General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[L54]

With the flexibility the Jays already have with their lineup, the idea of having Martin and Groshans just waiting to plug in is exciting.

[Grant77]

With the flexibility the Jays already have with their lineup, the idea of having Martin and Groshans just waiting to plug in is exciting.

 

I can envision a scenario where we let Semien go for a comp pick, plug in one of those guys, and add a big free agent pitcher without even adding much payroll.

[glory]

With the flexibility the Jays already have with their lineup, the idea of having Martin and Groshans just waiting to plug in is exciting.

 

Yeah that’s what so exciting about the current Jays. Spending in free agency on potentially high impact talent but not touching the prospect base. Much better chance to build a sustainable winner that way.

[Jays24]

I can envision a scenario where we let Semien go for a comp pick, plug in one of those guys, and add a big free agent pitcher without even adding much payroll.

 

We only have Ryu, Springer, Grichuk and Gurriel on actual contracts for next season, which is about 62 million. Think about the amount of money we'll have to toss around. It could be around 70 to 80 million...

Edited February 1, 2021 by Jays24

[keggy]

He's in there as the backup catcher. Writer refers to Jansen's superior framing.

 

I'm not sure 25 PA by Kirk in 2020 is enough to anoint him the starting catcher.

 

If there's a minor league season let Kirk play there every day while we see if Jansen can can start hitting. If Kirk looks like the real deal he'll be called up for the stretch run regardless. We're fine with the masturbator as the backup C for now.

[G-Snarls]

We only have Ryu, Springer, Grichuk and Gurriel on actual contracts for next season, which is about 62 million.

 

Think about the amount of money we'll have to toss around next offseason. It could be around 70 to 80 million...

 

Trevor Story and a front line starter please

[Jays24]

If there's a minor league season let Kirk play there every day while we see if Jansen can can start hitting. If Kirk looks like the real deal he'll be called up for the stretch run regardless. We're fine with the masturbator as the backup C for now.

 

Ya i think that's exactly how things will go. I believe McGuire is out of options so he'll be given one last chance to be the backup. If he still sucks and Kirk is tearing things up, then the obvious move is to waive Reese and call up Kirk.

[wilko]

Trevor Story and a front line starter please

 

Story's home/away splits are kind of gross.

[RobinThicc]

The Lindor dream isnt dead yet

[dineke]

I can envision a scenario where we let Semien go for a comp pick, plug in one of those guys, and add a big free agent pitcher without even adding much payroll.

 

All of the FA aces are on the older side though... Except for Noah Syndergaard if he comes back healthy.

[Hipfan]

I can envision a scenario where we let Semien go for a comp pick, plug in one of those guys, and add a big free agent pitcher without even adding much payroll.

 

Not many appealing options for pitchers next year. I’d rather them sign Bauer this year, because it takes advantage of the cheap production by Bo, Vlad and Biggio, and he is better than any of the options next year.

 

I wouldn’t touch next years free agents outside of Seaver and perhaps Correa. Syndergaard may be nice as well but I’d be concerned about his health on a long term deal.

[Jimcanuck]

I wouldn’t touch next years free agents outside of Seaver and perhaps Correa. Syndergaard may be nice as well but I’d be concerned about his health on a long term deal.

 

Tom Terrific is not available, sorry bro.

[Orgfiller]

Story's home/away splits are kind of gross.

 

So is every Coors guy's. It's so hard to measure the Coors effect on a player who's never played away from there before. We never saw if someone like Todd Helton could get it done elsewhere. Dexter Fowler did well post Coors. Tulo was already broken, CarGo was already washed. Matt Holliday did great. Someone like Chris Iannetta continued being the same guy. I think there's good reason to believe Story is a legitimately excellent player and very capable hitter.

[saskjayfan]

Story's home/away splits are kind of gross.

 

so take whatever discount is there for those splits and know that once he gets away from the Rockies, his bat will be better on the road.

[G-Snarls]

The Lindor dream isnt dead yet

 

Lets cheer for a typical "Mets" season where it all goes wrong in many ways and he wants no part of staying

 

Except then I'm worried the Yankees might get him

[G-Snarls]

All of the FA aces are on the older side though... Except for Noah Syndergaard if he comes back healthy.

 

Yeah. Next off season could potentially include:

 

Greinke

Scherzer

Kershaw

Verlander

Lynn

Cueto

Kluber

Lester

 

Lots of huge names but all will be north of 35 except Kershaw who will be 34. (somehow I thought Kershaw was older than rhat hmmm guess not)

 

How many more good years you gonna get?

 

McCullers Jr available at age 28

Edited February 2, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Hipfan]

Tom Terrific is not available, sorry bro.

 

Lol...autocorrect. Should be Seager!

[dineke]

Yeah. Next off season could potentially include:

 

Greinke

Scherzer

Kershaw

Verlander

Lynn

Cueto

Kluber

Lester

 

Lots of huge names but all will be north of 35 except Kershaw who will be 34. (somehow I thought Kershaw was older than 32 now hmmm guess not)

 

How many more good years you gonna get?

 

McCullers Jr available at age 28

 

If they're planning to sign an ace in free agency next year they might as well get Bauer this year instead honestly...

[Jays24]

If they're planning to sign an ace in free agency next year they might as well get Bauer this year instead honestly...

 

Ya this seems like the cheapest chance for us to get one. A 3/4 deal at 30+ seems like his value but I think our front office wants flexibility to spend next offseason. Let's see...

[Jays24]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2022/starting-pitcher/

 

Outside of the older guys, what ace can you buy in FA 2022? Might as well sign Bauer as you said

 

2023 at least has Clevinger, Berrios, Manaea, Taillon

 

And this is assuming that those guys don't sign extensions by then. Hoping for future free agencies should never be the way to go. Ask the Raptors and how their 2021 plans went with Giannis and others...

[Laika]

I'll gladly take an old Ace on a short deal in a compete year, lol.

 

Some of those geezers are awesome. 2/$66 for Scherzer please and thanks.

[Spanky99]

I don't really know what Salvant Hitting Metrics are - but I like that they said Tellez's were great, if not elite last year. How amazing would it be if Tellez's results from 2020 were sustainable?

 

Baseball Savant's MLB Statcast.

[saskjayfan]

I'll gladly take an old Ace on a short deal in a compete year, lol.

 

Some of those geezers are awesome. 2/$66 for Scherzer please and thanks.

 

Greinke, Verlander and Lynn will be 1 year guys and a lot cheaper, but potentially still very good. I'm not completely sold on Bundy, but he's a guy to watch. Maybe he turned a corner. If he has another good season he will be very he's going to have some intrigue. McCullers and Syndergaard obviously have appeal. There are quite a few optioins....I'm worried about extensions and how many might actually hit the market though.

[Laika]

Greinke, Verlander and Lynn will be 1 year guys and a lot cheaper, but potentially still very good. I'm not completely sold on Bundy, but he's a guy to watch. Maybe he turned a corner. If he has another good season he will be very he's going to have some intrigue. McCullers and Syndergaard obviously have appeal. There are quite a few optioins....I'm worried about extensions and how many might actually hit the market though.

 

Okay

[Brownie19]

Baseball Savant's MLB Statcast.

 

Well duh - I love that website. Tellez's page has lots of those beautiful red circles on it.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/rowdy-tellez-642133?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

[G-Snarls]

Greinke, Verlander and Lynn will be 1 year guys and a lot cheaper, but potentially still very good. I'm not completely sold on Bundy, but he's a guy to watch. Maybe he turned a corner. If he has another good season he will be very he's going to have some intrigue. McCullers and Syndergaard obviously have appeal. There are quite a few optioins....I'm worried about extensions and how many might actually hit the market though.

 

Yeah

 

It's hard to picture the Nats and Dodgers not holding on to Scherzer and Kershaw

[Ray]

Yeah

 

It's hard to picture the Nats and Dodgers not holding on to Scherzer and Kershaw

 

It kind of depends on where the Nats are at that point. This season will tell a lot about their future. Soto is a god and Turner is fantastic, but everyone else in that lineup is just meh. Pitching depth falls off dramatically after Scherzer/Strasburg/Corbin. It’s kind of a stars and scrubs team with an absolutely barren farm system.

 

I could see Scherzer wanting to end off his career on a competitive team and chase another championship.

[Ryu In My House]

Well duh - I love that website. Tellez's page has lots of those beautiful red circles on it.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/rowdy-tellez-642133?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

 

Holy crap, this site is amazing! Thanks for the discussion on this...I had no idea this site existed. For me it was only fangraphs.

 

Are there any other sites out there fans show know about?

[G-Snarls]

It kind of depends on where the Nats are at that point. This season will tell a lot about their future. Soto is a god and Turner is fantastic, but everyone else in that lineup is just meh. Pitching depth falls off dramatically after Scherzer/Strasburg/Corbin. It’s kind of a stars and scrubs team with an absolutely barren farm system.

 

I could see Scherzer wanting to end off his career on a competitive team and chase another championship.

 

I'm down to trade for Scherzer at the deadline if they're out of contention but we're in it

 

Also don't want to Yankees to get him

[Brownie19]

Holy crap, this site is amazing! Thanks for the discussion on this...I had no idea this site existed. For me it was only fangraphs.

 

Are there any other sites out there fans show know about?

 

Those are the two I use.