Betts to the Dodgers

[Jimcanuck]

The Twins must believe with like 95% certainty that Graterol is a reliever, because trading him 1 for 1 for Maeda seems f***ing awful on the surface, and has to be a clear market value loss for them.

 

Maeda is under team control until after the 2024 season. They lost a few years of control, but strengthen the rotation for the their window of contention while JD and Nelson Cruz are elite.

[Orgfiller]

Maeda is under team control until after the 2024 season. They lost a few years of control, but strengthen the rotation for the their window of contention while JD and Nelson Cruz are elite.

 

Yeah but Maeda wasn't even that great last season and he's 31 going on 32. Graterol is a potential (not likely) top of the rotation arm with huge stuff and pretty good minor league success while only 21. I don't think it would be shocking if he was more valuable than Maeda over the next 3 seasons.

 

Maeda isn't the kind of guy that pushes you over the hump against the Yankees of the world, a Graterol who hits his 90th percentile outcome could actually be.

[Beans]

Chaim Bloom did very well with his trade as Red Sox GM!

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah but Maeda wasn't even that great last season and he's 31 going on 32. Graterol is a potential (not likely) top of the rotation arm with huge stuff and pretty good minor league success while only 21. I don't think it would be shocking if he was more valuable than Maeda over the next 3 seasons.

 

Wouldn't be shocking at all, but I understand why the Twins made the move.

 

Dodgers are the big losers here, but hell, flags fly forever!

[TheHurl]

Maeda is under team control until after the 2024 season. They lost a few years of control, but strengthen the rotation for the their window of contention while JD and Nelson Cruz are elite.

 

Maeda is fine for the price...but he is going to get lit up in Minnesota. 5.50 ERA, 4.65 FIP away from LA. Turns 32 in the first month of the season. One positive is that he throws 30% sliders and older pitchers don't seem to lose the slider as fast.

[Spanky__99]

Yeah, Bosox did well. Deal makes sense for those involved.

[Barkerfan23]

Yep - trading Betts right before he enters his prime years and moving on from Price at age 34 coming off an injury plagued year. Incredible job by the Red Sox.

 

No what's incredible is that they gave price 300. Were able to get out of it and win a world series. While we are where we are

[Jimcanuck]

Maeda is fine for the price...but he is going to get lit up in Minnesota. 5.50 ERA, 4.65 FIP away from LA. Turns 32 in the first month of the season. One positive is that he throws 30% sliders and older pitchers don't seem to lose the slider as fast.

 

4.01 FIP away from Dodger stadium for his career, 4.21 FIP last season. More to the point from the Twinkies perspective, Graterol only pitched 90 innings last season. They needed a guy that can handle starter workload in a year they are all in.

[Orgfiller]

4.01 FIP away from Dodger stadium for his career, 4.21 FIP last season. More to the point from the Twinkies perspective, Graterol only pitched 90 innings last season. They needed a guy that can handle starter workload in a year they are all in.

 

And Maeda with his 175-134-125-153 IP seasons is that guy? And yes I understand the Dodgers dicking him around had something to do with that but matter of the fact is he still hasn't really put in the innings either.

[Jimcanuck]

And Maeda with his 175-134-125-153 IP seasons is that guy? And yes I understand the Dodgers dicking him around had something to do with that but matter of the fact is he still hasn't really put in the innings either.

 

He should be good for approx. the current average for an SP these days, about 175 innings.

[BTS]

I have no issues with the Twins move to acquire Maeda. It's 4 years of cheap control of a league average starter for a team very high on the win curve. I don't think Graterol is too high a price to pay for that.

[Spanky__99]

Maeda's likely happy he's leaving the org after all that BS he endured, but's going to miss that shot winning with his ex-mates.

[Brownie19]

I'm with Jim and BTS on this. I see why the Twins did it. Will it bite them long term? probably, but they are looking to win in 2020, 2021.

[glory]

Wouldn't be shocking at all, but I understand why the Twins made the move.

 

Dodgers are the big losers here, but hell, flags fly forever!

 

I don't think the Dodgers are losers. They gave up players they didn't need, got back one of the best players in the game for at least his age 27 season (if not more if they re-sign him) and Price at half of his contract.

 

I think every team got what they wanted out of this. The only team that I think overpaid is the Twins for Maeda, but they know more about Graterol than anyone else. If he's a RP long term then it's not as bad.

[Terminator]

Maeda for Graterol is interesting. I don't think it's that bad for the Twins. Maeda is a solid mid rotation starter and he's cheap. Surely that's worth a decent prospect? Seems like a floor for ceiling type of deal.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't think the Dodgers are losers. They gave up players they didn't need, got back one of the best players in the game for at least his age 27 season (if not more if they re-sign him) and Price at half of his contract.

 

I think every team got what they wanted out of this. The only team that I think overpaid is the Twins for Maeda, but they know more about Graterol than anyone else. If he's a RP long term then it's not as bad.

 

From a value perspective the Dodgers lost. If they extend Betts it will not be f'ing cheap. Betts is going to be looking at Trout's $450M deal and going hmmmmm. He won't get that but that's what he is looking at.

 

From a team/winning perspective the Dodgers might be winners, or maybe not. Next several months will tell the tale!

[Jimcanuck]

Haven't seen much reaction to the Joc for Rengifo deal. I don't think much of Rengifo and Pederson is a solid 3 WAR guy with 2 yrs of control.

[TheHurl]

I'm with Jim and BTS on this. I see why the Twins did it. Will it bite them long term? probably, but they are looking to win in 2020, 2021.

 

They have Could have moved Graterol to the pen and got the same upgrade. This moves Dobnak to the minors when Pineda comes back. Not sure what happens if Rich Hill is healthy. They have a lot of risky pitchers...so they have mitigated the risk a bit but I just don't think it upgrades them.

[P2F]

Haven't seen much reaction to the Joc for Rengifo deal. I don't think much of Rengifo and Pederson is a solid 3 WAR guy with 2 yrs of control.

 

Just 1 year of control for Joc, I believe.

[TheHurl]

Haven't seen much reaction to the Joc for Rengifo deal. I don't think much of Rengifo and Pederson is a solid 3 WAR guy with 2 yrs of control.

 

1 year of control. Keeps Jo Adell in the minors for longer. Guys like Rengifo have more value with 13 hitters on the roster. No pressure to rush back from the Hamate injury in LAD.

[Spanky__99]

Maeda for Graterol is interesting. I don't think it's that bad for the Twins. Maeda is a solid mid rotation starter and he's cheap. Surely that's worth a decent prospect? Seems like a floor for ceiling type of deal.

 

Yeah, I think these guys are undermining Maeda here, the reason seems straight forward.

[Spanky__99]

Rengifo... suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Grant77]

Nice deal for the Dodgers. They probably upgrade the rotation a touch with Price, while perhaps not adding a ton of salary depending on the money from Boston. Verdugo for Betts is a significant win for them.

 

I would have expected a far larger return for Betts, but there was obviously some desperation to move Betts and some other salary to get under the tax threshold. Aroldis Chapman and Andrew Miller got similar or better returns for partial seasons.

[Brownie19]

They have Could have moved Graterol to the pen and got the same upgrade. This moves Dobnak to the minors when Pineda comes back. Not sure what happens if Rich Hill is healthy. They have a lot of risky pitchers...so they have mitigated the risk a bit but I just don't think it upgrades them.

 

They could also move Maeda to the pen in the playoffs...he's proven he's a stud there.

[Spanky__99]

Nice deal for the Dodgers. They probably upgrade the rotation a touch with Price, while perhaps not adding a ton of salary depending on the money from Boston. Verdugo for Betts is a significant win for them.

 

I would have expected a far larger return for Betts, but there was obviously some desperation to move Betts and some other salary to get under the tax threshold. Aroldis Chapman and Andrew Miller got similar or better returns for partial seasons.

 

Yeah, it was all about eating money, all 3 teams got what they wanted, while making sense for all involved.

[TheHurl]

They could also move Maeda to the pen in the playoffs...he's proven he's a stud there.

 

How strong is the Twins Mental conditioning team? Maeda is an angry guy in the pen. Don't disrespect him like that.

[bones10]

So how do the Redsox look after, for this year anyway.

 

Could the Jays legitimately jockey them for 3rd in the division?

[Jimcanuck]

So how do the Redsox look after, for this year anyway.

 

Could the Jays legitimately jockey them for 3rd in the division?

 

Yes. Jays now stack up pretty well with Boston, talent wise.

[TheHurl]

So how do the Redsox look after, for this year anyway.

 

Could the Jays legitimately jockey them for 3rd in the division?

 

I can't find updated projections but just from my own. They project about 9 games ahead of us still.

[max silver]

This was a decent fall-back option for the Twins to add a starter after striking out in free agency for the bigger fish they were supposedly after. Redsox should be quite a bit worse off in the short term, but it's not hard to see them loading up again next off-season in free agency.