Around Baseball 2021

[max silver]

No, there is a time and place. SWR is an untouchable for me, though. Very few, if any, red flags with him.

 

Simeon Woods Richardson would be close to untouchable for me as well. The players I would consider moving him for would be viewed as untouchable by the organization they belong to as well, rendering the whole thing moot. The only other guy in the Jays minor league system I'd consider on the same level would be Martin, everybody else would be eminently available for the right return.

[THANOS]

Yajure and Canaan are decent prospects in their own respect. The former in particular has seen his stock rise with each year, he's described as a pitchability high floor low ceiling guy but the strikeouts have shown up in the minors while being age relevant as a prospect. I think the Pirates are quite content with the package they received for Taillon.

 

How would you rate him compared to Hiraldo & Kloff in our Top 5 system?

 

Simeon Woods Richardson would be close to untouchable for me as well. The players I would consider moving him for would be viewed as untouchable by the organization they belong to as well, rendering the whole thing moot. The only other guy in the Jays minor league system I'd consider on the same level would be Martin, everybody else would be eminently available for the right return.

 

I would add Martinez to that as well.

[Laika]

Don't we have a better farm system than the Yankees 1 through 10? I would think Hiraldo & Kloff as our #9 & #10 would be more valuable than anything the Yanks just gave up? The top return was their #15 prospect.

 

I think the lists you're looking at are outdated. MLB.com doesn't actually update their rankings throughout the year and their 2021 Yankees list isn't out, I think.

[max silver]

How would you rate him compared to Hiraldo & Kloff in our Top 5 system?

 

 

 

I would add Martinez to that as well.

 

Kloffenstein and Martinez are firmly in the second tier right now for me, but each guy with a solid minor league season under their belts could quickly reach untouchable status as well. Potential for each guy is massive, Kloffenstein in particular has me very excited as I think he has a good shot to be a top of the rotation monster. He's very motivated to make that happen as well.

 

His ultimate goal — a lofty one, Kloffenstein admits — is to have five 70-grade pitches as a big-leaguer. Four-seamer, sinker, slider, curveball, and changeup. A deep arsenal that will give him more options if one pitch or another isn’t working on a given night; that will let him turn a lineup over three times without ever giving the same hitter the same look.

 

That’s how workhorse starters like Justin Verlander, Trevor Bauer and Hyun-jin Ryu pitch. That’s how Clemens did it in his day. For Kloffenstein’s career to end up in the same bracket will be an incredible challenge. But why would he aim to be anything less?

 

“That’s where I want to be and that’s what I strive for,” he says. “I’ve got three pitches right now that are on their way to being elite big-league pitches. And I want to get the other two pitches up there, as well. Even if I end up with five 65-grade or 60-grade pitches, that’s still a good recipe for a guy that can go deep into ballgames.”

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-kloffenstein-salvaged-2020-development-covid-league/

[jerb]

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

Closer Brad Hand and the Washington Nationals are in agreement on a one-year, $10.5 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.

 

Hand winds up with more than his option and will be the Nationals’ new closer.

[max silver]

 

Jeff Passan

@JeffPassan

 

Closer Brad Hand and the Washington Nationals are in agreement on a one-year, $10.5 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.

 

Hand winds up with more than his option and will be the Nationals’ new closer.

 

Lol that's f***ed up.

[G-Snarls]

It's like being at an auction. The auctioneer tries to start the bidding at $100 but no one bites so he goes to $10. So many people start bidding at such a frenzy that before you know it someone has bid $105 when they could have had it for $100 at the start.

[Jays24]

Should have just picked him up off waivers lol

[BTS]

So Hand pockets the $1M buyout, and $10.5M in salary. $11.5 in compensation after having his $10M option declined.

 

It's always been absurd that he went unclaimed.

[max silver]

So Hand pockets the $1M buyout, and $10.5M in salary. $11.5 in compensation after having his $10M option declined.

 

And on top of that he gets to pick the team he plays for as well. Good deal for him all around.

[Jays24]

So Hand pockets the $1M buyout, and $10.5M in salary. $11.5 in compensation after having his $10M option declined.

 

It's always been absurd that he went unclaimed.

 

And got to choose his next location lol

[max silver]

And got to choose his next location lol

 

Jinx!

[saskjayfan]

No, there is a time and place. SWR is an untouchable for me, though. Very few, if any, red flags with him.

 

If Bieber ever became available SWR would be come available at the exact same moment. What are the red flags with Bieber..lol. It's a moot point Cleveland isn't moving Bieber

[Spanky99]

I think the lists you're looking at are outdated. MLB.com doesn't actually update their rankings throughout the year and their 2021 Yankees list isn't out, I think.

 

Nah, they update them internally, but in intervals.

[Laika]

Nah, they update them internally, but in intervals.

 

Nah they just slide guys in and out when they graduate or get traded. They don't change rankings, order, or evals

[Spanky99]

Nah they just slide guys in and out when they graduate or get traded. They don't change rankings, order, or evals

 

Makes sense.

[G-Snarls]

So Hand pockets the $1M buyout, and $10.5M in salary. $11.5 in compensation after having his $10M option declined.

 

It's always been absurd that he went unclaimed.

 

The Indians (pardon me, Cleveland Baseball Team) aren't having a great off season

[Carlos Danger]

No, there is a time and place. SWR is an untouchable for me, though. Very few, if any, red flags with him.

 

Think this is a very homer take. Industry consensus is there are about 35 pitching prospects ahead of him. If the Rays asked for him for Snell.. Instead of Patino, Wilcox et all, couldn't pack his bags fast enough..

[Laika]

I wonder if someone will get really creative with Trevor Bauer. He wants to trial his start every four days thing and bet on himself, but the wonky 2020 season seems to make the innings jump too dangerous for him to do that in 2021. Here is a thought:

 

2021: $30.69M

2022: $37.420M

*Bauer can opt out after 2022

2023: $12.69420M

2024: $12.69420M

2025: $12.69420M

 

*it's written into the contract or otherwise promised that the team will support him in his desire to start every four days in 2022

 

The specific numbers aren't that important but the general idea is that the money from 2023-2025 is just an insurance policy for Bauer in case he suffers catastrophic injury. It makes it more likely that he would accept this deal now because some of the downside risk is removed.

 

If his plan works out in 2022 he would opt out and be in line for a big final payday at age 32. There are precedents for pitchers in their early 30s signing massive deals: Greinke, Strasburg, Darvish, Scherzer. Verlander got $33 AAV at 36. Ryu 4/$80 at 33 is big enough.

 

For Toronto specifically, the deal only commits big money during the two years that Springer is getting frontloaded.

[THANOS]

I wonder if someone will get really creative with Trevor Bauer. He wants to trial his start every four days thing and bet on himself, but the wonky 2020 season seems to make the innings jump too dangerous for him to do that in 2021. Here is a thought:

 

2021: $30.69M

2022: $37.420M

*Bauer can opt out after 2022

2023: $12.69420M

2024: $12.69420M

2025: $12.69420M

 

*it's written into the contract or otherwise promised that the team will support him in his desire to start every four days in 2022

 

The specific numbers aren't that important but the general idea is that the money from 2023-2025 is just an insurance policy for Bauer in case he suffers catastrophic injury. It makes it more likely that he would accept this deal now because some of the downside risk is removed.

 

If his plan works out in 2022 he would opt out and be in line for a big final payday at age 32. There are precedents for pitchers in their early 30s signing massive deals: Greinke, Strasburg, Darvish, Scherzer. Verlander got $33 AAV at 36. Ryu 4/$80 at 33 is big enough.

 

For Toronto specifically, the deal only commits big money during the two years that Springer is getting frontloaded.

 

I'm 100% down for that type of deal. Would be great. By that point, your hope is that Pearson, SWR & Manoah have established themselves as mid-rotation to top-end SPs (hopefully 2 of the 3 are top-end) and then we don't need the likes of Bauer anymore regardless.

[glory]

Shapiro has said he'd never give a player an opt out, so I doubt that would be an option with Bauer or anyone.

[Ray]

Shapiro has said he'd never give a player an opt out, so I doubt that would be an option with Bauer or anyone.

 

He said he’d do opt-outs depending on the situation, but that he’ll never do player options.

[glory]

He said he’d do opt-outs depending on the situation, but that he’ll never do player options.

 

That's what I meant, he'd never give a player (alone) the ability to opt out. I'm sure Shapiro would be open to a mutual option, since both parties can opt out of a deal, but those are pointless as they are basically designed to not be picked up.

[Carlos Danger]

I wonder if someone will get really creative with Trevor Bauer. He wants to trial his start every four days thing and bet on himself, but the wonky 2020 season seems to make the innings jump too dangerous for him to do that in 2021. Here is a thought:

 

2021: $30.69M

2022: $37.420M

*Bauer can opt out after 2022

2023: $12.69420M

2024: $12.69420M

2025: $12.69420M

 

*it's written into the contract or otherwise promised that the team will support him in his desire to start every four days in 2022

 

The specific numbers aren't that important but the general idea is that the money from 2023-2025 is just an insurance policy for Bauer in case he suffers catastrophic injury. It makes it more likely that he would accept this deal now because some of the downside risk is removed.

 

If his plan works out in 2022 he would opt out and be in line for a big final payday at age 32. There are precedents for pitchers in their early 30s signing massive deals: Greinke, Strasburg, Darvish, Scherzer. Verlander got $33 AAV at 36. Ryu 4/$80 at 33 is big enough.

 

For Toronto specifically, the deal only commits big money during the two years that Springer is getting frontloaded.

 

Damn you for making me do math!

 

If my math is correct, that is around 106 million dollars. His "buddy" Cole , got a contract worth $324 million, so while I like the front load idea and agree with it, unless Bauer is really serious about a 1 yr, which I doubt he is... I don't think this proposal would even make the needle flicker..

[connorp]

Damn you for making me do math!

 

If my math is correct, that is around 106 million dollars. His "buddy" Cole , got a contract worth $324 million, so while I like the front load idea and agree with it, unless Bauer is really serious about a 1 yr, which I doubt he is... I don't think this proposal would even make the needle flicker..

 

Yeah I don’t get it. Say Bauer only asks for only 4/120 opt out after 2, seems a lot better than the proposed deal

[jerb]

 

Brahm Resnik

@brahmresnik

 

BREAKING Arizona’s Cactus League tells @MLB it wants to delay start of spring training because of Maricopa County’s high COVID infection rate. #12News

[Carlos Danger]

F$$%^^ck!!!

[Laika]

Damn you for making me do math!

 

If my math is correct, that is around 106 million dollars. His "buddy" Cole , got a contract worth $324 million, so while I like the front load idea and agree with it, unless Bauer is really serious about a 1 yr, which I doubt he is... I don't think this proposal would even make the needle flicker..

 

2023-2025 is just an insurance policy for Bauer in case he suffers a catastrophic injury. Think of it like a two year deal with a player friendly insurance policy at the end. The main point is that Bauer gets to try his start every four days thing in 2022 - no team is actually going to let him do that under a normal contract structure. And he'd be an idiot to take a one year deal right now when he could get six figures guaranteed, so that contract is the compromise.

 

Bauer guarantees himself $106M just in case he loses his fingers tweeting too hard.

Bauer gets to try to redefine starting pitching in 2022.

Toronto gets an SP1/2 for the next two years but avoids major commitment after 2022.

 

It's perfect

[connorp]

2023-2025 is just an insurance policy for Bauer in case he suffers a catastrophic injury. Think of it like a two year deal with a player friendly insurance policy at the end. The main point is that Bauer gets to try his start every four days thing in 2022 - no team is actually going to let him do that under a normal contract structure. And he'd be an idiot to take a one year deal right now when he could get six figures guaranteed, so that contract is the compromise.

 

Bauer guarantees himself $106M just in case he loses his fingers tweeting too hard.

Bauer gets to try to redefine starting pitching in 2022.

Toronto gets an SP1/2 for the next two years but avoids major commitment after 2022.

 

It's perfect

 

If a team is offering 5/175 say (which is practical).. with opt outs even... but they won’t let Bauer pitch every 4th day, he would be a f’n idiot to turn it down out of some kind of machismo principle. All signs point to him cashing in/selling out from all the smack talk he’s done

[wilko]

Would definitely prefer Paxton or Tanaka to giving up significant prospect capital to gamble on Taillon.

 

Yeah this doesn't make sense unless the Yankee's didn't want to add more payroll $. With the injury history of Taillon.. he's a huge gamble.