How did they not have a plan B in place?

[Brenner]

Plan Z is best: forfeit all games, demote all players to the minors to preserve any service time they can, and get the top pick in the draft next year.

 

Calling Buffalo a worse case scenario is true but cruel. Even a homeless team looks at Buffalo and is saying no thanks. Did Randal really need to say that? We still have our AAA team there, don't need to burn bridges as you pass by to greener pastures.

 

We are getting closer to Plan Z with each day now.

[WILLIEUPSHAW]

We are getting closer to Plan Z with each day now.

 

Naw, this team is pretty good. I bet they go around .500 regardless of where they play the games!

[Jonn]

The more I look into it the Omaha option sounds really appealing. Geography might be the issue there though. If we had more time they may have been able to temporarily realign the divisions putting us in the NL Central and the Pirates in the AL East. But yea the stadium in Omaha looks incredible. Extremely low amount of Covid cases. And they host the Creighton Blue Jays along with the College World Series. Its crazy that we still have no idea what they are going to do.

[FrozenRopes]

Getting worse by the moment.

 

These guys are going to end up playing 60 road games.

[LGBJ29]

 

 

It’s just so ironic a day after the President of the Pirates makes this statement, the state government would come out and revoke any help to the Blue Jays.

 

 

I think the Pirates and the City of Pittsburgh we're welcoming the Jays with open arms and looking forward to boosting the North Shore economy. If they had it their way the Jays would be playing there. Unfortunately it was left up to Gov. Wolf who decided to be a huge bitch

[Olerud363]

I think the Pirates and the City of Pittsburgh we're welcoming the Jays with open arms and looking forward to boosting the North Shore economy. If they had it their way the Jays would be playing there. Unfortunately it was left up to Gov. Wolf who decided to be a huge bitch

 

Well it was the same with the Canadian government. City and province approved it and the Federal government stepped in.

 

It's just politics. If they really cared about borders they would of closed the border earlier than late March. In fact up until early March Trudeau was claiming "the science' showed that border closures didn't help

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-trudeau-coronavirus-travel-1.5486799

 

The above article was from March 5th

 

"During a briefing with reporters Wednesday, Canada's Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam said again that sealing off borders is not an effective approach to containing the virus. She said border measures work better when they focus on educating travellers about the symptoms, and what they should do if they get sick."

 

So on March 5th closing the border is unscientific, on July 23rd completely closing it to everyone except Truckers and NHL players, and people visiting family in Florida is the scientific approach.

[Laika]

I think the Pirates and the City of Pittsburgh we're welcoming the Jays with open arms and looking forward to boosting the North Shore economy. If they had it their way the Jays would be playing there. Unfortunately it was left up to Gov. Wolf who decided to be a huge bitch

 

Probably has to be a state with a republican governor at this point. With a country and a state both saying no, there is a pretty strong precedent that other states will be hesitant to deviate from.

[Brownie19]

Probably has to be a state with a republican governor at this point. With a country and a state both saying no, there is a pretty strong precedent that other states will be hesitant to deviate from.

 

Is there a chance that NY axes Buffalo as a possibility? I guess Dunedin is still viable because nobody cares about containing anything in Florida? Is that the logic?

[Brownie19]

Apparently Baltimore is willing to let us use Camden Yards - but we need to get through the Maryland Governor.

 

According to Ken Rosenthal and Dan Connolly of The Athletic, the Blue Jays are now discussing using Camden Yards for most of their home games.

The plan has been approved by the Orioles, and Major League Baseball would certainly welcome it, but the Blue Jays still need the go-ahead from the Maryland governor's office. They thought they had a plan in place to stage games at Pittsburgh's PNC Park, but the Pennsylvania state government denied the proposal in the end. Buffalo remains the likely fallback if the Camden Yards idea is not approved.

 

Jays have good taste in temporary homes. PNC and Camden Yards are both Top 5 in baseball.

[glory]

Maryland governor is a Republican, so at least there is a glimmer of hope of this being accepted, but at this rate I'm not expecting it.

[Laika]

Apparently Baltimore is willing to let us use Camden Yards - but we need to get through the Maryland Governor.

 

According to Ken Rosenthal and Dan Connolly of The Athletic, the Blue Jays are now discussing using Camden Yards for most of their home games.

The plan has been approved by the Orioles, and Major League Baseball would certainly welcome it, but the Blue Jays still need the go-ahead from the Maryland governor's office. They thought they had a plan in place to stage games at Pittsburgh's PNC Park, but the Pennsylvania state government denied the proposal in the end. Buffalo remains the likely fallback if the Camden Yards idea is not approved.

 

Jays have good taste in temporary homes. PNC and Camden Yards are both Top 5 in baseball.

 

Again, we see it implied in a report that MLB is being largely passive in this. I can't understand that incompetence. "Major League Baseball would certainly welcome it" --- are you kidding me, Manfred? You should be leading the problem solving charge.

[Olerud363]

Maryland governor is a Republican, so at least there is a glimmer of hope of this being accepted, but at this rate I'm not expecting it.

 

I believe he is a Republican. However it can probably be stopped by a Democrat somewhere in the chain. Mayor of Baltimore is a democrat. I suspect the governor will approve and 9/10 signatures needed will be obtained, then this press release from the last guy in the chain (timed for maximum effect and political points).

 

"After consulting with public health officials, scientists, experts, and taking a close look at the best data and evidence available we will not be giving permission to the Toronto Blue Jays to play in Camden Yards. The increased risk to their players, our players, their staff, our staff, our local residents, and to the neighborhood, city, state, country, and global community can not be mitigated given the current reality of the COVID-19 public health crisis."

[BlueRocky]

Apparently Baltimore is willing to let us use Camden Yards - but we need to get through the Maryland Governor.

 

According to Ken Rosenthal and Dan Connolly of The Athletic, the Blue Jays are now discussing using Camden Yards for most of their home games.

The plan has been approved by the Orioles, and Major League Baseball would certainly welcome it, but the Blue Jays still need the go-ahead from the Maryland governor's office. They thought they had a plan in place to stage games at Pittsburgh's PNC Park, but the Pennsylvania state government denied the proposal in the end. Buffalo remains the likely fallback if the Camden Yards idea is not approved.

 

Jays have good taste in temporary homes. PNC and Camden Yards are both Top 5 in baseball.

 

Continued..

 

[Barkerfan23]

too bad they aren't a hockey team then the Canadian gov would have given their go ahead. Gotta protect the good old boys.

[Olerud363]

too bad they aren't a hockey team then the Canadian gov would have given their go ahead. Gotta protect the good old boys.

 

While Justin has potentially done a bit of damage to the franchise with his Blue Jay ban the concerns that the Jays are moving to Charlotte are overblown.

 

When NHL travel starts again Justin will have to approve the Jays too... can't let the 7 Canadian NHL Teams travel back and forth and not the Jays

[MisterSG1]

While Justin has potentially done a bit of damage to the franchise with his Blue Jay ban the concerns that the Jays are moving to Charlotte are overblown.

 

When NHL travel starts again Justin will have to approve the Jays too... can't let the 7 Canadian NHL Teams travel back and forth and not the Jays

 

And not just that. The three Canadian MLS teams will be in this same pickle when the tournament is over. It would not surprise me in the least if Justin will approve them and not baseball.

 

You see, baseball is an “American” sport and anything from the “evil” US should not be allowed here.

[Brownie19]

And not just that. The three Canadian MLS teams will be in this same pickle when the tournament is over. It would not surprise me in the least if Justin will approve them and not baseball.

 

You see, baseball is an “American” sport and anything from the “evil” US should not be allowed here.

 

You can't honestly believe that.

[Jonn]

How do people still not know that the NHL Teams aren’t traveling back and fourth between the US and Canada lol. The Western Conference is going to Edmonton and The Eastern Conference is going to Toronto. The only time they are traveling is for the Finals and that’s several months away. And one team will be traveling to Edmonton or Toronto. I’m assuming they will do the Stanley Cup in Toronto.

 

Completely different situation than Baseball. MLS teams will probably have to stay in the US for whatever return to play scenario they have. I don’t know I don’t follow that league. Its not good Football.

[Deadpool]

And not just that. The three Canadian MLS teams will be in this same pickle when the tournament is over. It would not surprise me in the least if Justin will approve them and not baseball.

 

You see, baseball is an “American” sport and anything from the “evil” US should not be allowed here.

 

This is a really, really weird persona you've dragged onto this board...

[Uneducatedfan]

How do people still not know that the NHL Teams aren’t traveling back and fourth between the US and Canada lol. The Western Conference is going to Edmonton and The Eastern Conference is going to Toronto. The only time they are traveling is for the Finals and that’s several months away. And one team will be traveling to Edmonton or Toronto. I’m assuming they will do the Stanley Cup in Toronto.

 

Completely different situation than Baseball. MLS teams will probably have to stay in the US for whatever return to play scenario they have. I don’t know I don’t follow that league. Its not good Football.

 

Totally agree.

 

People are totally ignoring that the NHL (and the NBA and MLS) are in bubbles with very strict rules of avoiding the general public and not traveling outside of their bubble. People are just pointing fingers and trying to create a narrative that suits their mindset. I mean, with the news that Juan Soto tested positive today (a player that could have easily been traveling to Toronto next week if they were playing up here), you'd think people would see that there is some real concern of spread. Imagine the outrage?

 

Hell, there are teams in the MLB that want to have fans in the stands. They basically have no real plan in place. The MLB and NFL just seem to be ignoring the situation going on around them.

[Dick_Pole]

LOL as much as I hate Trudeau, and as much as I disagree with this decision to keep the Jays out of Toronto, none of these arguments make any sense. The Jays were already allowed to come here and likely will again if they make the playoffs. It's the constant back and forth and invitation of several teams over a two month period that was determined to be too much.

[Olerud363]

How do people still not know that the NHL Teams aren’t traveling back and fourth between the US and Canada lol. The Western Conference is going to Edmonton and The Eastern Conference is going to Toronto. The only time they are traveling is for the Finals and that’s several months away. And one team will be traveling to Edmonton or Toronto. I’m assuming they will do the Stanley Cup in Toronto.

 

Completely different situation than Baseball. MLS teams will probably have to stay in the US for whatever return to play scenario they have. I don’t know I don’t follow that league. Its not good Football.

 

Who doesn't know that the NHL teams aren't travelling?? I just pointed out that long term the Blue Jays will be allowed back in, once the NHL starts travelling again.

 

Sorry to be cynical but I don't think this decision was based on science. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but just that next February, or whenever NHL starts travelling again, the federal government will let them travel, even if the virus situation is about the same as it is now.

 

I think if faced with having to find a new home for 7 NHL teams they will have to, and the Blue Jays will also be to travel again then too.

[Boxcar]

Is there a chance that NY axes Buffalo as a possibility? I guess Dunedin is still viable because nobody cares about containing anything in Florida? Is that the logic?

 

Well, Andrew Cuomo is currently basking in media glory because all of his vulnerable population already died of Covid, so the number of cases and deaths are down, I could see him also nixing the Jays. I'm not really sure what the justification is for these governors.

[Boxcar]

Continued..

 

 

You'd think Baltimorons would want to see a winning team in Camden Yards

[Boxcar]

Again, we see it implied in a report that MLB is being largely passive in this. I can't understand that incompetence. "Major League Baseball would certainly welcome it" --- are you kidding me, Manfred? You should be leading the problem solving charge.

 

Manfred is solving more important problems, like reducing game times by five minutes

[Jonn]

You'd think Baltimorons would want to see a winning team in Camden Yards

 

I would love to get Orioles Hangout’s thoughts on this. Should venture on over using a Maryland IP address.

[Olerud363]

Well, Andrew Cuomo is currently basking in media glory because all of his vulnerable population already died of Covid, so the number of cases and deaths are down, I could see him also nixing the Jays. I'm not really sure what the justification is for these governors.

 

I think blaming Cuomo for the deaths in long term care homes is misguided. He was the first to deal with this, and was told by his "experts" that the hospitals were going to be a war zone (they were) and he needed 30000 extra rooms and ventilators (that part was not true). He ended up trying to find extra hospital rooms everywhere and it wasn't understood how rapidly the virus would spread in LTC. So he obviously would of made different decisions with the information we've learned in the last few months.

 

As far as I can tell Cuomo isn't a pussy and understands the issues. Unlike Justin and the PA Governor he won't make a decision for show, he will only care if the decision significantly effects the number of virus cases.

 

If the Jays playing will increase virus cases by between .000 and .001 percent, then Cuomo will let it happen, he's concerned about the big picture not little optics here and there. Wear a mask, don't crowd the bars and Cuomo likes you... doesn't give a s*** about 3 extra virus cases on top of the few hundred a day he knows are going to occur anyway.

[Spanky99]

Again, we see it implied in a report that MLB is being largely passive in this. I can't understand that incompetence. "Major League Baseball would certainly welcome it" --- are you kidding me, Manfred? You should be leading the problem solving charge.

 

I know it's extremely annoying, when he was on the tube tonight, I wanted to punch his stupid face.

[MisterSG1]

You can't honestly believe that.

 

Well it isn't far off deep down inside. The truth of the matter is, one can't be a Canadian who loves Canada without having extreme hatred of the US, it's just how things go. You can really see how Canadians have been acting regarding this whole thing, regarding the huge superiority involving how COVID-19 is being handled and how they have finally barred the people they hate from our country.

 

You don't believe me? Ever taken a good look at that public art at Lakeshore and Bathurst, a historically inaccurate representation of what happened at the Battle of York.

 

Even Jays fans at games seem to have this attitude, yes they are usually a minority, but I've always found it extremely silly how some bring Canadian flags to games. Despite the team being full of US players, the fan thinks that this is Canada facing the US. I've even read a scholarly article that took this a step further, regarding Blue Jays nationalism, in how "OK Blue Jays" is the baseball song of Canada while "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" is the song of the US, let's not forget this article was written when the Expos still played in Montreal but I digress.

 

But I'll leave it with this question, while both I see as silly, why is it morally acceptable for people to drape themselves with Canadian flags at Blue Jays games, while it is not morally acceptable when a road game featuring the Jays has fans in the road stadium chanting "U-S-A".

 

Go check out CBC comments regarding the Blue Jays and most have the don't give a s*** attitude regarding them.

 

I also ask a rhetorical question, let's suppose the US new caseload daily averaged around 5,000 cases per day, would you be more comfortable with opening the border then to non-essential travel? I'm sure most Canadians would still want that border closed because of prejudices they hold against the US.

 

 

But to get back on topic, let's just hope for goodness sake that the plan to play at Oriole Park is approved.

[Abomination]

Well it isn't far off deep down inside. The truth of the matter is, one can't be a Canadian who loves Canada without having extreme hatred of the US, it's just how things go. You can really see how Canadians have been acting regarding this whole thing, regarding the huge superiority involving how COVID-19 is being handled and how they have finally barred the people they hate from our country.

 

You don't believe me? Ever taken a good look at that public art at Lakeshore and Bathurst, a historically inaccurate representation of what happened at the Battle of York.

 

Even Jays fans at games seem to have this attitude, yes they are usually a minority, but I've always found it extremely silly how some bring Canadian flags to games. Despite the team being full of US players, the fan thinks that this is Canada facing the US. I've even read a scholarly article that took this a step further, regarding Blue Jays nationalism, in how "OK Blue Jays" is the baseball song of Canada while "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" is the song of the US, let's not forget this article was written when the Expos still played in Montreal but I digress.

 

But I'll leave it with this question, while both I see as silly, why is it morally acceptable for people to drape themselves with Canadian flags at Blue Jays games, while it is not morally acceptable when a road game featuring the Jays has fans in the road stadium chanting "U-S-A".

 

Go check out CBC comments regarding the Blue Jays and most have the don't give a s*** attitude regarding them.

 

I also ask a rhetorical question, let's suppose the US new caseload daily averaged around 5,000 cases per day, would you be more comfortable with opening the border then to non-essential travel? I'm sure most Canadians would still want that border closed because of prejudices they hold against the US.

 

 

But to get back on topic, let's just hope for goodness sake that the plan to play at Oriole Park is approved.

 

I'm very comfortable in saying that you're speaking solely for yourself in this regard, and not anyone else here.