GDT: MLB Draft, June 10, 2020

[Slade]

 

$312,600 in savings is pretty good.

[Brownie19]

Sweet - that's the type of signing we needed.

[BlueRocky]

Zach Britton’s career died for our wins

[Krylian]

So, just doing some quick math....with Britton's signing ($97,500), plus assuming that everyone else signs for slot (for arguments sake...$3,125,700), and the Jays use their full 5% overage before meaningful penalties start ($485,825)....they can offer Martin $6,979,125 right now. Edited June 17, 2020 by Krylian

[THANOS]

So, just doing some quick math....with Britton's signing ($97,500), plus assuming that everyone else signs for slot (for arguments sake...$3,125,700), and the Jays use their full 5% overage before meaningful penalties start ($485,825)....they can offer Martin $6,979,125 right now.

 

So don't need much more to get to 7M, pending that's the magic number.

[Key22]

So don't need much more to get to 7M, pending that's the magic number.

 

#2 slot is $7,789,900

 

This is a Boras client - he wants #2 slot at the very least I suspect so I would start with that number to be on the safe side. I think it would be best to figure he wants $8,000,000 and then figure how you sign the other 4 players with what is left. $9,716,500 pool -$8m

 

$1,716,500 - 97,500 (#5) = $1,619,000/3 for the pitchers. Adjust the figures for the 5% but it's Boras and I am fairly sure Martin was passed over because he wanted more than Baltimore's slot. Best case I think would be $7,500,000 with a lot of sweet talking and premium porn stars sent to his new free apartment in the city of his choice. Hush Hush Wink Wink.

 

It may also depend on what Torkelson gets.

[Vdubfan]

People are putting way too much stock in the Boras element here. The only way he’s pushing number 2 slot money is if the jays offered it during the draft, to scare off the teams in front of them. Otherwise, Martin has zero leverage in asking for #2 money. What’s he going to do, she a year and possibly play college baseball as a senior before re-entering the draft?

[L54]

People are putting way too much stock in the Boras element here. The only way he’s pushing number 2 slot money is if the jays offered it during the draft, to scare off the teams in front of them. Otherwise, Martin has zero leverage in asking for #2 money. What’s he going to do, she a year and possibly play college baseball as a senior before re-entering the draft?

 

I agree. His leverage isn’t all that high. They’ll play hard ball and might drag the whole process out, but he’s not going back for his senior year and turning down 7M.

[metafour]

It'll end up being something like $7.2 - $7.5 million.

 

They'll sign all the other picks leaving just that amount for him, and it will be enough because he'll still end up being the second highest player in the draft.

 

The allocation of money has already been determined. CJ Van Eyk is supposedly getting above slot too (probably not by much). The 3rd and 4th pick will be underslot.

[Vdubfan]

It'll end up being something like $7.2 - $7.5 million.

 

They'll sign all the other picks leaving just that amount for him, and it will be enough because he'll still end up being the second highest player in the draft.

 

The allocation of money has already been determined. CJ Van Eyk is supposedly getting above slot too (probably not by much). The 3rd and 4th pick will be underslot.

 

I'd be shocked to see it exceed $7M unless, like I said, they had some kind of verbal agreement prior to selecting him.

[BlueRocky]

People are putting way too much stock in the Boras element here. The only way he’s pushing number 2 slot money is if the jays offered it during the draft, to scare off the teams in front of them. Otherwise, Martin has zero leverage in asking for #2 money. What’s he going to do, she a year and possibly play college baseball as a senior before re-entering the draft?

 

I completely agree, I don’t think it’ll take an absurd bonus to sign Martin. $7-7.5M sounds about right.

There were rumors that Martin was only willing to sign for over-slot with the Orioles (which means 8M+), but maybe he just really didn’t want to goto Baltimore, who could blame him?

 

It would mean he willingly took less money to go to a different team, which is hard to believe considering his agent is Scott Boras. But it would make some sense to land a bigger market team like KC or Toronto if they’re thinking long term. The difference in bonus money are pennies compared to what he’ll get in arbitration and free agency.

[BlueRocky]

 

Fire your draft questions at Jim Callis on twitter

[BlueRocky]

[gruber92]

I think Paul Molitor would be a decent comp for Martin, although Molitor was quieter at the plate. Also, Martin will provide more value on the defensive side.

[BlueRocky]

[BlueRocky]

I think Paul Molitor would be a decent comp for Martin, although Molitor was quieter at the plate. Also, Martin will provide more value on the defensive side.

 

Martin would put the “M” back in WAMCO, literally.

[Ray]

The lack of power with Martin is definitely his biggest drawback, but his hit tool is so advanced that he can likely tap into 15-20 HR's during the course of a 162 game season. He'll be more doubles than homers early on, but the hope is he grows into more power the more experience he gets.

[43211234]

I don't see how this would give teams an extra year of control. Rule 5 draft rules would still apply and option years.

 

40-man spots are so valuable it's hard to imagine someone surviving long enough to reach 8 years without having been a Rule 5 pick, run out of option years, or DFA'd to make room on the 40-man.

 

If you aren't on the 40-man after 7 years they would probably welcome the 8th year lol

 

Unless I'm misunderstanding what this means or missing some other scenario.

[Orgfiller]

I think Paul Molitor would be a decent comp for Martin, although Molitor was quieter at the plate. Also, Martin will provide more value on the defensive side.

 

So you see Jim Callis referring to the Betts and Rendon comps as outlandish given that those two are among the best players in the game at the moment, so your rebuttal to that is hey, let's compare him to a Hall of Famer whose calling card was his bat.

 

lol

[43211234]

I'm thinking Andrew Benintendi with a better hit tool for an Austin Martin comp. With a reasonable hope that he hits for more power and adds some more positional or defensive value.

[BlueRocky]

Looks like the deal is done verbally. If the Tampa source is credible, CJ is signing slight above slot.

[Orgfiller]

I'm thinking Andrew Benintendi with a better hit tool for an Austin Martin comp. With a reasonable hope that he hits for more power and adds some more positional or defensive value.

 

Benintendi is a good comp. Benintendi with excellent defense at a valuable position and versatility would be a really good outcome.

[BlueRocky]

2018 Benintendi: .290/.366/.465, OPS .831 & 122 wRC+, 4.4 fWAR.

 

Baseball America #1 overall prospect in 2017

Baseball America #15 overall prospect in 2016

 

Benintendi + more hit tool + premium defensive position = hall of famer

 

Anyhow, if we’re getting anything remotely between Mookie Betts, Anthony Rendon, Paul Molitor, Roberto Clemente (Tim Corbin comp) and Andrew Benintendi with defense, I think the draft was a success.

[Ray]

Speaking of, how did Benintendi fall to #7 in the draft? Torched the SEC as a draft eligible sophomore, won almost every college award, played good defense at a premium position, showed good power. The Twins selected a college reliever before him.

[THANOS]

The lack of power with Martin is definitely his biggest drawback, but his hit tool is so advanced that he can likely tap into 15-20 HR's during the course of a 162 game season. He'll be more doubles than homers early on, but the hope is he grows into more power the more experience he gets.

 

Maybe like Altuve?

[BlueRocky]

Speaking of, how did Benintendi fall to #7 in the draft? Torched the SEC as a draft eligible sophomore, won almost every college award, played good defense at a premium position, showed good power. The Twins selected a college reliever before him.

 

Astros came close to taking Benintendi at #5, but Kyle Tucker was above him on their board.

 

He was a draft-eligible sophomore that didn’t play in cape-cod or team USA, so teams really had to bank on his breakout season being legitimate. Some questions about his defensive position, raw power translating to game, and size too like Martin, it was a fortunate event for the Red Sox. Both Benintendi and Martin were absolute studs in college.

 

A draft-eligible sophomore, Benintendi's draft stock has skyrocketed this spring thanks to the loudest season of any college player. Benintendi ranks among the top 10 in Division I in batting average, on-base percentage and leads the nation in slugging percentage while playing in the always competitive Southeastern Conference. Benintendi came from off many teams' radars. He didn't play summer ball last year and some scouts may not have even realized he was draft eligible at the start of the year. But a who's-who of scouting directors and front-office officials are flying in to see him now as they realize he may be the best combination of athleticism and production in this college class. A very productive but slight outfielder (and basketball guard) in high school, he's added excellent strength these past two years. He has extremely strong forearms and has shown plus raw power that plays in games, with the ability to drive the ball to all fields but with most of his home runs coming to his pull side. And he does it with a very balanced approach and excellent pitch recognition. He's striking out in only 11 percent of plate appearances, while getting extra-base hits in 13 percent of his plate appearances. He is also a legitimate center fielder with above-average to plus run times and excellent reads and instincts. The only real knocks on Benintendi are his size (he's 5-foot-10) and the lack of a lengthy track record.

[Ray]

Maybe like Altuve?

 

I would expect Martin to have somewhat similar BB/K ratios to Altuve. Although Altuve took something like 4 full seasons to grow into his home run power. Hopefully Martin doesn't take quite that long.

 

Maybe Xander Bogaerts with better discipline?

 

2018 Benintendi: .290/.366/.465, OPS .831 & 122 wRC+, 4.4 fWAR.

 

Baseball America #1 overall prospect in 2017

Baseball America #15 overall prospect in 2016

 

Benintendi + more hit tool + premium defensive position = hall of famer

 

Anyhow, if we’re getting anything remotely between Mookie Betts, Anthony Rendon, Paul Molitor, Roberto Clemente (Tim Corbin comp) and Andrew Benintendi with defense, I think the draft was a success.

 

I just hope he doesn't turn out like Dansby Swanson.

[gruber92]

Benintendi is a good comp. Benintendi with excellent defense at a valuable position and versatility would be a really good outcome.

 

So you think Benitendi (a LH bat to boot) is a better comp for Martin than Molitor? Molitor played multiple positions, both in the infield and outfield with 15-20 HR power, 30-40 SBs. Crazy quick hands from the right side with more of a line drive launch and uses the whole field. How the f*** is Benitendi a better comp? Betts and Rendon had way more power than Martin at his age. I don't get what your argument is.

[max silver]

So you think Benitendi (a LH bat to boot) is a better comp for Martin than Molitor? Molitor played multiple positions, both in the infield and outfield with 15-20 HR power, 30-40 SBs. Crazy quick hands from the right side with more of a line drive launch and uses the whole field. How the f*** is Benitendi a better comp? Betts and Rendon had way more power than Martin at his age. I don't get what your argument is.

 

We could maybe wait until Martin has even a single professional at bat before we start directly comparing him to a hall of famer.

[gruber92]

Sounds like McCutchen maybe.

 

Much better comp than Benintendi.