General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[EastCoaster]

Porcello for 1/5 time, get it done Ross.

 

 

 

 

Pitching is at premium in this game there's a good reason Porcello is still an unrestricted free agent this late to simply put it he's not that f***ing good to start with especially on a high milage arm like his that's why teams are staying away from him.

[Ex Player]

Only 7 days till opening day

[G-Snarls]

I feel like we see this problem with the Jays every year. Some big player has a small injury, “should be ready for opening day”, then plays game 1 and 2 and gets put on the DL for a month.

 

[Spanky99]

Joe Panik made the team...

 

[Jonn]

Joe Panik made the team...

 

 

Buntoyo got his eye candy back.

[Ray]

ATC Projections released https://blogs.fangraphs.com/atc-2021-projected-standings-and-playoff-odds/

 

Has us going 87-75, but that’s with giving up the 6th most runs in the league? Almost on par with the Pirates, which doesn’t pass the smell test for me. That would be worst case scenario for this pitching staff IMO. Maybe it’s taking into account park factors for Buffalo/Dunedin?

 

On the plus side, we’re projected to score the 2nd most runs in the majors. Even just league average pitching will get us to ~91 wins if that offensive projection holds up.

[The Iceman]

Found this...What’s the prognosis for Geroge Springer’s oblique strain? Grade 2 sounds like something he shouldn’t try to play through.

 

George Springer was diagnosed with a Grade 2 (moderate) left oblique strain, but the Blue Jays have indicated he could play in the first series of the year. That would be a reasonable timeline if this was a grade 1 (mild) oblique strain, but grade 2 strains need 5-8 weeks to fully heal. During that time the player shouldn’t swing a bat or throw at 100%. It’s not that they can’t do anything at all, but they need to be very careful. Springer is risking a far more serious injury by trying to return that quickly. This isn’t just some tightness, as initial reports suggested. Oblique strains aren’t an injury that you can just suck it up and play through. If Springer does try to play in the next week, I don’t see this going well. He currently falls in the High Injury Risk category.

[Jimcanuck]

A few months at least, obliques are tricky. FO is crazy to think of Springer playing in the first series. There's minimal reward, extreme risk.

[Spanky99]

A few months at least, obliques are tricky. FO is crazy to think of Springer playing in the first series. There's minimal reward, extreme risk.

 

Yup, May 1st sounds more appropriate, they aren't fooling anyone. Sell them tickets Birds!

[itaos]

Springer was misdiagnosed or the guy who gave out a $150mm contract is downplaying the issue

[Stangstag]

Springer was misdiagnosed or the guy who gave out a $150mm contract is downplaying the issue

 

I just rewatched the interview with Ross a few days back to hear exactly what he said...

 

Seems like Springer’s discomfort was mild so they thought nothing of it, however the discomfort continued a for a few days so they finally decided to do an MRI which revealed a “grade 2 oblique sprain”. They seemed to be surprised about the MRI results because Springer was pretty much playing through it already. So they’re resting him for “4-5 days” to see how it heals and if he’ll be able to play through it.

 

Ross said Springer is extremely motivated to play opening day and that unless the front office specifically steps in and says no, he’ll likely be playing.

 

So yeah sounds like he’s gonna play the first few games and then likely hit the DL for a month or two once he aggravates it

[Spanky99]

I just rewatched the interview with Ross a few days back to hear exactly what he said...

 

Seems like Springer’s discomfort was mild so they thought nothing of it, however the discomfort continued a for a few days so they finally decided to do an MRI which revealed a “grade 2 oblique sprain”. They seemed to be surprised about the MRI results because Springer was pretty much playing through it already. So they’re resting him for “4-5 days” to see how it heals and if he’ll be able to play through it.

 

Ross said Springer is extremely motivated to play opening day and that unless the front office specifically steps in and says no, he’ll likely be playing.

 

So yeah sounds like he’s gonna play the first few games and then likely hit the DL for a month or two once he aggravates it

 

Yikes... I'm sure he's been told.

[Krylian]

I just rewatched the interview with Ross a few days back to hear exactly what he said...

 

Seems like Springer’s discomfort was mild so they thought nothing of it, however the discomfort continued a for a few days so they finally decided to do an MRI which revealed a “grade 2 oblique sprain”. They seemed to be surprised about the MRI results because Springer was pretty much playing through it already. So they’re resting him for “4-5 days” to see how it heals and if he’ll be able to play through it.

 

Ross said Springer is extremely motivated to play opening day and that unless the front office specifically steps in and says no, he’ll likely be playing.

 

So yeah sounds like he’s gonna play the first few games and then likely hit the DL for a month or two once he aggravates it

 

Ya. We'll see if he's cut from the Syndergaard 'I know my body' cloth.

[glory]

The Jays should be fine for a few weeks with Grichuk/Davis in CF. They need Springer healthy so hopefully some restraint is shown by the FO and Springer.

[Stangstag]

The Jays should be fine for a few weeks with Grichuk/Davis in CF. They need Springer healthy so hopefully some restraint is shown by the FO and Springer.

 

I agree but I can’t see it happening. FO doesn’t want to upset their new 150million dollar man right out of the gate, and Springer doesn’t want to let down his new fan base by missing time before the season even begins. Recipe for disaster

[Olerud363]

I agree but I canÂ’t see it happening. FO doesnÂ’t want to upset their new 150million dollar man right out of the gate, and Springer doesnÂ’t want to let down his new fan base by missing time before the season even begins. Recipe for disaster

 

Playing 2 games then being out for 2 months will also be a disaster. Do you think the front office will let that happen?

 

Teoscar Hernandez had a similar injury and was out for 10 days last September. Aaron Judge had a similar injury and was out for 2 months. Brett Lawrie had his career ruined by vaguely described oblique and upper body injuries.

 

Another case were people on this board, who have no information other than 'grade 2 oblique strain' are bullshitting.

 

Maybe Teoscar's oblique strain was grade 1.48, Springers is grade 1.52 (rounded up to 2), Judges was 2.41, and Lawries was a weird 3.4 that didn't show up on the imaging.

 

Point is the system used to describe the severity of these injuries is completely uninformative. The team has way more info, and hopefully they will use it to make the right decision.

[Olerud363]

Despite ranting above, I do agree it would be silly to bring him back for opening day, just to have him on opening day.

 

If it is a 'mild' grade 2 strain, still no reason to rush it. Aim for April 10th or something. April 10th would be a pretty quick recovery from that type of injury and we'd all be happy to see him then, I am sure.

[Spanky99]

Playing 2 games then being out for 2 months will also be a disaster. Do you think the front office will let that happen?

 

Teoscar Hernandez had a similar injury and was out for 10 days last September. Aaron Judge had a similar injury and was out for 2 months. Brett Lawrie had his career ruined by vaguely described oblique and upper body injuries.

 

Another case were people on this board, who have no information other than 'grade 2 oblique strain' are bullshitting.

 

Maybe Teoscar's oblique strain was grade 1.48, Springers is grade 1.52 (rounded up to 2), Judges was 2.41, and Lawries was a weird 3.4 that didn't show up on the imaging.

 

Point is the system used to describe the severity of these injuries is completely uninformative. The team has way more info, and hopefully they will use it to make the right decision.

 

lol... this was awesome!

Edited March 27, 2021 by Spanky99

[Jimcanuck]

Hopefully they've learned something from the JD and Ken Giles episodes.

 

Yes, injury severity and rehabilitation times are somewhat subjective, but Springer playing the opening series just seems unnecessarily risky, like how the aforementioned were handled.

[Spanky99]

[Stangstag]

Maybe Teoscar's oblique strain was grade 1.48, Springers is grade 1.52 (rounded up to 2), Judges was 2.41, and Lawries was a weird 3.4 that didn't show up on the imaging.

 

Point is the system used to describe the severity of these injuries is completely uninformative. The team has way more info, and hopefully they will use it to make the right decision.

 

Lol what in f*** does this even mean

[Spanky99]

Lol what in f*** does this even mean

 

That was the glory in that post, lol. He's f***ing around.

[Olerud363]

Lol what in f*** does this even mean

 

The term grade 1 and grade 2 oblique strain just don't tell us much. Grade 1 strains supposedly take a couple of weeks to heal. While grade 2 generally take a couple of months. However in reality there is a continuous spectrum of severity.

 

Like batting average. What if we only used grade 1 batting average, grade 2, and grade 3. What would that tell us?

 

From what I read, technically a grade 1 strain is less then 5% of muscle fibers damaged, grade 2 is 'a greater number of fibers' torn, and grade 3 is a complete rupture. There is a lot of gray between '5% of fibers damaged' and 'complete rupture', so his recovery time could realistically be between 2 weeks on the low end (if his injury is technically grade 2 but barely so) to 2 or 3 months on the high end. We just don't know, but from everything they are telling us it is closer to the low end.

 

I agree with the posters who are saying it is silly to push for him to come back opening day, if it is mild give him the full 2 weeks at least, and have him back April 5th or something.

[gruber92]

Striping could use some movement on his fastball, wishing him the best though.

[gruber92]

Simien and Biggio with great at bats.

[Ryu In My House]

I hope the Jays don't carry Reese, and expose him to waivers. I would rather keep Merryweather AND Liriano to start the season. We will see. The Mets cut Caleb Joseph. He's likely come back if the Jays really want that veteran presence.

[Ray]

I hope the Jays don't carry Reese, and expose him to waivers. I would rather keep Merryweather AND Liriano to start the season. We will see. The Mets cut Caleb Joseph. He's likely come back if the Jays really want that veteran presence.

 

I think that’s the last thing that they need to do, given Reese’s history.

[BlueRocky]

I hope the Jays don't carry Reese, and expose him to waivers. I would rather keep Merryweather AND Liriano to start the season. We will see. The Mets cut Caleb Joseph. He's likely come back if the Jays really want that veteran presence.

 

I have to agree here. Sometimes you can’t maximize every little asset and just need to move on. The writing on the wall has been clear since Kirk made the roster. If they cannot trade him during the roster crunch period, they shouldn’t carry three catchers, it’s not worth the trouble for a guy that’s worth a PTBNL.

 

Caleb Joseph types are always available in extreme emergencies if Riley Adams isn’t ready.

[Ryu In My House]

I think that’s the last thing that they need to do, given Reese’s history.

 

Well played, sir.

[wilko]

Anthony Castro's been lighting it up so far in ST.