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[L54]

Bert and Ernie in this thread citing the NYT and CNN lmao. One day you idiots will realize just how deceiving the Fake News media is

 

Panic away. Go stock up on hand sanatizer and TV dinners. This is a politically driven bio weapon used to tank the economy. The only attempt they have left to damage the sitting president. Those who are guilty people will pay. These people are sick!

[BTS]

Bert and Ernie in this thread citing the NYT and CNN lmao. One day you idiots will realize just how deceiving the Fake News media is

 

Panic away. Go stock up on hand sanatizer and TV dinners. This is a politically driven bio weapon used to tank the economy. The only attempt they have left to damage the sitting president. Those who are guilty people will pay. These people are sick!

 

You think the US media/democrats created a global pandemic in order to damage Donald Trump?

[Spanky99]

You think the US media/democrats created a global pandemic in order to damage Donald Trump?

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/6115-Politics-Thread?p=1421394#post1421394

[L54]

You think the US media/democrats created a global pandemic in order to damage Donald Trump?

 

China more specifically. The owners of the DNC. These politicians are just puppets.

 

The media is complicit. A propaganda tool of the Democratic Party.

 

I know there are lots of people who will read this will agree with me. Some will call me crazy, but that’s okay. We are all going to witness the world change for the better right before our eyes. Just watch.

[jays4life19]

Aubrey Huff agrees with you!

[Jimcanuck]

China more specifically. The owners of the DNC. These politicians are just puppets.

 

The media is complicit. A propaganda tool of the Democratic Party.

 

I know there are lots of people who will read this will agree with me. Some will call me crazy, but that’s okay. We are all going to witness the world change for the better right before our eyes. Just watch.

 

This is called paranoia. Get help.

[L54]

Yes he does. Aubrey Huff gets it

[BTS]

Alright gents, can we take it to the politics thread instead of continuing here?

[L54]

This is called paranoia. Get help.

 

Of all the people on this message board, you’re the last person I’d ever take a suggestion from.

[DigitalRock]

China more specifically. The owners of the DNC. These politicians are just puppets.

 

The media is complicit. A propaganda tool of the Democratic Party.

 

I know there are lots of people who will read this will agree with me. Some will call me crazy, but that’s okay. We are all going to witness the world change for the better right before our eyes. Just watch.

 

There is a very good reason for this. Next you will say the earth is flat.

[Carlos Danger]

That's only interesting to me because the author is a "solar technology" engineer (not a medical doctor, or epidemiologist, or even someone with a health sciences degree) who has written a couple of s***** books on the healing power of the sun. It's s***** historical fiction and pseudoscience. Some might call it charlatanism.

 

Certainly it's nothing approaching science.

 

This information is akin to someone trying to convince dummies that electromagnetic fields are causing autism, or that "negative ions" or whatever can prevent cancer and keep you generally healthier.

 

You are taking what one guy wrote in the comments and discounting the whole research. So, what, what is he selling? All he says is the patients do better outside in the sun.. What can he gain from that...

 

Did you miss all these reference and just verbatim take what a guy wrote in the comments? It was probably Digital Rock..

 

If I own Acuna in Fantasy and I write I think he is great player and provide research to substantiate it, does it negate my point because I will benefit if he does well?

 

References:

Hobday RA and Cason JW. The open-air treatment of pandemic influenza. Am J Public Health 2009;99 Suppl 2:S236–42. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2008.134627.

Aligne CA. Overcrowding and mortality during the influenza pandemic of 1918. Am J Public Health 2016 Apr;106(4):642–4. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2015.303018.

Summers JA, Wilson N, Baker MG, Shanks GD. Mortality risk factors for pandemic influenza on New Zealand troop ship, 1918. Emerg Infect Dis 2010 Dec;16(12):1931–7. doi:10.3201/eid1612.100429.

Anon. Weapons against influenza. Am J Public Health 1918 Oct;8(10):787–8. doi: 10.2105/ajph.8.10.787.

May KP, Druett HA. A micro-thread technique for studying the viability of microbes in a simulated airborne state. J Gen Micro-biol 1968;51:353e66. Doi: 10.1099/00221287–51–3–353.

Hobday RA. The open-air factor and infection control. J Hosp Infect 2019;103:e23-e24 doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2019.04.003.

Schuit M, Gardner S, Wood S et al. The influence of simulated sunlight on the inactivation of influenza virus in aerosols. J Infect Dis 2020 Jan 14;221(3):372–378. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jiz582.

Hobday RA, Dancer SJ. Roles of sunlight and natural ventilation for controlling infection: historical and current perspectives. J Hosp Infect 2013;84:271–282. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2013.04.011.

Hobday RA. Sunlight therapy and solar architecture. Med Hist 1997 Oct;41(4):455–72. doi:10.1017/s0025727300063043.

Gruber-Bzura BM. Vitamin D and influenza-prevention or therapy? Int J Mol Sci 2018 Aug 16;19(8). pii: E2419. doi: 10.3390/ijms19082419.

Costantini C, Renga G, Sellitto F, et al. Microbes in the era of circadian medicine. Front Cell Infect Microbiol. 2020 Feb 5;10:30. doi: 10.3389/fcimb.2020.00030.

Sengupta S, Tang SY, Devine JC et al. Circadian control of lung inflammation in influenza infection. Nat Commun 2019 Sep 11;10(1):4107. doi: 10.1038/s41467–019–11400–9.

Jester BJ, Uyeki TM, Patel A, Koonin L, Jernigan DB. 100 Years of medical countermeasures and pandemic influenza preparedness. Am J Public Health. 2018 Nov;108(11):1469–1472. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2018.304586.

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[Grant77]

You are still spreading garbage...again experts who study this for a living have stated we do not know, and that early evidence suggest heat/humidity do not slow the virus enough to matter in the grand scheme, see links I posted before..Why do you keep dumbing down on idiocy? Trump supporter playbook 101. There is not any debate? Did you not even read the articles I posted? LOL Grant thinks he know more the WHO and infectious disease experts. I kind of felt bad for calling you an idiot before..now I don't, you clearly are one.

 

Who said the death rate could be over 10%? I never saw anyone saw that anywhere. Please point it out.

 

Now he has gone further and says "All Viruses" The heat sure slowed down Ebola in Africa.

 

All viruses are susceptible to some level heat and humidity. Each and every one that has ever been discovered. You are outright lying when you try to say otherwise. You are intentionally spreading misinformation. Early studies on this virus show that this virus may be highly susceptible to heat and humidity. I have posted links to these studies from reputable universities.

 

This is the last thing I will say on the matter. I have offered no opinions. Take it up with the researchers if you have issues with their conclusions and quit lying to people.

 

You said that the death rate was similar to Spanish Flu, which had a death rate between 10 and 20 percent. (500 million infected, 50-100 million dead).

 

The widely stated death rate of 2.7% for Spanish Flu means that 2.7% of the entire world died. You are misusing these numbers in an attempt to scare people and it's frankly disgusting.

[max silver]

All viruses are susceptible to some level heat and humidity. Each and every one that has ever been discovered. You are outright lying when you try to say otherwise. You are intentionally spreading misinformation. Early studies on this virus show that this virus may be highly susceptible to heat and humidity. I have posted links to these studies from reputable universities.

 

This is the last thing I will say on the matter. I have offered no opinions. Take it up with the researchers if you have issues with their conclusions and quit lying to people.

 

You said that the death rate was similar to Spanish Flu, which had a death rate between 10 and 20 percent. (500 million infected, 50-100 million dead).

 

The widely stated death rate of 2.7% for Spanish Flu means that 2.7% of the entire world died. You are misusing these numbers in an attempt to scare people and it's frankly disgusting.

 

The best thing that can happen is that people take this pandemic as seriously as they should and do as directed by health officials in order to minimize the impact. This garbage accusing others of scaring people is worthless. People should be very concerned about the potential impact to our society as a result of this outbreak, and it's people like you attempting to downplay the seriousness of this that are the real issue. If people don't take this seriously what are the consequences? Thousands upon thousands of unnecessary deaths, far worse financial impact, longer to return to normal etc. etc. By the time this is finished the numbers of total dead are going to be devastating no matter what the percentage of people that die ends up being.

[Grant77]

The best thing that can happen is that people take this pandemic as seriously as they should and do as directed by health officials in order to minimize the impact. This garbage accusing others of scaring people is worthless. People should be very concerned about the potential impact to our society as a result of this outbreak, and it's people like you attempting to downplay the seriousness of this that are the real issue. If people don't take this seriously what are the consequences? Thousands upon thousands of unnecessary deaths, far worse financial impact, longer to return to normal etc. etc. By the time this is finished the numbers of total dead are going to be devastating no matter what the percentage of people that die ends up being.

 

The WHO is advising people to stay calm and follow their instructions. People like me are obviously supporting that view. Stay calm and go about your normal day to day lives, being careful to wash your hands and self isolate if you feel ill.

 

Almost all experts are advising against panic and fear mongering. By intentionally portraying the death rate as over 10%, people like digitalrock and JimCanuck are trying to scare others. It is certainly nowhere close to that of Spanish Flu. That kind of false information is not helping anyone. They are truly disgusting human beings.

[Laika]

You are taking what one guy wrote in the comments and discounting the whole research. So, what, what is he selling? All he says is the patients do better outside in the sun.. What can he gain from that...

 

Did you miss all these reference and just verbatim take what a guy wrote in the comments? It was probably Digital Rock..

 

If I own Acuna in Fantasy and I write I think he is great player and provide research to substantiate it, does it negate my point because I will benefit if he does well?

 

References:

Hobday RA and Cason JW. The open-air treatment of pandemic influenza. Am J Public Health 2009;99 Suppl 2:S236–42. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2008.134627.

Aligne CA. Overcrowding and mortality during the influenza pandemic of 1918. Am J Public Health 2016 Apr;106(4):642–4. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2015.303018.

Summers JA, Wilson N, Baker MG, Shanks GD. Mortality risk factors for pandemic influenza on New Zealand troop ship, 1918. Emerg Infect Dis 2010 Dec;16(12):1931–7. doi:10.3201/eid1612.100429.

Anon. Weapons against influenza. Am J Public Health 1918 Oct;8(10):787–8. doi: 10.2105/ajph.8.10.787.

May KP, Druett HA. A micro-thread technique for studying the viability of microbes in a simulated airborne state. J Gen Micro-biol 1968;51:353e66. Doi: 10.1099/00221287–51–3–353.

Hobday RA. The open-air factor and infection control. J Hosp Infect 2019;103:e23-e24 doi.org/10.1016/j.jhin.2019.04.003.

Schuit M, Gardner S, Wood S et al. The influence of simulated sunlight on the inactivation of influenza virus in aerosols. J Infect Dis 2020 Jan 14;221(3):372–378. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jiz582.

Hobday RA, Dancer SJ. Roles of sunlight and natural ventilation for controlling infection: historical and current perspectives. J Hosp Infect 2013;84:271–282. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2013.04.011.

Hobday RA. Sunlight therapy and solar architecture. Med Hist 1997 Oct;41(4):455–72. doi:10.1017/s0025727300063043.

Gruber-Bzura BM. Vitamin D and influenza-prevention or therapy? Int J Mol Sci 2018 Aug 16;19(8). pii: E2419. doi: 10.3390/ijms19082419.

Costantini C, Renga G, Sellitto F, et al. Microbes in the era of circadian medicine. Front Cell Infect Microbiol. 2020 Feb 5;10:30. doi: 10.3389/fcimb.2020.00030.

Sengupta S, Tang SY, Devine JC et al. Circadian control of lung inflammation in influenza infection. Nat Commun 2019 Sep 11;10(1):4107. doi: 10.1038/s41467–019–11400–9.

Jester BJ, Uyeki TM, Patel A, Koonin L, Jernigan DB. 100 Years of medical countermeasures and pandemic influenza preparedness. Am J Public Health. 2018 Nov;108(11):1469–1472. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2018.304586.

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I am scientifically literate. I did not read the comments.

 

This guy is selling his books, and himself as some type of professional.

 

It’s possible to get junk science published. Very possible.

 

If you look at that list of citations he is mostly citing himself, and then a few other studies that clearly don’t directly support his main claims in any way.

 

Get some common sense, kiddo.

[max silver]

The WHO is advising people to stay calm and follow their instructions. People like me are obviously supporting that view. Stay calm and go about your normal day to day lives, being careful to wash your hands and self isolate if you feel ill.

 

Almost all experts are advising against panic and fear mongering. By intentionally portraying the death rate as over 10%, people like digitalrock and JimCanuck are trying to scare others. It is certainly nowhere close to that of Spanish Flu. That kind of false information is not helping anyone. They are truly disgusting human beings.

 

People being scared is simply just an emotion that they will get over. That's a hell of a lot better than legions of people ending up dead because a certain segment of the population attempts to downplay the significance of the greatest public health crisis in any of our lifetimes. Start using your brain to process what is a more desirable outcome, people being scared into reacting appropriately, or just going about your normal life as if nothing is happening.

[Jimcanuck]

The WHO is advising people to stay calm and follow their instructions. People like me are obviously supporting that view. Stay calm and go about your normal day to day lives, being careful to wash your hands and self isolate if you feel ill.

 

Almost all experts are advising against panic and fear mongering. By intentionally portraying the death rate as over 10%, people like digitalrock and JimCanuck are trying to scare others. It is certainly nowhere close to that of Spanish Flu. That kind of false information is not helping anyone. They are truly disgusting human beings.

 

You are full of s*** Grant. My most recent posting of the covid-19 mortality rate is 1 to 2%.

 

You have no credibility in these parts. Delete your account.

 

And where do I stand on this, by your interpretation?

 

This year's flu strains, and a bad year for the flu, have a 0.1% mortality rate. The expected mortality rate of covid-19 is somewhere between 1 and 2%. Which explains the significant concerns of EXPERTS in the field.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Jimcanuck

[Grant77]

62 Cases in Kuwait, 189 in Bahrain, 262 in Qatar, 85 in UAE, 62 in SA. Hot climates all.

 

Antiviral medications are not cures, and there is no cure for pneumonia.

 

Reputable sources are comparing the mortality from covid-19 to the Spanish Flu.

 

Reputable scientific sources are to be believed. Not Grant's dangerous extrapolations.

 

No credibility indeed. You are a liar and a coward. You and digitalrock could be responsible for further deaths with your irresponsible and disgusting actions. Quit lying to people and intentionally trying to scare them.

[Jimcanuck]

No credibility indeed. You are a liar and a coward. You and digitalrock could be responsible for further deaths with your irresponsible and disgusting actions. Quit lying to people and intentionally trying to scare them.

 

CDC says the Spanish Flu mortality rate was 2.5%. Understood that there are a range of numbers out there, but the CDC is generally taken to be the authority on infectious diseases.

[max silver]

No credibility indeed. You are a liar and a coward. You and digitalrock could be responsible for further deaths with your irresponsible and disgusting actions. Quit lying to people and intentionally trying to scare them.

 

Holy s*** man you are just making a fool of yourself at this point. Other posters here have presented numbers from reputable sources, if the truth is going to scare a certain subset of the population then so be it. Your assertion that people discussing something on a baseball message board is somehow going to whip people into some kind of frenzy is ridiculous. You know what is scaring people? Things like are happening in Italy is scary, the idea of hospitals crowded to capacity with people dying in the hallway is f***ing scary. The fear of the unknown is scary for people, Chinese healthcare workers collapsing from exhaustion from the overload of patients and getting sick and then dying themselves is scary. Talk on a message forum isn't scary.

 

There seems to be people that are prone to misplaced anger with the situation that's enveloping the globe. These people blame the media stoking fear, you yourself blame reasonable posters of a message forum, blaming the messenger is such a waste of time. If you need to be angry then get angry at the people directly responsible for this. Get mad at the Chinese government, get mad at the US administration and their completely bungled response despite months of available planning time, get mad at those snapping up all of the emergency pandemic supplies and gouging people desperate to prepare themselves for the emergency that's now here. If the entirety of this board is telling you that you are taking an asinine stand with no sense or reasoning behind it then maybe, just maybe you can realize that you are the person in the wrong here.

[Grant77]

CDC says the Spanish Flu mortality rate was 2.5%. Understood that there are a range of numbers out there, but the CDC is generally taken to be the authority on infectious diseases.

 

This is absolutely not correct. It means that 2.5% of the entire world's population was killed (50 million dead of 1.8 billion). Using that criteria, the Covid19 death rate is something like 0.00006%.

 

Covid19 isn't even even remotely close to as deadly as Spanish Flu. Using that comparison freaks people out, causes unnecessary panic, and hurts a lot of people. I don't agree with maxsilver that lying to people in order to whip them into a frenzied panic is a viable solution to this crisis.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Grant77

[Beans]

Holy s*** man you are just making a fool of yourself at this point. Other posters here have presented numbers from reputable sources, if the truth is going to scare a certain subset of the population then so be it. Your assertion that people discussing something on a baseball message board is somehow going to whip people into some kind of frenzy is ridiculous. You know what is scaring people? Things like are happening in Italy is scary, the idea of hospitals crowded to capacity with people dying in the hallway is f***ing scary. The fear of the unknown is scary for people, Chinese healthcare workers collapsing from exhaustion from the overload of patients and getting sick and then dying themselves is scary. Talk on a message forum isn't scary.

 

There seems to be people that are prone to misplaced anger with the situation that's enveloping the globe. These people blame the media stoking fear, you yourself blame reasonable posters of a message forum, blaming the messenger is such a waste of time. If you need to be angry then get angry at the people directly responsible for this. Get mad at the Chinese government, get mad at the US administration and their completely bungled response despite months of available planning time, get mad at those snapping up all of the emergency pandemic supplies and gouging people desperate to prepare themselves for the emergency that's now here. If the entirety of this board is telling you that you are taking an asinine stand with no sense or reasoning behind it then maybe, just maybe you can realize that you are the person in the wrong here.

 

I'm actually disappointed I'm not gay, because I feel like blowing you right now.

 

Great post.

[max silver]

I'm actually disappointed I'm not gay, because I feel like blowing you right now.

 

Great post.

 

Thanks I think?

[Boxcar]

This is called paranoia. Get help.

 

How's Russian collusion coming along?

[Bobthe4th]

[saskjayfan]

You are full of s*** Grant. My most recent posting of the covid-19 mortality rate is 1 to 2%.

 

You have no credibility in these parts. Delete your account.

 

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-is-nothing-like-the-spanish-flu/

 

Why are you so angry Jim. There's a world wide shortage in testing kits and even the swabs necessary for testing. You can't simply google corona virus update, do some simple math and say with certainty what the death rate is. The number of actual cases vs reported could be 2 3, or as much as 10 times the reported number.

 

Korea was the most aggressive in terms of testing and drive by collection facilities. Their death rate is under 1%.

 

The numbers from the cases reported show death rates from ages 0 to 40 to be .2% Age 40 to 50 is .4%. The older you get the the death rate sky rockets.

 

Demographics play into this. Countries with older populations will have higher death rates. Countries with poor health care will have higher death rates.

 

You could argue that the death rate will rise once cases rise and health care facilities are over run. You could argue the strain will mutate and and death rates will rise.

 

You could also argue the more aggressive strain will die out with people and over time the death rate will go down. You can argue that treatment options may develop that will reduce death rates.

 

The reality is there is a whole lot of unknown at this point. Arguing vehemently one way or another is like taking 20 at bats of a player in his rookie season and determining what he will be in the entire season. There is an insignificant sample size.

 

People need to prepare and take precautions because this isn't just the flu, but the world will get through this. This isn't the spanish flu either, if only because medical advances are so much greater, and we got through that.

 

I shop almost every day because I like fresh food. Even I have stocked my pantry in the event that I get ill. I may only get the normal influenza, but I won't know if it's influenza or corona and by simply staying home and using common sense it will help in preventing the spread of Corona.

[Jimcanuck]

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-is-nothing-like-the-spanish-flu/

 

Why are you so angry Jim. There's a world wide shortage in testing kits and even the swabs necessary for testing. You can't simply google corona virus update, do some simple math and say with certainty what the death rate is. The number of actual cases vs reported could be 2 3, or as much as 10 times the reported number.

 

Korea was the most aggressive in terms of testing and drive by collection facilities. Their death rate is under 1%.

 

The numbers from the cases reported show death rates from ages 0 to 40 to be .2% Age 40 to 50 is .4%. The older you get the the death rate sky rockets.

 

Demographics play into this. Countries with older populations will have higher death rates. Countries with poor health care will have higher death rates.

 

You could argue that the death rate will rise once cases rise and health care facilities are over run. You could argue the strain will mutate and and death rates will rise.

 

You could also argue the more aggressive strain will die out with people and over time the death rate will go down. You can argue that treatment options may develop that will reduce death rates.

 

The reality is there is a whole lot of unknown at this point. Arguing vehemently one way or another is like taking 20 at bats of a player in his rookie season and determining what he will be in the entire season. There is an insignificant sample size.

 

People need to prepare and take precautions because this isn't just the flu, but the world will get through this. This isn't the spanish flu either, if only because medical advances are so much greater, and we got through that.

 

I shop almost every day because I like fresh food. Even I have stocked my pantry in the event that I get ill. I may only get the normal influenza, but I won't know if it's influenza or corona and by simply staying home and using common sense it will help in preventing the spread of Corona.

 

This guy has it all figured out, folks.

[saskjayfan]

This guy has it all figured out, folks.

 

are you incapable of reading. I said no one has it figured out. A vaccine is likely at some point, but that's a year out at least. How fast or wide reaching it spreads until that point is anybody's guess. Unlike most on here you are old, so I would buy a lot of toilet paper and hunker down and not leave the house if I were you!

[Deadpool]

are you incapable of reading. I said no one has it figured out. A vaccine is likely at some point, but that's a year out at least. How fast or wide reaching it spreads until that point is anybody's guess. Unlike most on here you are old, so I would buy a lot of toilet paper and hunker down and not leave the house if I were you!

 

It seems that a few teams have already developed potential vaccines, but because we're not idiots (generally) there are months of tests before it can be widely distributed to make sure it doesn't kill people. Really, super, probably very unrealistic best case scenario is 6 months from now, but yeah, a year, or even longer is more likely.

[Jimcanuck]

are you incapable of reading. I said no one has it figured out. A vaccine is likely at some point, but that's a year out at least. How fast or wide reaching it spreads until that point is anybody's guess. Unlike most on here you are old, so I would buy a lot of toilet paper and hunker down and not leave the house if I were you!

 

You got it so figured out, you are telling others what to do.