+

2nd in wOBA

2nd in OBP

2nd in OPS

5th in HR

3rd in WAR

 

Only Trout is ahead of him in every stat and compare their BABIP:

 

Trout .456

Vlad .327

 

With Trout injured, Vlad should really be the front-runner for MVP right now.

 

Of course, if Otani continues doing what he's doing, he's almost certainly going to win it off narrative alone.

[Angrioter]

With Trout injured, Vlad should really be the front-runner for MVP right now.

 

Of course, if Otani continues doing what he's doing, he's almost certainly going to win it off narrative alone.

 

 

Ohtani-San

[glory]

Yeah, if he stays healthy and continues at the rate he's going, Ohtani is definitely winning MVP. Only thing that might hurt him is the Angels are ass, but Trout won a bunch of them so probably not.

[Terminator]

The Angels are going to finish with 70 wins and the Jays are going to threaten for 100 so Vlad Jr. is my heavy favorite. Ryu is a prohibitive lock for the CY.

[Olerud363]

The Angels are going to finish with 70 wins and the Jays are going to threaten for 100 so Vlad Jr. is my heavy favorite. Ryu is a prohibitive lock for the CY.

 

Normally yes. If it was like Trout vs Donaldson in 2015, Donaldson's story is better.

 

But Ohtani's story, is "better" even if Vladdy's WAR (Frank Thomas stats in low-O environment with lightning-cat 1b defense) is better.

[BCZ]

Vlad will likely make the All Star Game

 

No other AL first baseman is having anything close to as good a season so far

 

Not really likely, it's a lock

[BlueRocky]

With Trout injured, Vlad should really be the front-runner for MVP right now.

 

Of course, if Otani continues doing what he's doing, he's almost certainly going to win it off narrative alone.

 

I like them both, but Ohtani-san with a Trout-less Angels team on pace for 69 wins winning the AL MVP seems a reach for me. Despite pitching AND hitting he has a combined 2.1 fWAR, that’s tied for 10th place.

 

Vlad is ONLY hitting and has 2.5 fWAR and a chance to lead the Jays to an AL pennant against a ridiculous schedule and division.

 

If Trout is out for 8 weeks, the only other hitters close is Buxton and Bogaerts in WAR. I have doubts Buxton can sustain 224 wRC+ and his team sucks. While the Red Sox had a really soft schedule to start the season.

 

The Jays have yet to face teams like the Orioles (17-25), Tigers (17-26), and Twins (14-27).

[G-Snarls]

I like them both, but Ohtani-san with a Trout-less Angels team on pace for 69 wins winning the AL MVP seems a reach for me. Despite pitching AND hitting he has a combined 2.1 fWAR, that’s tied for 10th place.

 

Vlad is ONLY hitting and has 2.5 fWAR and a chance to lead the Jays to an AL pennant against a ridiculous schedule and division.

 

If Trout is out for 8 weeks, the only other hitters close is Buxton and Bogaerts in WAR. I have doubts Buxton can sustain 224 wRC+ and his team sucks. While the Red Sox had a really soft schedule to start the season.

 

The Jays have yet to face teams like the Orioles (17-25), Tigers (17-26), and Twins (14-27).

 

The schedule is so lopsided this year it's crazy

[Brownie19]

Can we please play the Twins before they turn their season around? Thanks.

[TwistedLogic]

I like them both, but Ohtani-san with a Trout-less Angels team on pace for 69 wins winning the AL MVP seems a reach for me. Despite pitching AND hitting he has a combined 2.1 fWAR, that’s tied for 10th place.

 

Vlad is ONLY hitting and has 2.5 fWAR and a chance to lead the Jays to an AL pennant against a ridiculous schedule and division.

 

If Trout is out for 8 weeks, the only other hitters close is Buxton and Bogaerts in WAR. I have doubts Buxton can sustain 224 wRC+ and his team sucks. While the Red Sox had a really soft schedule to start the season.

 

The Jays have yet to face teams like the Orioles (17-25), Tigers (17-26), and Twins (14-27).

 

All of the reasons you laid out are exactly why I believe Vlad should be MVP frontrunner right now. That doesn't change that Ohtani will likely win it because of the narrative.

 

People aren't writing stuff like this about Vlad.

 

That article alone shows that Ohtani has already approached mythic status in baseball. I don't think he should be MVP but I'm certain the writers will give it to him.

[Jimcanuck]

It's a long season. If Vladdy stays healthy and keeps this up and the Jays are headed to the post season, the writers will devote more attention to him.

[Daniel Labude]

[Daniel Labude]

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Well that came out small lol. Vlad 1st in WAR among hitters and tied with Cole

Edited May 21, 2021 by LetTheBallFly

[Spanky99]

 

3 points shy of 1.100... what a bum.

[BlueRocky]

[G-Snarls]

Going to need to stock up on pepto for this. Should be electric. Man, i hope Springer comes back fully healthy soon.

 

Yeah

 

It's been gut wrenching so far . Yikes

 

Hold on!!

[TwistedLogic]

Vlad is now leading all of Major League Baseball in fWAR (hitters and pitchers), while Gabriel Moreno has surpassed Francisco Alvarez for the best wRC+ in Minor League Baseball when taking age and level into account (though Jesus Sanchez has a pretty strong case as a 23-year-old in AAA with an inhuman 302 wRC+).

 

 

[Spanky99]

Bad news man...

 

 

 

[Stangstag]

Bad news man...

 

Of all the players that we could have lost to the DL, Biggio hurts the least. Let him rest up and hopefully it’s nothing too serious.

[Spanky99]

Of all the players that we could have lost to the DL, Biggio hurts the least. Let him rest up and hopefully it’s nothing too serious.

 

Cervical spine ligament, is no joke. I'm rightfully worried.