Blue Jays acquire Ross Stripling from the Dodgers for Kendall Williams, PTBNL

[Krylian]

Hate to see Williams go. I really think he's going to become something meaningful.

[jaysguy44]

Hmmm.....

[THANOS]

Yep, not a fan of dealing Kendall Williams for Stripling at all.

[Brownie19]

Williams is a more significant prospect than I would have expected. I'm not a big fan of this deal any more, but it's alright.

 

I'm with you on this one Grant. We've been on the same page the past 2 days.

[Orgfiller]

What did you guys expect we were giving up? Stripling is a good pitcher with two more seasons of control after this one. It was never going to be a couple of no-name prospects, someone decent had to go.

[King]

Anyone who has a problem with these deals does not understand how baseball works - these deals are necessary in order to roster crunch and add talent to the major league roster.

 

You simply cannot keep every prospect in the org. with rule 5 restrictions - the fringy ones have to go for upgrades. Most of the Padres deals this year were about fixing their 40-man roster problem, Potts and Rosario in the Moreland deal both had to be added this offseason or would be exposed. This is part of the process of being a good team.

 

I have no problem with turning a Kendall Williams type into Ross Stripling.

[Ray]

lol Kendall Williams has pitched all of 16 innings in rookie ball and is already 20. I too would prefer that the Dodgers had taken our garbage and given us a solid pitcher like Stripling in return, but their front office is actually competant.

 

Better Kendell Williams than Adam Kloffenstein. We'll probably draft another Kendell Williams in the 2nd round next year to make up for this.

[Grant77]

I'm with you on this one Grant. We've been on the same page the past 2 days.

 

It's a little scary, isn't it?

[Grant77]

Anyone who has a problem with these deals does not understand how baseball works - these deals are necessary in order to roster crunch and add talent to the major league roster.

 

You simply cannot keep every prospect in the org. with rule 5 restrictions - the fringy ones have to go for upgrades. Most of the Padres deals this year were about fixing their 40-man roster problem, Potts and Rosario in the Moreland deal both had to be added this offseason or would be exposed. This is part of the process of being a good team.

 

I have no problem with turning a Kendall Williams type into Ross Stripling.

 

I don't have a big problem with the trade, but to pretend that a 2019 draftee is creating a roster crunch is pretty ridiculous.

[King]

I don't have a big problem with the trade, but to pretend that a 2019 draftee is creating a roster crunch is pretty ridiculous.

I said with "these deals" - not just referencing the Williams trade. Conine has to be added to the 40 man at the end of next season - possibly they wanted to move on from him before he torpedoes his value at higher levels.

[Grant77]

I said with "these deals" - not just referencing the Williams trade. Conine has to be added to the 40 man at the end of next season - possibly they wanted to move on from him before he torpedoes his value at higher levels.

 

I don't think he would be added anyways, but fair enough. I liked all of the other trades very much. The Steipling one I am on the fence.

[King]

I don't think he would be added anyways, but fair enough. I liked all of the other trades very much. The Steipling one I am on the fence.

Just thinking out loud now but there are a lot of similarities between the JB Woodman for Aledmys Diaz trade and Conine for Villar trade. Conine now is likely a better prospect than Woodman was at the time of the trade however, but similar profiles and draft positions.

[Slade]

Would of preferred to give up Pardhino or someone from our glut of middle infielders. Not a big fan of this trade now.

[Captain Adama]

Ross Stripling is basically Kendall Williams reaching the 90+% percentile outcome of his MLB career if he makes it at all.

[BTS]

Ross Stripling is basically Kendall Williams reaching the 90+% percentile outcome of his MLB career if he makes it at all.

 

Yup. He’s been great for 400 innings before stumbling a bit in 30 innings this year. I’m not sure why people thought 2+ years of him would basically be free.

[Brownie19]

Yup. He’s been great for 400 innings before stumbling a bit in 30 innings this year. I’m not sure why people thought 2+ years of him would basically be free.

 

Don't publicly shame the internal optimists. We got Hatch for nothing last year and we liked how that felt!

[Ray]

Yup. He’s been great for 400 innings before stumbling a bit in 30 innings this year. I’m not sure why people thought 2+ years of him would basically be free.

 

It's because of the Angels deal. People thought that the Angels were robbing the Dodgers in the Pederson/Stripling for Rengifo deal. In reality, Rengifo has posted very intriguing numbers in the minors whilst being young for the level. He was listed as a 45 FV in the Angels Fangraphs list and ranked 7th. Apparently the second piece was Chris Rodriguez, who has posted good peripherals in the minors as a SP. He was ranked as the 9th best prospect and as 40+ FV. So they were getting two top 10 prospects in return for Pederson and Stripling. Pretty fair deal.

 

We've basically given up the Chris Rodriguez equivalent in Kendell Williams (both 40 FV), if not less because Kendell is a lot further away than Rodriguez. Which makes sense given there was a slight discount because Stripling has had a rough start.

[Captain Adama]

It's because of the Angels deal. People thought that the Angels were robbing the Dodgers in the Pederson/Stripling for Rengifo deal. In reality, Rengifo has posted very intriguing numbers in the minors whilst being young for the level. He was listed as a 45 FV in the Angels Fangraphs list and ranked 7th. Apparently the second piece was Chris Rodriguez, who has posted good peripherals in the minors as a SP. He was ranked as the 9th best prospect and as 40+ FV. So they were getting two top 10 prospects in return for Pederson and Stripling. Pretty fair deal.

 

We've basically given up the Chris Rodriguez equivalent in Kendell Williams (both 40 FV), if not less because Kendell is a lot further away than Rodriguez. Which makes sense given there was a slight discount because Stripling has had a rough start.

 

Yup it's a pretty good deal for both sides. The Jaya need pitching help at the MLB now while their core is starting to reach their prime. The Dodgers have a glut of pitching, Stripping is a lower on their MLB depth chart and need to replenish their lower farm levels.

 

It makes perfect sense for both sides.

[glory]

Williams is rule 5 eligible in December 2023. Conine in December 2021. Robertson (if he's the one going for Walker) in December 2022. I don't think it's fair to say cleansing the roster of potential Rule 5 clutter was a consideration in any of these moves.

 

Whether Williams for Stripling was worth doing is another story. I know nothing about Williams and he's a few years away. Stripling comes with 2 years and a month of control, and his numbers as a SP in 2018-19 were very good (176.1 IP, 3.47 ERA, 3.68 FIP, 3.08 xFIP). Given where the Jays are in their competitive cycle, this was likely a fair trade if they envision serious contention in 2021-22, which I'm guessing they do, and if they think Stripling will pitch to his 2018-19 form moving forward (which I'm sure they do otherwise they don't make this move). The only reason this might look bad in hindsight is because the Dodgers player development is excellent, but as mentioned if Williams ends up being even as good as Stripling it would be an accomplishment. Pitching prospects suck.

[BlueRocky]

I like Ross Stripling.

 

One prospect had to be included to get the deal done. Of the real prospects they could trade away, Kendall is the guy I’m most comfortable parting with. The Dodgers could very well turn him into a stud and fans will cry about it, but at some point the team needs to trade pieces away to win. At least if Kendall becomes a stud, he won’t be pitching against us. He’s way too far away to tell.

 

When Stripling is good, he’s a significant upgrade over Anderson and Roark, while also under control for 2 more years after this season. He was good 2018-2019, four mediocre starts shouldn’t override a two year sample with 1.8 fWAR in 90.1 IP in 2019.

 

The Blue Jays have added Ross Stripling, Robbie Ray, Taijuan Walker, Jonathan Villar, and Daniel Vogelbach in a week. Those are some serious upgrades and pretty much the entire farm system is still intact. That’s a pretty good job.

[WONDERBAT]

Traded away the next Syndergaard again. Definitely going to look back at this thread in a few years and regret this trade.

 

Could of easily got by with Ray and Walker for the rest of this season.

[Ray]

Traded away the next Syndergaard again. Definitely going to look back at this thread in a few years and regret this trade.

 

Could of easily got by with Ray and Walker for the rest of this season.

 

This might be one of the dumbest comments I've read on here.

 

Kendell Williams is a 20 year old who has logged 16 innings in rookie ball. By his age, Syndergaard was a consensus top prospect throwing in the high 90's and dominating AA hitters.

[Laika]

This might be one of the dumbest comments I've read on here.

 

Kendell Williams is a 20 year old who has logged 16 innings in rookie ball. By his age, Syndergaard was a consensus top prospect throwing in the high 90's and dominating AA hitters.

 

I don't think this is fair. The summer Syndergaard turned 20 was 2012. He pitched 100 innings in Lansing that year.

If there was a minor league season this year Kendall Williams would have turned 20 while at least pitching in Vancouver.

 

I agree that Syndergaard would have looked like the better chip in context but there's no need to exaggerate.

[Brownie19]

Who would you guys have rather had? Musgrove or Stripling if the price was Williams?

[Orgfiller]

Who would you guys have rather had? Musgrove or Stripling if the price was Williams?

 

Musgrove, but I have a feeling the price for him was higher than Williams. 3 years younger and coming off a 3.3 WAR season in 170 innings.

[WONDERBAT]

This might be one of the dumbest comments I've read on here.

 

Kendell Williams is a 20 year old who has logged 16 innings in rookie ball. By his age, Syndergaard was a consensus top prospect throwing in the high 90's and dominating AA hitters.

 

Why are you so focused on age, rather than the stuff and projection? Getting drafted as an older high schooler out of IMG academy he's not going to have a ton of innings of pro ball. We won't know until a minor league season is played but I bet when one is played he starts skyrocketing to top 100 lists.

[Captain Adama]

Why are you so focused on age, rather than the stuff and projection? Getting drafted as an older high schooler out of IMG academy he's not going to have a ton of innings of pro ball. We won't know until a minor league season is played but I bet when one is played he starts skyrocketing to top 100 lists.

 

Because performance with age vs level is one of the biggest predictors of success at the major leagues.

[metafour]

Why are you so focused on age, rather than the stuff and projection? Getting drafted as an older high schooler out of IMG academy he's not going to have a ton of innings of pro ball. We won't know until a minor league season is played but I bet when one is played he starts skyrocketing to top 100 lists.

 

Syndergaard was already showing considerably better stuff at the same age, so your comparison is stupid. That was the entire point. The fact that he's 6'6 doesn't mean s*** about his velocity (ie: no, it doesn't mean we just gave up a guy who going to throw 100mph).

 

Also: while we haven't seen Kendall Williams pitch this year because the MILB season was cancelled, would we not expect the Blue Jays front office to HAVE seen him pitch behind the scenes? If it looked like he was showing anything near Syndergaard level ability, he wouldn't have been traded for Stripling.

[WONDERBAT]

Time will tell right.

[Brownie19]

Musgrove, but I have a feeling the price for him was higher than Williams. 3 years younger and coming off a 3.3 WAR season in 170 innings.

 

It's interesting because Stripling projects to give you 2.9 and 3.4 WAR over 170 innings in 2018/2019. That's top 30-40 in baseball for starting pitchers.

 

Anyone know why the Dodgers limited his starts/innings so much? Just because their staff was so deep and good? He's been used kinda of similar to Kenta Maeda (although Maeda was a shut down setup man in the playoffs, while Stripling was more of a low leverage guy).

 

We can only hope that once he escapes LA, he flourishes like Maeda has this year for the Twins.