Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[z3r0s]

yeah I'd love an option with Pax, but I don't see it being in his interest.

 

I've always loved Pax, even back to when he didn't f'n sign with us when we drafted him.

 

Sign me up for Pax for fandom reasons alone!

[Rafters]

Bauer or 2 of Tanaka, Paxton or Odorizzi? Think I would take Pax and Odo...and you could probably get an infielder like La Stella as well for how much Bauer will cost...

[glory]

Bauer or 2 of Tanaka, Paxton or Odorizzi? Think I would take Pax and Odo...and you could probably get an infielder like La Stella as well for how much Bauer will cost...

 

Hard to say without knowing what it would cost, but at face value, Bauer would be the better way to go. Younger, healthier, more upside. You'd feel pretty good going into a playoff series with Ryu-Bauer-Pearson. However, if Bauer is not an option for whatever reason, then Paxton + Tanaka would be a solid fallback, especially if both are on one year deals (would minimize risk for the Jays tremendously).

[Ryu In My House]

I see more like a 1 x $12 million

 

If Happ and Robbie Ray get $8 Paxton gets $12

And Tanaka $15

 

I would say that is more realistic. I would actually ay > $15M for Paxton. An overpay? Maybe.

[Ryu In My House]

Hard to say without knowing what it would cost, but at face value, Bauer would be the better way to go. Younger, healthier, more upside. You'd feel pretty good going into a playoff series with Ryu-Bauer-Pearson. However, if Bauer is not an option for whatever reason, then Paxton + Tanaka would be a solid fallback, especially if both are on one year deals (would minimize risk for the Jays tremendously).

 

I would actually like to see the Jays off Bauer a 1-year, $40M contract. I think he might bite. Highest AAV in MLB history. Then sign a 2nd tier arm like Walker for ~ $10M.

[JFD]

Tanaka/Paxton isn't close to good enough. If they were any good the Yankees would be all over them. We need Bauer and then trade for Castillo or Kyle Hendricks

[jaysguy44]

OFFICIAL: Jays have traded RHP Hector Perez to the Reds for a player to be named later or cash considerations. https://t.co/9FsMFbFHDg

[wilko]

OFFICIAL: Jays have traded RHP Hector Perez to the Reds for a player to be named later or cash considerations. https://t.co/9FsMFbFHDg

 

[G-Snarls]

Not the Reds trade I was hoping for

[BTS]

Yamaguchi has survived the roster crunch

[Sammy225]

OFFICIAL: Jays have traded RHP Hector Perez to the Reds for a player to be named later or cash considerations. https://t.co/9FsMFbFHDg

 

Now we are f***ed

[Laika]

Perez sucks but it annoys me tremendously that the organization had him starting until (almost) the bitter end.

 

That's the exact type of player that should have been a pure reliever in 2019 if not 2018.

 

They basically never found out what they might have had in RP Hector Perez because they wasted 2.5 years watching horrible SP Perez.

[G-Snarls]

Yamaguchi has survived the roster crunch

 

But you promised!

 

I am dissapoint

Edited January 22, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Eat My Shatkins]

Well that's all she wrote for the Osuna trade then, depending on if they actually take PTBNL from the Reds or not.

[Laika]

Well that's all she wrote for the Osuna trade then, depending on if they actually take PTBNL from the Reds or not.

 

whoa, not so fast --- what if they take the cash and buy a Dominican child and in 8 years he is awesome?

[BTS]

Well that's all she wrote for the Osuna trade then, depending on if they actually take PTBNL from the Reds or not.

 

Kind of crazy that all four players have completely flamed out within 2.5 years with both orgs having nothing left to show for any of them.

[RobinThicc]

 

"Jays, already having a big week/winter, have been in touch with SS extraordinaire Andrelton Simmons"

[Jays24]

Jays are touching more people than Bill Cosby. Enough already lol.

[wamco]

Perez sucks but it annoys me tremendously that the organization had him starting until (almost) the bitter end.

 

That's the exact type of player that should have been a pure reliever in 2019 if not 2018.

 

They basically never found out what they might have had in RP Hector Perez because they wasted 2.5 years watching horrible SP Perez.

 

X2 for agree

[THANOS]

 

It's behind a paywall unfortunately

[Key22]

I heard somewhere where Ryu prefers to pitch every 6 days - so Bauer might be a good match.

 

But his career numbers don't really look worth $36-$40m that he wants. 12 great starts isn't a risk we should take. $150/5? Seems steep

 

I don't see any mention of an actual contract offer or numbers.

 

What would it take to get him?

Edited January 23, 2021 by Key22

[Jays24]

I heard somewhere where Ryu prefers to pitch every 6 days - so Bauer might be a goo match.

 

But his career numbers don't really look worth $36-$40m that he wants. 12 great starts isn't a risk we should take. $150/5? Seems steep

 

I don't see any mention of an actual contract offer or numbers.

 

What would it take to get him?

 

Ya thats a huge concern. I would think he needs one more amazing season before he can warrant Superstar Ace type money. Dont get me wrong, id love to have him but I'd just be hesitant to give anything more than 4/5 years at 35 per.

[Spanky99]

AKA - Spider sense. Got it.

 

No, common sense.

 

And catchers. And pitchers. Essentially, everyone but the CF, 2B and 1B position.

 

Also, you don't say? I know which positions generally have stronger arms, meat. I wasn't asking for you to explain the ABCs of baseball. I was wanting an actual source for your posit; metrics, comparing Cavan's arm to Didi's. Because both players could conceivably play 2B or 3B if Didi is signed.

 

You could have just said "because I guess he does" and be done with it. Or actually supply a "source".

 

So why'd you ask, if you know FFS's? Both can play 3rd but defensively Didi is far better and he has a cannon, long known in the MLB is his defense and arm are great, the bat is gravy, leave Cavan at 2nd he's fine there. Two other guys replied to you, why no snark? Also, Laika I'm not in that "noodle arm" group, that too is absurd. ABC's of ball, lol.

[JFD]

Sell the farm for Castillo!!! please!

 

We have the assets to get it done.

 

Can't let the Yankees get him. It's game over if they do...

 

Then sign Bauer to rub salt in the wounds

 

Go Jays!

Edited January 23, 2021 by JFD

[Key22]

 

Didi is far better and he has a cannon, long known in the MLB is his defense and arm are great, the bat is gravy, leave Cavan at 2nd he's fine there. Two other guys replied to you, why no snark? Also, Laika I'm not in that "noodle arm" group, that too is absurd. ABC's of ball, lol.

 

I really like the idea of Didi at third and he can move around if injuries occur - veteran bat - leadership - playoff tested (FWIW). Anyone have ideas on what kind of contract he will command? Seems like a really solid option.

[Key22]

Sell the farm for Castillo!!! please!

 

We have the assets to get it done.

 

Can't let the Yankees get him. It's game over if they do...

 

Then sign Bauer to rub salt in the wounds

 

Go Jays!

 

Maybe a Castillo and Suarez and Moustakas and Gray mega deal. Taking on considerable dollars and freeing up the Reds of considerable dollars may lighten what we would have to return.

 

Vlad and Biggio + and + I dunno but that would probably be the major league pieces they would want back and Manoah and Groshans might be the next two.

[Spanky99]

Welp...

[Spanky99]

From Kenny Ken @ the Athletic, Jays still in on Bauer as SN suggests as well...

 

 

By Ken Rosenthal Jan 22, 2021 144

(Editor’s note: This story has been updated with additional information about Bauer’s social media interactions and a statement from Bauer.)

 

The Mets are considering signing free-agent right-hander Trevor Bauer, a move that, coming days after the team’s firing of general manager Jared Porter for sexual harassment, would invite a different form of scrutiny for the club.

 

Bauer, the top pitcher on the open market, never has been accused of doing anything as egregious as Porter. But he is an active and occasionally controversial social-media presence, and the Mets are aware his addition would renew questions about the team’s culture.

 

In 2019, a student at Texas State University, Nikki Giles, said she felt harassed by a series of tweets from Bauer. Bauer’s exchange with Giles was not sexual, but he later acknowledged on Twitter that it was out of line.

 

“I have been made aware that some of the interactions related to a specific Twitter exchange may have had a negative impact,” Bauer said. “That was not my intention. I will wield the responsibility of my public platform more responsibly in the future.”

 

Bauer, however, got into another Twitter conflict in August, after New York Daily News writer Kate Feldman responded to his promotion of a video in which he discussed a potential COVID-19 outbreak among the Reds.

 

Feldman said, “When you’re definitely worried about the health and safety of your teammates . . .” Bauer replied, “When you’re definitely terrible at your job or desperate for someone to notice you. Here, let me send more followers your way. Have a wonderful day.”

 

“I had death threats and Holocaust jokes in my mentions for months after he went after me,” Feldman tweeted Friday night. “I didn’t tag him. I didn’t even (quote tweet) him. This is what his followers did after he told them to go after me. This is OK with his agent, reporters and, I guess, the Mets.”

 

Bauer frequently responds to fans on Twitter, male and female, who he believes are provoking him or seeking attention. He had at least one other tweet in recent months that caused some of his followers to go after the recipient, exposing her to their harassment. In general, the fallout for women on Twitter is harsher than it is for men.

 

In a statement on Friday, Bauer said, “I have always tried to be an open book and appreciate that social media gives me a platform to have an open dialogue with fans and the greater public.

 

I don’t shy away from confrontation and am often quick to defend myself, but I am by no means a bully and I take great offense to my character being called into question. I understand what comes with having a following on social media but I have never asked for nor do I condone anyone making threats or lewd comments on my behalf.”

 

Some in baseball also take exception with Bauer’s personality, but he was well-liked by his Reds teammates last season while producing a 1.73 ERA in 73 innings and winning the National League Cy Young Award. The Mets are not the only club talking about signing him. The Dodgers and Blue Jays are among the other clubs believed to be in the mix. The Twins are not, sources said, in response to an earlier version of this story.

 

The Mets’ interest in Bauer is not new, but sources said it has become more focused in recent days, in the wake of the Blue Jays reaching an agreement with free-agent outfielder George Springer on a six-year, $150 million contract.

 

The Blue Jays struck their deal with Springer on Tuesday, the same day the Mets dismissed Porter after an ESPN report revealed that he had sent a journalist from a foreign country explicit, unsolicited photos, including a photo of a naked penis.

 

The Mets had targeted Springer and appear likely to sign shortstop Francisco Lindor, whom they acquired in a trade earlier this month from the Indians, to a contract extension worth more than $300 million.

 

The addition of Bauer likely would put them over the $210 million luxury-tax threshold, recently described by team president Sandy Alderson as a “significant demarcation.” But the team also has maintained it might be willing to exceed the threshold for certain players.

 

The price Bauer would command is unclear. Entering his age-30 season, he is open to both short- and long-term contracts. The Mets, like the Dodgers, likely would prefer a short-term deal with a high average annual value. And because Bauer rejected the Reds’ qualifying offer, the Mets would forfeit their second-highest pick in the draft and $500,000 from their international bonus pool if they signed him.

[Spanky99]

I really like the idea of Didi at third and he can move around if injuries occur - veteran bat - leadership - playoff tested (FWIW). Anyone have ideas on what kind of contract he will command? Seems like a really solid option.

 

No numbers have been leaked on him or Bauer, in this market it's anyone's guess, I'd say 15m on a single year might do it.

[max silver]

Maybe a Castillo and Suarez and Moustakas and Gray mega deal. Taking on considerable dollars and freeing up the Reds of considerable dollars may lighten what we would have to return.

 

Vlad and Biggio + and + I dunno but that would probably be the major league pieces they would want back and Manoah and Groshans might be the next two.

 

So much for the goal of sustained winning if a trade like that is made. You subtract two cheap core pieces as well as two of the top prospects in the system all in one tidy package.