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[saskjayfan]

Guaranteed Semien is looking for a big deal

 

To get someone like him or Didi or Turner on a short deal would require some gambling. Toronto would basically have to wait until the end of the offseason and bet that the market for one of them will not develop.

 

It does sort of seem like Toronto is taking this approach and is going to lean on their roster flexibility to just sign whoever is left

 

There's a whole lot of guys who must be getting antsy. There sure seems like a lot more players to be bought than there are buyers. There may be quite a few free agents with no buyers or one buyer. Marcell Ozuna was 79% better than league average with the bat and I haven't even heard of teams kicking the tires on him.

Edited January 3, 2021 by saskjayfan

[BTS]

Whoever is running Razzball's social media should probably be removed from that role.

 

[saskjayfan]

Whoever is running Razzball's social media should probably be removed from that role.

 

 

A guy with a sense of humour. Get rid of him!

[G-Snarls]

There's a whole lot of guys who must be getting antsy. There sure seems like a lot more players to be bought than there are buyers. There may be quite a few free agents with no buyers or one buyer. Marcell Ozuna was 79% better than league average with the bat and I haven't even heard of teams kicking the tires on him.

 

Thats perhaps a specific case.

 

If rhe NL gets the DH again then the Braves prob resign him immediately

 

They may even have a gentelmans agreement in place

Edited January 3, 2021 by G-Snarls

[connorp]

A guy with a sense of humour. Get rid of him!

 

Agreed but would’ve helped if it was funny

[Spanky__99]

[Jays24]

 

Shouldn't Kim have gotten an offer much greater to stay than what he got from the Padres... Especially considering what Justin Smoak got paid.

 

Trying to understand the comment about MLB teams offering more to Sugano than what he's getting offered in Asia.

[saskjayfan]

Shouldn't Kim have gotten an offer much greater to stay than what he got from the Padres... Especially considering what Justin Smoak got paid.

 

Trying to understand the comment about MLB teams offering more to Sugano than what he's getting offered in Asia.

 

Smoak got a one year deal in Japan. Japan pays a lot more than Korea. Sugano probably is getting a pretty high offer in Japan. Teams will have to offer at least 8 to 10 per year for 3 or 4 years I'm guessing.

[G-Snarls]

Everyone now saying spring training and the regular season are going to start on time

 

Hopefully it works out that way

[saskjayfan]

Place your bets. Where is Sugano going? I'll take the Giants or the Mariners.

[glory]

 

Hard to see him choosing the Jays over the West Coast or NY, but let's see what happens.

[saskjayfan]

 

Hard to see him choosing the Jays over the West Coast or NY, but let's see what happens.

 

I'm so grateful for these posting players who have an actual deadline to give us something to talk about. 13 of top 65 free agents(according to MLB traderumors) have signed and 2 were qualifying offers and one was Kim who had a posting deadline.

[L54]

I'm so grateful for these posting players who have an actual deadline to give us something to talk about. 13 of top 65 free agents(according to MLB traderumors) have signed and 2 were qualifying offers and one was Kim who had a posting deadline.

 

I bet you peak at Christmas presents. They will sign!

[connorp]

I'm so grateful for these posting players who have an actual deadline to give us something to talk about. 13 of top 65 free agents(according to MLB traderumors) have signed and 2 were qualifying offers and one was Kim who had a posting deadline.

 

Bauer’s contract talk leak was just the latest for at least all the major FA where they’re pushing for $$.. as they should.

I’m quite confident if Springer wanted to sign 5/125 tomorrow, he could. Same thing for the other guys. I also think the 2nd tier guys are doing same thing. Like Didi or Semien having a reasonable 2 year deal on the table but they want more

 

The chips will all fall soon but the posturing was inevitable, especially with Covid

[Brownie19]

Whoever is running Razzball's social media should probably be removed from that role.

 

 

How's there content these days? back when I played fantasy baseball, I always enjoyed their site (but I stopped playing fantasy about 4-5 years ago).

[wilko]

Whoever is running Razzball's social media should probably be removed from that role.

 

 

wtf

[Laika]

Sugano - it is now being reported that he Mets are out on him. Interesting.

 

That leaves the Jays, Red Sox, and Giants as the rumoured teams.

[RustyTrombone]

4 yr 60 mill for sugano! get it done atkins!

[RobinThicc]

Gotta think he's going to the West coast.

 

The Giants are my guess.

[BTS]

Sugano would be a huge signing. He doesn't profile that differently from guys like Tanaka, Maeda, and Iwakuka, and they all are/were reliable rotation cogs after coming over.

[glory]

Gotta think he's going to the West coast.

 

The Giants are my guess.

 

Yeah, the Jays offer is going to have to be significantly better than SF's for him to choose Toronto, IMO. The Mets being out is definitely a positive in regards to Sugano, but makes it more clear they are saving up for Springer.

[Laika]

Gotta think he's going to the West coast.

 

The Giants are my guess.

 

West Coast teams have a massive advantage on these guys. It's been reported that Kim chose the Padres in part because he preferred the weather.

 

"The Red Sox made a strong bid for South Korean infielder Ha-Seong Kim before he agreed to a four-year, $28 million deal with the Padres.

 

Several reports in South Korea said Kim was wary of playing in cold weather and preferred a West Coast team."

[Laika]

Sugano would be a huge signing. He doesn't profile that differently from guys like Tanaka, Maeda, and Iwakuka, and they all are/were reliable rotation cogs after coming over.

 

Love his stats but his delivery is annoying lol.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AkaFQf8wsU

[The Iceman]

Seems most pitchers from Japan have a delay in their delivery.

 

Just like most hitters also have a slap and dash mentality to their swings.

[wilko]

Love his stats but his delivery is annoying lol.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AkaFQf8wsU

 

Not as bad as Nomo

[G-Snarls]

Anyone with a BA account mind sharing?

 

[jays4life19]

Anyone with a BA account mind sharing?

 

 

They made it so you can't really copy and paste it but i will below...might not be too readable though.

[jays4life19]

Back in 2016, we examined the history of teams trading an ace at the trade deadline and during the offseason.

 

In short, teams that trade a frontline pitcher for a prospect-laden package at the trade deadline almost never receive equal value in return, while teams that wait until the offseason fare better.

 

On the heels of the Rays trading Blake Snell and the Cubs trading Yu Darvish to the Padres, it’s instructive to look at precedent once more. We’ve updated our findings through the end of the 2020 season to provide a clearer picture of how likely it is the players the Rays and Cubs acquired will actually outperform Snell and Darvish over the rest of their careers.

 

As in our previous stories, we examined every offseason trade in the wild-card era (1995 to present) involving an ace-caliber pitcher and measured the post-trade career wins above replacement (WAR) totals, as calculated by Baseball-Reference.com, of the players involved.

 

Because of the different dynamics between trading a player during the regular season and the offseason, only trades made in the offseason were considered.

 

Our baseline criteria is three-fold. The deal must involve a pitcher who:

 

(1) Finished in the top three in Cy Young Award voting within the previous three seasons

 

(2) Was the primary player in the trade

 

(3) Was traded for at least two players who had not yet exhausted prospect eligibility.

 

(The Roger Clemens trade before the 1999 season and the Mike Hampton trade after the 1999 season are not included because Clemens and Hampton were primarily traded for major leaguers. The trade of Dontrelle Willis in 2007 is not included because Miguel Cabrera was the primary player in the trade.)

 

Please note Baseball-Reference adjusts its WAR calculations every few years, so career WAR totals for some players may have changed between 2016 and 2020 even if they were no longer playing.

 

 

April 6, 1995: Royals trade RHP David Cone to Blue Jays for SS Tony Medrano, RHP Dave Sinnes, and 3B Chris Stynes.

 

Blue Jays receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Royals receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

David Cone

 

26.4

 

Chris Stynes

 

8.2

 

Tony Medrano

 

N/A

 

Dave Sinnes

 

N/A

 

Total: 26.4

 

Total: 8.2

 

Nov. 18, 1997: Expos trade RHP Pedro Martinez to Red Sox for RHP Carl Pavano and a player to be named later (RHP Tony Armas)

 

Red Sox receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Expos receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Pedro Martinez

 

62.6

 

Carl Pavano

 

16.6

 

Tony Armas

 

8.3

 

Total: 62.6

 

Total: 24.9

 

Dec. 15, 1997: Marlins trade RHP Kevin Brown to Padres for 1B Derrek Lee, RHP Rafael Medina and LHP Steve Hoff.

 

Padres receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Marlins receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Kevin Brown

 

31.3

 

Derrek Lee

 

34.3

 

Rafael Medina

 

-0.9

 

Steve Hoff

 

N/A

 

Total: 31.3

 

Total: 33.4

 

 

 

Jan. 14, 2001: Blue Jays trade LHP David Wells to White Sox for RHP Mike Sirotka, OF Brian Simmons, RHP Kevin Beirne and RHP Mike Williams.

 

White Sox receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Blue Jays receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

David Wells

 

15.6

 

Mike Sirotka

 

0.0

 

Brian Simmons

 

-0.3

 

Kevin Beirne

 

0.0

 

Mike Williams

 

N/A

 

Total: 15.6

 

Total: -0.3

 

 

 

Nov. 28, 2003: Diamondbacks trade RHP Curt Schilling to Red Sox for LHP Casey Fossum, RHP Brandon Lyon, LHP Jorge De La Rosa and OF Mike Goss

 

Red Sox receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

D-backs receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Curt Schilling

 

17.7

 

Jorge De La Rosa

 

14.9

 

Brandon Lyon

 

5.0

 

Casey Fossum

 

-2.1

 

Mike Goss

 

N/A

 

Total: 17.7

 

Total: 17.8

 

 

 

Jan. 11, 2005: Diamondbacks trade LHP Randy Johnson to Yankees for LHP Brad Halsey, C Dioner Navarro, RHP Javier Vasquez and cash.

 

Yankees receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

D-backs receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Randy Johnson

 

12.3

 

Javier Vasquez

 

22.5

 

Dioner Navarro

 

7.0

 

Brad Halsey

 

0.1

 

Total: 12.3

 

Total: 29.6

 

Feb. 8, 2008: Twins trade LHP Johan Santana to Mets for OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Philip Humber, RHP Deolis Guerra and RHP Kevin Mulvey

 

Mets receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Twins receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Johan Santana

 

15.3

 

Carlos Gomez

 

24.0

 

Philip Humber

 

1.1

 

Deolis Guerra

 

-0.5

 

Kevin Mulvey

 

-0.5

 

Total: 15.3

 

Total: 24.1

 

 

 

Dec. 16, 2009: Blue Jays trade RHP Roy Halladay to Phillies for C Travis d’Arnaud, RHP Kyle Drabek and OF Michael D. Taylor

 

Phillies receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Blue Jays receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Roy Halladay

 

17.0

 

Travis d'Arnuad

 

4.1

 

Kyle Drabek

 

-0.1

 

Michael D. Taylor

 

-1.1

 

Total: 17.0

 

Total: 2.9

 

Dec. 16, 2009: Phillies trade LHP Cliff Lee to Mariners for OF Tyson Gillies, LHP Phillippe Aumont and RHP J.C. Ramirez

 

Mariners receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Phillies receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Cliff Lee

 

25.3

 

Phillippe Aumont

 

-0.8

 

J.C. Ramirez

 

0.5

 

Tyson Gillies

 

N/A

 

Total: 25.3

 

Total: -0.3

 

 

 

Dec. 19, 2010: Royals trade RHP Zack Greinke and SS Yuniesky Betancourt to Brewers for OF Lorenzo Cain, SS Alcides Escobar, RHP Jeremy Jeffress, and RHP Jake Odorizzi

 

Brewers receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Royals receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Zack Greinke

 

40.9

 

Lorenzo Cain

 

34.4

 

Yuniesky Betancourt

 

-3.6

 

Alcides Escobar

 

9.5

 

Jeremy Jeffress

 

8.7

 

Jake Odorizzi

 

12.5

 

Total: 37.3

 

Total: 65.1

 

Dec. 9. 2012: Rays trade RHP James Shields, RHP Wade Davis and a player to be named later (SS Elliot Johnson) to Royals for OF Wil Myers, LHP Mike Montgomery, RHP Jake Odorizzi and 3B Patrick Leonard.

 

Royals receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Rays receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

James Shields

 

11.0

 

Wil Myers

 

11.5

 

Wade Davis

 

8.0

 

Mike Montgomery

 

6.1

 

Elliot Johnson

 

0.4

 

Jake Odorizzi

 

12.4

 

Patrick Leonard

 

N/A

 

Total: 19.4

 

Total: 30.0

 

 

 

Dec. 17, 2012: Mets trade RHP R.A. Dickey, C Mike Nickeas and C Josh Thole to Blue Jays for RHP Noah Syndergaard, C John Buck, C Travis D’Arnaud and OF Wuilmer Becerra

 

Blue Jays receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Mets receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

R.A. Dickey

 

9.3

 

Noah Syndergaard

 

14.5

 

Josh Thole

 

-2.2

 

Travis d'Arnaud

 

4.1

 

Mike Nickeas

 

0.0

 

John Buck

 

0.1

 

Wuilmer Becerra

 

N/A

 

Total: 7.1

 

Total: 18.7

 

Dec. 6, 2016: White Sox trade LHP Chris Sale to Red Sox for 2B/3B Yoan Moncada, RHP Michael Kopech, OF Luis Alexander Basabe and RHP Victor Diaz.

 

Red Sox receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

White Sox receive

 

Post-Trade WAR

 

Chris Sale

 

15.2

 

Yoan Moncada

 

8.4

 

Michael Kopech

 

0.1

 

Luis Alexander Basabe

 

0.1

 

Victor Diaz

 

N/A

 

Total: 15.2

 

Total: 8.6

[Scion]

Would Sugano hurry up and f***ing sign. My body is ready for some FA news.

[G-Snarls]

Post-Trade WAR

 

Roy Halladay

 

17.0

 

Travis d'Arnuad

 

4.1

 

Kyle Drabek

 

-0.1

 

Michael D. Taylor

 

-1.1

 

Does replacing Taylor with the subsequent flips even make a difference? Probably not much.

 

Drabek was the frustrating one.