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[Laika]

Who were the f***ing idiots that said that they were going to make a big splash this off season with all this money available to throw around? If Shatkins don't sign at least one of Springer, Bauer or Realmuto plus at least one other second tier free agent, then the off season is a bust only based on those two f***ing idiots shooting their mouths off. We could have easily traded for Lindor and Carrasco based on what the Mets gave up and then worried about extending Lindor afterwards. Shatkins is full of s***.

 

The offseason isn't over, lol.

[The Cats Ass]

Who were the f***ing idiots that said that they were going to make a big splash this off season with all this money available to throw around? If Shatkins don't sign at least one of Springer, Bauer or Realmuto plus at least one other second tier free agent, then the off season is a bust only based on those two f***ing idiots shooting their mouths off. We could have easily traded for Lindor and Carrasco based on what the Mets gave up and then worried about extending Lindor afterwards. Shatkins is full of s***.

 

I agree. We should have traded for Lindor and Carrasco. Also have signed DJL. Probably claim Hand. And maybe sign all three of Springer, Bauer, and Realmuto. Make ALL the moves.

 

Edit: Is it too late to also get Snell?

[Jimcanuck]

Who were the f***ing idiots that said that they were going to make a big splash this off season with all this money available to throw around? If Shatkins don't sign at least one of Springer, Bauer or Realmuto plus at least one other second tier free agent, then the off season is a bust only based on those two f***ing idiots shooting their mouths off. We could have easily traded for Lindor and Carrasco based on what the Mets gave up and then worried about extending Lindor afterwards. Shatkins is full of s***.

 

Are you OK, man?

[jerb]

 

Ken Rosenthal

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Angels in agreement with free-agent catcher Kurt Suzuki on one-year, $1.5M contract, source tells The Athletic.

[TheHurl]

Who were the f***ing idiots that said that they were going to make a big splash this off season with all this money available to throw around? If Shatkins don't sign at least one of Springer, Bauer or Realmuto plus at least one other second tier free agent, then the off season is a bust only based on those two f***ing idiots shooting their mouths off. We could have easily traded for Lindor and Carrasco based on what the Mets gave up and then worried about extending Lindor afterwards. Shatkins is full of s***.

 

You need to learn to speak Shatkins. As does the media and many other fans.

 

On a side note I know of a guy that bought a Jays Springer jersey already.

[Krylian]

LeMathieu signs for 6/90...and the Jays offered 4/78?

 

If that's not a big f*** You to the Jays, I don't know what is.

[RustyTrombone]

LeMathieu signs for 6/90...and the Jays offered 4/78?

 

If that's not a big f*** You to the Jays, I don't know what is.

 

I really dont think it is. DLM clearly had a preference of going back with the yankees with the caveat that they get close to his number which was around 100 million. Jays had the best offer at 4 yr 78 mill which forced the yankees hand to raise their offer or see a divisional rival get their best player from the last two years. Dont think the Jays were really ever in it unless the yankees either completely bowed out or lowballed the f*** out of him.

[connorp]

The years are kind of irrelevant on some of these guys. You assume they will be dead money before the end of the deal. Kind of misleading to even look at the AAV.

 

$90M is more than people thought DJL would get at the outset of the offseason so even if Toronto only offered $78M I'm happy that someone bid the Yankees up.

 

Yeah I’m kind of warming up to it. Seems like a good compromise for both parties. DJ likely wasn’t getting more than 4 years anywhere else. Gets the money he was looking for, it’s just stretched out an extra year that benefits the Yankees. Not like it’d be likely that he’d be looking at a lucrative FA deal at 37. May have left like $5-10m on the table that last year- if he’s even worth that then

[Krylian]

I really dont think it is. DLM clearly had a preference of going back with the yankees with the caveat that they get close to his number which was around 100 million. Jays had the best offer at 4 yr 78 mill which forced the yankees hand to raise their offer or see a divisional rival get their best player from the last two years. Dont think the Jays were really ever in it unless the yankees either completely bowed out or lowballed the f*** out of him.

 

That's the point. They were a pawn and he didn't really want to be here...unless they outbid everyone by a fair margin.

[RustyTrombone]

That's the point. They were a pawn and he didn't really want to be here...unless they outbid everyone by a fair margin.

 

Lol fair enough. That is pretty disrespectful. Feels like that's how the jays are being used by everyone

[connorp]

Lol fair enough. That is pretty disrespectful. Feels like that's how the jays are being used by everyone

 

Yeah so far the reported offers seem fair. Gausman 3/40, DJL.. Springer a bit low at 5/110 but that was an initial offer so 5/125 is a likely final offer but prob someone else will pay that and he’ll go there. Gotta overpay for guys, that’s the unfortunate rub

[G-Snarls]

Dodgers and Cody Bellinger agree at 16.1M. Pretty good for a 25 year old super 2 arb-2 player.

 

They should get an extension done. He's going to get super expensive anyway with two more years of arbitration.

[max silver]

Yeah so far the reported offers seem fair. Gausman 3/40, DJL.. Springer a bit low at 5/110 but that was an initial offer so 5/125 is a likely final offer but prob someone else will pay that and he’ll go there. Gotta overpay for guys, that’s the unfortunate rub

 

I think the Jays misread the market a bit thinking that there would be large reductions in free agent prices. If guys are choosing to go back to Japan, accept qualifying offers or sign for relative peanuts elsewhere then you would hope the front office snaps back to reality and ups their game.

[Laika]

I think the Jays misread the market a bit...

 

The market has barely happened. If some players are going to end up signing surprisingly cheap deals those will happen at the very end of the offseason, anyway.

[Krylian]

The market has barely happened. If some players are going to end up signing surprisingly cheap deals those will happen at the very end of the offseason, anyway.

 

The question is, is it better to get in there, take what you want, and go for a beer....OR....wait until everyone has partnered up and hope you're not stuck with a bunch of uggos at the end of the night.

[Abomination]

I think the Jays misread the market a bit thinking that there would be large reductions in free agent prices. If guys are choosing to go back to Japan, accept qualifying offers or sign for relative peanuts elsewhere then you would hope the front office snaps back to reality and ups their game.

 

6/90 seems like a pretty big reduction in one free agent price, and the fact that players are returning to Japan seems to reinforce that the FA prices are indeed largely reduced. Your argument makes no sense. You are literally providing examples that disprove your theory.

[max silver]

The market has barely happened. If some players are going to end up signing surprisingly cheap deals those will happen at the very end of the offseason, anyway.

 

It's only natural that with every big fish that comes off of the board the scrutiny facing the front office is going to intensify. They set the expectations extremely high of real difference makers being brought into the fold and have come in second place in every high profile player they've been involved with.

[max silver]

6/90 seems like a pretty big reduction in one free agent price, and the fact that players are returning to Japan seems to reinforce that the FA prices are indeed largely reduced. Your argument makes no sense. You are literally providing examples that disprove your theory.

 

My point is that the Jays front office thought prices would be even lower than they already are. Their stated intent of bringing aboard two elite players, or 4 very good players, or whatever permutation you prefer to go with is obviously predicated on these players accepting the offers the Jays sent out to them, and seeing as how they are zero for whatever total number of players they've negotiated with shows that they are not willing to spend above their low valuations.

[connorp]

6/90 seems like a pretty big reduction in one free agent price, and the fact that players are returning to Japan seems to reinforce that the FA prices are indeed largely reduced. Your argument makes no sense. You are literally providing examples that disprove your theory.

 

Well, based on reports of Toronto offering 4/78 that’s a really fair market value offer. The possibility he signed a favorable deal with NY can’t be ignored. Most of the other signings so far suggest Covid discount is a myth. Sugano had a certain price in mind and was open about demanding it, or else. He chose else

[Deadpool]

That's the point. They were a pawn and he didn't really want to be here...unless they outbid everyone by a fair margin.

 

I think it's less that he really didn't want to be here, than it is that it really DID want to be in New York...

[Carlos Danger]

The question is, is it better to get in there, take what you want, and go for a beer....OR....wait until everyone has partnered up and hope you're not stuck with a bunch of uggos at the end of the night.

 

Story of my 20's and 30's

[connorp]

Story of my 20's and 30's

 

Not Jim. He never had to settle for less than a 9

[Carlos Danger]

Lol fair enough. That is pretty disrespectful. Feels like that's how the jays are being used by everyone

 

MLB radio has been saying the same thing all day. They preface by saying, no disrespect to Toronto, "but" they are being used by all these players. DJ, Springer, JTR. Don't know if that is actually true with last two until the music stops. However, it makes sense and sure seems like it.

[Laika]

The question is, is it better to get in there, take what you want, and go for a beer....OR....wait until everyone has partnered up and hope you're not stuck with a bunch of uggos at the end of the night.

 

Last time the Jays got in there quick they got stuck with Kendrys Morales

[Laika]

It's only natural that with every big fish that comes off of the board the scrutiny facing the front office is going to intensify. They set the expectations extremely high of real difference makers being brought into the fold and have come in second place in every high profile player they've been involved with.

 

We don't know if they even really wanted most of these players. It's not "coming in 2nd" if you only have a passing interest and then agents decide to pretend you are #2 to increase demand for their client.

[Carlos Danger]

Last time the Jays got in there quick they got stuck with Kendrys Morales

 

Touche... That's like saying I am getting laid tonight by 8 pm and I don't care what she looks like...

[G-Snarls]

Last time the Jays got in there quick they got stuck with Kendrys Morales

 

0/10 would not bang

[Carlos Danger]

Not Jim. He never had to settle for less than a 9

 

Remember, Jim is hearing impaired, so his body has compensated power to his eyes. He has super power eyes and it turns 4s into 9s. when he is looking at them. So it is actually a true statement from Jim's perspective.

[glory]

The fact that most of the FA's are still available and the Jays haven't signed anyone except their own (Ray) seems to suggest it is the opposite of misreading the market. Misreading the market is giving $45m to Morales and Pearce in Nov/Dec and then seeing the 1B/DH market completely crater shortly after that. Right now the Jays appear to be reading the market perfectly. It doesn't mean they will end up with any of the top names, but they haven't missed out on them yet (DJ was never leaving the Yanks) and haven't sunk some of their resources into lesser players before seeing what happens to the big guys.

[EZe]

There’s another option, settle for a player plus gain prospect capital from a team looking to dump salary. There’s spots where these would still be upgrades.

I would not grossly overpay for one of the elite options. If the Springer market intel is accurate I’d max out at 5/125. Also wouldn’t settle for mid tier FA’s.

Cash is still king and there’s a smart way to use it especially when it’s short in supply across the baseball universe.