General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Jimcanuck]

Yes, lol. Freudian slip as I was linking the Springer story from Passan.

 

Freudian slip? Does Springer give you a chubby?

[keggy]

There may not be a player in baseball that would benefit more from roboumps than Biggio.

 

Rookies always get hosed by umps, he'll likely get more calls as his reputation spreads around the league.

 

If he reaches Bautista level respect for his eye he might even start stealing close calls, which is a scary thought given how many walks he draws already.

[Spanky99]

Freudian slip? Does Springer give you a chubby?

 

Shut up, retard.

[philly30]

Shut up, retard.

 

I believe the politically correct term is special needs individual !

[Jays24]

I believe the politically correct term is special needs individual !

 

[G-Snarls]

[RobinThicc]

Montoyo is so awkward lol. The way he started that interview had me in tears.

 

Could you imagine him calling you up and trying to recruit you to his team? Lol

[The Iceman]

I think CM is our weakest link. Like him as an assistant, don't like him as the boss. Doesn't seem to have the leadership skills that successful managers need to have.

[G-Snarls]

I think CM is our weakest link. Like him as an assistant, don't like him as the boss. Doesn't seem to have the leadership skills that successful managers need to have.

 

Agreed

 

Bench coach only

 

Go full Cleveland Steamers/Spiders/Rockers takeover and trade 4 Lindor, Carrasco and Francona.

[Laika]

Agreed

 

Bench coach only

 

Go full Cleveland Steamers/Spiders/Rockers takeover and trade 4 Lindor, Carrasco and Francona.

 

Two literal clubhouse cancers.

[Grant77]

Two literal clubhouse cancers.

 

Brutal

[EZe]

I think CM is our weakest link. Like him as an assistant, don't like him as the boss. Doesn't seem to have the leadership skills that successful managers need to have.

 

Many of us see this. I cringe thinking of him on our Zoom FA recruitment calls.

[Jays24]

Many of us see this. I cringe thinking of him on our Zoom FA recruitment calls.

 

Not a CM fan at all but what about all the Spanish speaking free agents where he can speak his native language? Can't be totally bad there lol

[RobinThicc]

Not a CM fan at all but what about all the Spanish speaking free agents where he can speak his native language? Can't be totally bad there lol

 

Might help with a potential Lindor extension

[Dick_Pole]

The Alomar-Biggio comps are funny. They are not similar types of players. Biggio could eat Alomar for breakfast. If you're looking for a Biggio comp from the World Series era that would be Olerud.

[Grant77]

The Alomar-Biggio comps are funny. They are not similar types of players. Biggio could eat Alomar for breakfast. If you're looking for a Biggio comp from the World Series era that would be Olerud.

 

Biggio is far better than a Hall of Fame player. Who we should really compare him to is a worse player that plays a different position.

[Dick_Pole]

Biggio is far better than a Hall of Fame player. Who we should really compare him to is a worse player that plays a different position.

 

Instead of assuming that everyone around you is an absolute moron, maybe stop and think for a second that your autistic mind can't handle the idiom. I meant in terms of physical size, not in terms of baseball accomplishments.

[Grant77]

Instead of assuming that everyone around you is an absolute moron, maybe stop and think for a second that your autistic mind can't handle the idiom. I meant in terms of physical size, not in terms of baseball accomplishments.

 

Your point was hardly obvious, given that they have rather similar builds and only differ by 2 inches and 16 pounds. Biggio is closer in height to Alomar than he is to John Olerud.

 

Who comps size anyways? It's always baseball abilities in the context that you used the word. Say what you mean if you want people to understand.

[Deadpool]

Biggio is far better than a Hall of Fame player. Who we should really compare him to is a worse player that plays a different position.

 

It's not really germane, more of an aside but the difference in career WAR between Olerud and Alomar is 6.3 over 17 seasons. And Alomar played 145 more games.

 

Yeah, Robbie was the better player for several reasons, but the way you phrased that makes it sound like it's a huge gap, when the difference was ~0.35 WAR per season. Olerud was a fantastic player.

[Grant77]

It's not really germane, more of an aside but the difference in career WAR between Olerud and Alomar is 6.3 over 17 seasons. And Alomar played 145 more games.

 

Yeah, Robbie was the better player for several reasons, but the way you phrased that makes it sound like it's a huge gap, when the difference was ~0.35 WAR per season. Olerud was a fantastic player.

 

In reality, the gap was far larger than that because defensive metrics were horrendous back then, but I get what you are saying. Olerud probably would have gotten serious HOF consideration if he had above average power numbers.

[G-Snarls]

In reality, the gap was far larger than that because defensive metrics were horrendous back then, but I get what you are saying. Olerud probably would have gotten serious HOF consideration if he had above average power numbers.

 

Yeah. He played a position and at a time where massive HR totals were expected from first basemen. Guys like Palmeiro, McGuire and Bagwell were all overshadowing him with (? PED enhanced) HR numbers while Oleriud was just quietly a very good hitter.

[The Iceman]

The fine folks @ Razzball had this to say:

 

Tellez more! Tellez more! Tellez more!

 

Rowdy Tellez isn’t just hitting the ball hard; he’s doing it after nearly cutting his strikeouts in half. He went from 28.4% K% to 15.7% this past year, and upped his walks from 7.1% to 8.7%. His O-Swing went from 38.3% to 30.7% and his Z-Swing went from 62% to 71.4%. To explain that in layman’s terms, he stopped swinging at balls outside the zone and swung more at strikes. So, let’s get this straight, Rowdy Tellez was more aggressive in the zone, while hitting the ball harder than everyone but two of the biggest sluggers in baseball? If you can’t catch me as I faint, I don’t fault you, but I am about to fall over. Not too get too Bold Predictiony, but Rowdy Tellez is about to have a better season for fantasy than Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Barring injury and some extremely stupid platooning, I’m not sure how Rowdy Tellez isn’t a top 100 player overall, and he’s going around 275th overall. Find a better sleeper, I’ll wait. Okay, I’m done waiting. For 2021,

 

I’ll give Rowdy Tellez projections 80/28/93/.287/3 in 506 ABs with a chance for more.

[Spanky99]

The fine folks @ Razzball had this to say:

 

Tellez more! Tellez more! Tellez more!

 

Rowdy Tellez isn’t just hitting the ball hard; he’s doing it after nearly cutting his strikeouts in half. He went from 28.4% K% to 15.7% this past year, and upped his walks from 7.1% to 8.7%. His O-Swing went from 38.3% to 30.7% and his Z-Swing went from 62% to 71.4%. To explain that in layman’s terms, he stopped swinging at balls outside the zone and swung more at strikes. So, let’s get this straight, Rowdy Tellez was more aggressive in the zone, while hitting the ball harder than everyone but two of the biggest sluggers in baseball? If you can’t catch me as I faint, I don’t fault you, but I am about to fall over. Not too get too Bold Predictiony, but Rowdy Tellez is about to have a better season for fantasy than Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Barring injury and some extremely stupid platooning, I’m not sure how Rowdy Tellez isn’t a top 100 player overall, and he’s going around 275th overall. Find a better sleeper, I’ll wait. Okay, I’m done waiting. For 2021,

 

I’ll give Rowdy Tellez projections 80/28/93/.287/3 in 506 ABs with a chance for more.

 

Razzball wrote all that? WTF is that statline... lol. Holy f***.

[saskjayfan]

Razzball wrote all that? WTF is that statline... lol. Holy f***.

 

Razzball is just a pure fantasy baseball website. I don't even play fantasy, but I read Razz because it's entertaining. His numbers are wrong. Tellez' O-swing at the beginning of the year was 42%. The last few weeks it plummeted as Rowdy started laying off pitches. His O-swing the last few weeks was sub 30%. His final number on fangraphs says 37.3%. He was stalking pitchers those last few weeks before his injury. If Rowdy comes to camp in the same shape he showed up to summer camp he's going to put an OPS north of .900.

[Grant77]

Razzball is just a pure fantasy baseball website. I don't even play fantasy, but I read Razz because it's entertaining. His numbers are wrong. Tellez' O-swing at the beginning of the year was 42%. The last few weeks it plummeted as Rowdy started laying off pitches. His O-swing the last few weeks was sub 30%. His final number on fangraphs says 37.3%. He was stalking pitchers those last few weeks before his injury. If Rowdy comes to camp in the same shape he showed up to summer camp he's going to put an OPS north of .900.

 

I think we should question whether his adjustments will stick after such a small sample, but we know that his huge power is real. If he can maintain a K rate around 20% then we have a very useful player on our hands.

[Olerud363]

The Alomar-Biggio comps are funny. They are not similar types of players. Biggio could eat Alomar for breakfast. If you're looking for a Biggio comp from the World Series era that would be Olerud.

 

Alomar and Olerud are pretty close, 63 WAR for Alomar, 57 for Olerud. Olerud's peak season's are better according to fangraphs. Olerud hit 8 War twice.

 

Reason to compare Alomar and Biggio is they play the same position and both had about 4 WAR through there first 160 games with the Jays.

 

No one is saying Biggio is going to become as good as Olerud or Alomar. Just that he is at the same stage they were in 1991.

 

Biggio is older then they were in 1991 and has a weird skill set... so yeah it's hard to see Biggio developing on the Olerud/Alomar path to 6+ WAR

 

but he could because he is already at 4

[Olerud363]

Alomar and Olerud are pretty close, 63 WAR for Alomar, 57 for Olerud. Olerud's peak season's are better according to fangraphs. Olerud hit 8 War twice.

 

Reason to compare Alomar and Biggio is they play the same position and both had about 4 WAR through there first 160 games with the Jays.

 

No one is saying Biggio is going to become as good as Olerud or Alomar. Just that he is at the same stage they were in 1991.

 

Biggio is older then they were in 1991 and has a weird skill set... so yeah it's hard to see Biggio developing on the Olerud/Alomar path to 6+ WAR

 

but he could because he is already at 4

 

Why is peak Olerud better than Peak Alomar according to fangraphs?

 

A .350 hitter with 110 walks 40 double 20ish homers or so and gold glove 1b defense (93 and 98)

 

vs A .320 hitter with 80 walks 40 doubles, 20ish homers or so and the stats didn't read his defense (93, 96, 99, 01 I think)

[G-Snarls]

Why is peak Olerud better than Peak Alomar according to fangraphs?

 

A .350 hitter with 110 walks 40 double 20ish homers or so and gold glove 1b defense (93 and 98)

 

vs A .320 hitter with 80 walks 40 doubles, 20ish homers or so and the stats didn't read his defense (93, 96, 99, 01 I think)

 

Because Alomar is a victim of oddly false negative defensive value from a time it wasn't tracked very well

[Spanky99]

Because Alomar is a victim of oddly false negative defensive value from a time it wasn't tracked very well

 

Exactly, I don't even like the metrics today. That s*** is ********.

[Spanky99]

Razzball is just a pure fantasy baseball website. I don't even play fantasy, but I read Razz because it's entertaining. His numbers are wrong. Tellez' O-swing at the beginning of the year was 42%. The last few weeks it plummeted as Rowdy started laying off pitches. His O-swing the last few weeks was sub 30%. His final number on fangraphs says 37.3%. He was stalking pitchers those last few weeks before his injury. If Rowdy comes to camp in the same shape he showed up to summer camp he's going to put an OPS north of .900.

 

Oh I know, but still... LMFBO!