General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[L54]

Corner outfield is an easy place to utilize platoon-y guys too

[EZe]

Could be a piece in a Lindor trade.

 

Has anyone heard any rumours on Story being available ?

A lot of big time SS are FA next year.

[Spanky99]

Could be a piece in a Lindor trade.

 

Has anyone heard any rumours on Story being available ?

A lot of big time SS are FA next year.

 

Latest on the Story...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/colorado-rockies

[THANOS]

Could be a piece in a Lindor trade.

 

Has anyone heard any rumours on Story being available ?

A lot of big time SS are FA next year.

 

Hmmmm.

 

1) Teoscar + Moreno for Lindor

 

or

 

2) LGJ + Hiraldo for Lindor

 

We know Cleveland have much less leverage than Boston did with Mookie because every team knows they can't afford Lindor at all. So I wonder if above would get it done?

 

Teo won a silver slugger and still has a couple cheap years of control and Moreno is just outside the Top 100.

 

LGJ has more cheap years of control than Teo and Hiraldo is further away from the Top 100 than Moreno but is a Top 10 prospect in our stacked farm.

 

Then you can either move Biggio to the OF if Vlad comes in and can play 3B, or move Biggio to 3rd and sign Ozuna/Brantley. I'd prefer the latter since it's likely a shorter term deal and we have Martin and Groshans coming in the next couple years and one of them likely moves to the OF.

[Jays24]

Hmmmm.

 

1) Teoscar + Moreno for Lindor

 

or

 

2) LGJ + Hiraldo for Lindor

 

We know Cleveland have much less leverage than Boston did with Mookie because every team knows they can't afford Lindor at all. So I wonder if above would get it done?

 

Teo won a silver slugger and still has a couple cheap years of control and Moreno is just outside the Top 100.

 

LGJ has more cheap years of control than Teo and Hiraldo is further away from the Top 100 than Moreno but is a Top 10 prospect in our stacked farm.

 

Then you can either move Biggio to the OF if Vlad comes in and can play 3B, or move Biggio to 3rd and sign Ozuna/Brantley. I'd prefer the latter since it's likely a shorter term deal and we have Martin and Groshans coming in the next couple years and one of them likely moves to the OF.

 

If people had to choose between Biggio/Teo/Gurriel... who would you prefer to send out in a trade?

[Jimcanuck]

If people had to choose between Biggio/Teo/Gurriel... who would you prefer to send out in a trade?

 

Teo

[Stangstag]

Teo

 

Same. I don’t think his stock will ever be higher. Im also not so sure he can repeat next year

[Jimcanuck]

Same. I don’t think his stock will ever be higher. Im also not so sure he can repeat next year

 

I'm looking at the 30% K rate and .350 BABIP. Feel more confident in Gurriel maintaining a 120 or greater wrC+ going forward.

[Grant77]

Cleveland was rumoured to be interested in LGJ when we were discussing Clevinger. A major league outfielder is probably very interesting to them.

[saskjayfan]

I'm looking at the 30% K rate and .350 BABIP. Feel more confident in Gurriel maintaining a 120 or greater wrC+ going forward.

 

You can't ignore the exit velocity and barrel percentage. Teo can handle the heat. XWOBA .381 last year for Teo. I really don't want to trade for Lindor if we can't sign him to an extension.

[saskjayfan]

Latest on the Story...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/colorado-rockies

 

I think I'd rather have Story, because the price will be less and I don't feel like players in Colorado are properly evaluated. Colorado gives with Coors field but it also takes away. Travelling from altitude to away destinations is hard on the body and adjusting to breaking balls is incredibly difficult on the road. The adjustments take away for the advantages that Coors gives players, but it doesn't give anything back to Rockies players on the road who deal with challenges no other players in the league have to deal with on the road.

[Jimcanuck]

You can't ignore the exit velocity and barrel percentage. Teo can handle the heat. XWOBA .381 last year for Teo. I really don't want to trade for Lindor if we can't sign him to an extension.

 

So out of Biggio/LBJ/Teo who would you prefer to move for Lindor? This is the question that was asked.

[THANOS]

So out of Biggio/LBJ/Teo who would you prefer to move for Lindor? This is the question that was asked.

 

I would choose Teo. I think the other two offer more in the field and are more likely to sustain/improve going fwd imo.

[Laika]

So out of Biggio/LBJ/Teo who would you prefer to move for Lindor? This is the question that was asked.

 

Oof. Tough.

 

Certainly not Biggio. I think Lourdes has a year of control over Teo. Teo has the higher offensive upside but Lourdes probably has more defensive potential. And the offensive ceiling gap might not be huge.

 

Honestly, I might not do any of them unless there is an extension

[mellowgold]

Yeah, a Lindor extension would definitely need to be in place to give up any of the three. Crazy that Lindor is actually younger than both LGJ and Teo and only a year and a half older than Biggio. Feels like Frankie has been around forever. He's an absolute perfect fit on this team though and I actually feel like the Jays are gonna get him. I think LGJ is the main piece going the other way though. Cleveland is gonna love that contract and they've apparently expressed interest before.

[mellowgold]

3b Biggio

2b Bichette

ss Lindor

rf Teoscar

1b/dh Vladdy

1b/dh Rowdy

lf Grichuk

cf JBJ????

c Jansen

 

That is sick

[Jimcanuck]

So let's assume LBJ or Teo plus a prospect is enough for Lindor with an extension. Does Biggio move to 3B and Bichette to 2B, and someone like JBJ signed for CF? How would you move the pieces?

[Jimcanuck]

3b Biggio

2b Bichette

ss Lindor

rf Teoscar

1b/dh Vladdy

1b/dh Rowdy

lf Grichuk

cf JBJ????

c Jansen

 

That is sick

 

Heck of a defensive improvement

[mellowgold]

...

[Jays24]

From the limited action I saw, I don't think Biggio is a good 3rd baseman. He seems so uncomfortable with the way he throws from there. I'd rather give Bo a chance or who knows, we might pickup someone from agency to play there.

[jaysguy44]

Oof. Tough.

 

Certainly not Biggio. I think Lourdes has a year of control over Teo. Teo has the higher offensive upside but Lourdes probably has more defensive potential. And the offensive ceiling gap might not be huge.

 

Honestly, I might not do any of them unless there is an extension

I'd prefer not to, but you wouldn't move Biggio in a deal for Lindor?

[mellowgold]

I'd prefer not to, but you wouldn't move Biggio in a deal for Lindor?

 

I think he's just saying Biggio would be his third choice of the three options presented.

[Laika]

I'd prefer not to, but you wouldn't move Biggio in a deal for Lindor?

 

I think he's just saying Biggio would be his third choice of the three options presented.

 

I would not.

 

Biggio is a pre-prime, 3 WAR player (conservatively) with half a decade of control left. The Indians brass would be doing cartwheels if they landed him for Lindor.

[Jimcanuck]

From the limited action I saw, I don't think Biggio is a good 3rd baseman. He seems so uncomfortable with the way he throws from there. I'd rather give Bo a chance or who knows, we might pickup someone from agency to play there.

 

Both Biggio and Bichette have arm strength not suited for 3B. Bichette has more range. If arm strength is same/similar you probably put the guy with more range at 2B.

[Laika]

Both Biggio and Bichette have arm strength not suited for 3B. Bichette has more range. If arm strength is same/similar you probably put the guy with more range at 2B.

 

Bichette's arm is at least a grade better and would be fine at 3B. Bichette is likely better than Biggio at any infield position. They would probably keep Biggio at 2B in this scenario because he's comfortable/fine/experienced there. And for Bo SS --> 3B can be an easier transition than SS --> 2B.

[Jimcanuck]

Bichette's arm is at least a grade better and would be fine at 3B. Bichette is likely better than Biggio at any infield position. They would probably keep Biggio at 2B in this scenario because he's comfortable/fine/experienced there. And for Bo SS --> 3B can be an easier transition than SS --> 2B.

 

From the info I was looking at, their arm strength is similar. Agree on the rest.

[saskjayfan]

So out of Biggio/LBJ/Teo who would you prefer to move for Lindor? This is the question that was asked.

 

I'm sort of answered it by saying I'd rather keep all three and trade for Story. I wouldn't trade one year of Lindor for any of those three. If Lindor was willing to sign a long term extension at the time of the trade it might be a different conversation.

[Jays24]

I'm sort of answered it by saying I'd rather keep all three and trade for Story. I wouldn't trade one year of Lindor for any of those three. If Lindor was willing to sign a long term extension at the time of the trade it might be a different conversation.

 

I think it would be assumed we would get an extension done before trading any of those 3. We cannot give a top prospect for a year rental of Lindor when there's so many SS's available next year. Heck, we could throw money at Simien/Simmons/Didi/Kim if we get that desperate for a SS this year.

[Jays24]

From the info I was looking at, their arm strength is similar. Agree on the rest.

 

I think watching them, you can tell Bo can would be better suited at both positions. I consider Biggio as an average 2b and a below average 3b. Bo would be a plus defender at 2b and I would guess an average 3b at worst.

 

While many love Biggio, I cant think of a defensive position he would be considered above average in.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Jays24

[Jimcanuck]

I'm sort of answered it by saying I'd rather keep all three and trade for Story. I wouldn't trade one year of Lindor for any of those three. If Lindor was willing to sign a long term extension at the time of the trade it might be a different conversation.

 

That's fine, but you can still answer the question posed.