General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[King]

cool guy: what did scouts miss about cavan biggio?

Keith Law: Nothing. This season so far is such a tiny sample that there are weird outlier results all over the place – unless you think Mike Trout is really a .333 OBP guy.

[TheHurl]

cool guy: what did scouts miss about cavan biggio?

Keith Law: Nothing. This season so far is such a tiny sample that there are weird outlier results all over the place – unless you think Mike Trout is really a .333 OBP guy.

 

He sticks to guns.

[Deadpool]

cool guy: what did scouts miss about cavan biggio?

Keith Law: Nothing. This season so far is such a tiny sample that there are weird outlier results all over the place – unless you think Mike Trout is really a .333 OBP guy.

 

I can't tell if this is a real or fake quote. Neither would surprise me.

[King]

I can't tell if this is a real or fake quote. Neither would surprise me.

How about this one.. from the same chat, lol

 

Frank N.: When will you admit the Biggio take was just plain bad? You’re very quick to let everyone know the wins of your evals, but quiet on what you missed on…and missed on big time.

Keith Law: I have posted a column every year listing players I missed on for at least six years now, so that’s just some ********. And no, I didn’t miss on Biggio. He can’t hit major-league fastballs, and even during this tiny sample where he’s produced that’s held true.

[Deadpool]

Man, he's not only dying on that hill, but he's digging his own grave up there.

[Jimcanuck]

How about this one.. from the same chat, lol

 

Frank N.: When will you admit the Biggio take was just plain bad? You’re very quick to let everyone know the wins of your evals, but quiet on what you missed on…and missed on big time.

Keith Law: I have posted a column every year listing players I missed on for at least six years now, so that’s just some ********. And no, I didn’t miss on Biggio. He can’t hit major-league fastballs, and even during this tiny sample where he’s produced that’s held true.

 

Holy s***, just when you thought Law could go no lower, he does it

[King]

I very much regret opening this Keith Law chat.

[glory]

Can you imagine working for the Jays when Ricciardi and Law were in the front office? That level of douche must have been insufferable.

[Olerud363]

I can't tell if this is a real or fake quote. Neither would surprise me.

 

Has Law ever been wrong about anybody??

 

Once we get back to 162 games seasons there will no longer be these small sample size problems

 

Official Kieth Law 2021 projections

 

Vladimir Guerrero JR - .240 11 HR 68 RBIs 298 pounds 77% ground ball rate

 

Cavan Biggio (note starting April 2021 Scouts double down that Cavan can't hit, and no longer let pitchers throw any balls or breaking stuff so Cavan can't walk any more) .177 38 wallks sent down July 20th

 

Fernando Tatis JR - .355 51 HR - 4 Dwar -- 12 baseball ref WAR 12.5 fangraphs WAR 14 Kieth Law WAR

 

Mike Trout - .290 39 HR .410 on base 7.5 WAR

 

(note Trout is second best player in baseball, amazingly Tatis JR beats second place by 5+ WAR)

 

(Kieth's formula is proven the best)

 

Kieth's brilliance recognized and hired by Dodgers to be GM, but Yankees offer more.

[dineke]

How about this one.. from the same chat, lol

 

Frank N.: When will you admit the Biggio take was just plain bad? You’re very quick to let everyone know the wins of your evals, but quiet on what you missed on…and missed on big time.

Keith Law: I have posted a column every year listing players I missed on for at least six years now, so that’s just some ********. And no, I didn’t miss on Biggio. He can’t hit major-league fastballs, and even during this tiny sample where he’s produced that’s held true.

 

Cavan can't hit fastballs? Anyone have the numbers on this?

[BlueRocky]

Cavan can't hit fastballs? Anyone have the numbers on this?

 

Cavan Biggio

2019: .398 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .391 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Gleyber Torres

2019: .397 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .355 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Kris Bryant

2019: .415 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .311 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Matt Chapman

2019: .364 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .355 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Anthony Rendon

2019: .455 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .370 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Mookie Betts

2019: .409 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .427 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Mike Trout

2019: .446 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .393 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

I guess all these guys can't hit fastballs.

 

p.s. 3-0 and 3-1 are considered "fastball counts" where pitchers will throw a fastball to avoid walking the batter.

 

Cavan Biggio splits:

count 3-0: 320 wRC+

count 3-1: 273 wRC+

count 3-2: 176 wRC+ (and ridiculous 39.2% walkrate and OPS .973)

 

Biggio also has an unreal 12.7 O-Swing%

Edited August 28, 2020 by BlueRocky

[KevinGregg]

That should be a forfeit. Chalk another one up on the win column boys!

 

Are you seriously one of the triggered boomers who thinks the players should just shut up and dribble? I thought better of you before

[Spanky99]

Thornton on 45-day IL. Out for the season

 

*Loose Bodies in his Elbow*

[Ex Player]

Thornton on 45-day IL. Out for the season

[Spanky99]

Are you seriously one of the triggered boomers who thinks the players should just shut up and dribble? I thought better of you before

 

He's an American Republican, but I believe he was being facetious.

[connorp]

Are you seriously one of the triggered boomers who thinks the players should just shut up and dribble? I thought better of you before

 

It’s not about shut up and dribble or pitch.. canceling games till a later day just isn’t the right medium. Everyone is well aware of what’s going on and it’s not going to change anyone’s stance. It really just inflames the situation and nothing more.

 

The players are much more in a position to create change than owners. Owners will write a check to charity where 70% is gobbled up in admin fees and the other 30% going to the cause is likely misappropriated on some level. Their influence outside of wring a check is very little and it wouldn’t be a big part of the solution. It’s clear from school budgets and such in some of these cities that tossing money at the problem won’t fix it alone.

 

Players are the ones with millions of followers on social media and powerful voices. Their presence in the community can bring about big change. From supporting community centers and schools, to visiting police stations, etc. And they have media on their side to pressure owners about putting some money towards those kind of things. Team effort

 

But again, delaying games and just making it up as part of a double header tomorrow is just plain dumb and nobody reasonable think it’s effective in any way. Just inflames the country’s already social divide

Edited August 28, 2020 by connorp

[Scion]

It’s not about shut up and dribble or pitch.. canceling games till a later day just isn’t the right medium. Everyone is well aware of what’s going on and it’s not going to change anyone’s stance. It really just inflames the situation and nothing more.

 

The players are much more in a position to create change than owners. Owners will write a check to charity where 70% is gobbled up in admin fees and the other 30% going to the cause is likely misappropriated on some level. Their influence outside of wring a check is very little and it wouldn’t be a big part of the solution. It’s clear from school budgets and such in some of these cities that tossing money at the problem won’t fix it alone.

 

Players are the ones with millions of followers on social media and powerful voices. Their presence in the community can bring about big change. From supporting community centers and schools, to visiting police stations, etc. And they have media on their side to pressure owners about putting some money towards those kind of things. Team effort

 

But again, delaying games and just making it up as part of a double header tomorrow is just plain dumb and nobody reasonable think it’s effective in any way. Just inflames the country’s already social divide

 

So it is up to black athletes to fix injustice against black people? You realize that it is only a small percentage of athletes that actually have the resources to meaningfully change their communities? And of that group many already invest in their communities. Police brutality and racial inequalities still exist.

 

Furthermore, it is not black communities that need to have the message spread to them. They are the victims of racial inequality.

[Scion]

It’s not about shut up and dribble or pitch.. canceling games till a later day just isn’t the right medium. Everyone is well aware of what’s going on and it’s not going to change anyone’s stance. It really just inflames the situation and nothing more.

 

The players are much more in a position to create change than owners. Owners will write a check to charity where 70% is gobbled up in admin fees and the other 30% going to the cause is likely misappropriated on some level. Their influence outside of wring a check is very little and it wouldn’t be a big part of the solution. It’s clear from school budgets and such in some of these cities that tossing money at the problem won’t fix it alone.

 

Players are the ones with millions of followers on social media and powerful voices. Their presence in the community can bring about big change. From supporting community centers and schools, to visiting police stations, etc. And they have media on their side to pressure owners about putting some money towards those kind of things. Team effort

 

But again, delaying games and just making it up as part of a double header tomorrow is just plain dumb and nobody reasonable think it’s effective in any way. Just inflames the country’s already social divide

 

Clearly people do think its effective otherwise this wouldnt be happening or is everyone who has a different view point unreasonable?

[connorp]

So it is up to black athletes to fix injustice against black people? You realize that it is only a small percentage of athletes that actually have the resources to meaningfully change their communities? And of that group many already invest in their communities. Police brutality and racial inequalities still exist.

 

Furthermore, it is not black communities that need to have the message spread to them. They are the victims of racial inequality.

 

536 men have been shot to death by cops this year vs 22 women. So either men are getting hunted down like animals or there’s underlying reasons why that is....fixing the underlying factors of this racial injustice you speak of is crucial. But I’ll just drop the political part of the discussion..

 

But to the more sport-related part.. why do athletes need resources for meaningful change? You think Bo Bichette couldn’t draw major attention to some local community project? Doesn’t even have to be a black guy or star (though star part helps obv). Cavan Biggio same thing. They don’t need to put their own money into it. Once the media gets involved businesses and individuals will take care of that part. And like I said, maybe MLB/NBA/indiv teams can pony something up too. But that’s where real change can happen. It won’t be from not playing a game and making it up tomorrow

[L54]

So it is up to black athletes to fix injustice against black people? You realize that it is only a small percentage of athletes that actually have the resources to meaningfully change their communities? And of that group many already invest in their communities. Police brutality and racial inequalities still exist.

 

Furthermore, it is not black communities that need to have the message spread to them. They are the victims of racial inequality.

 

They can make a meaningful change in their communities with their time. That would be a good start. Not everything just needs money thrown at it.

[Grant77]

536 men have been shot to death by cops this year vs 22 women. So either men are getting hunted down like animals or there’s underlying reasons why that is....fixing the underlying factors of this racial injustice you speak of is crucial. But I’ll just drop the political part of the discussion..

 

But to the more sport-related part.. why do athletes need resources for meaningful change? You think Bo Bichette couldn’t draw major attention to some local community project? Doesn’t even have to be a black guy or star (though star part helps obv). Cavan Biggio same thing. They don’t need to put their own money into it. Once the media gets involved businesses and individuals will take care of that part. And like I said, maybe MLB/NBA/indiv teams can pony something up too. But that’s where real change can happen. It won’t be from not playing a game and making it up tomorrow

 

I just wish that the players would choose a better moment to do this kind of protest and I would fully support it. An injury to a sex offender and domestic abuser who ignored police and went for a weapon isn't going to draw in a lot of sympathy. I frankly don't care what happens to pieces of s*** like that.

 

There have far worse incidents this year which would garner more support and do more good, but they pass by without acknowledgement.

[Spanky99]

It’s not about shut up and dribble or pitch.. canceling games till a later day just isn’t the right medium. Everyone is well aware of what’s going on and it’s not going to change anyone’s stance. It really just inflames the situation and nothing more.

 

The players are much more in a position to create change than owners. Owners will write a check to charity where 70% is gobbled up in admin fees and the other 30% going to the cause is likely misappropriated on some level. Their influence outside of wring a check is very little and it wouldn’t be a big part of the solution. It’s clear from school budgets and such in some of these cities that tossing money at the problem won’t fix it alone.

 

Players are the ones with millions of followers on social media and powerful voices. Their presence in the community can bring about big change. From supporting community centers and schools, to visiting police stations, etc. And they have media on their side to pressure owners about putting some money towards those kind of things. Team effort

 

But again, delaying games and just making it up as part of a double header tomorrow is just plain dumb and nobody reasonable think it’s effective in any way. Just inflames the country’s already social divide

 

f***, I agree. Good post. I tried something similar but left out sports till the end, my bad.

[Spanky99]

Forum's soft now.

[Dokken]

just my luck we get a MLB team and I can't go watch them !! Seriously, good luck for a great 2020 for the Toronto Blue Jays of Buffalo

[z3r0s]

have fun on yo ban Spank!

love ya bud

[Grant77]

Free Spanky

[Dokken]

Bad things happen is not a reason to do nothing. I don't know what the solution is, but I know that trying to do something is better than nothing.

 

Dude, I agree that 'doing something' is important. But, first and foremost we all should educate ourselves with the actual data, not news media talking points on isolated anecdotal incidents. See the work of Heather Mac Donald, if you want the real goods.

 

I don't think MLB players accomplish anything by 'boycotting' games. The demographic most into baseball (white guys over 40 years old) are not buying into the narrative. BAD BUSINESS

 

ETA: doing 'something' is often worse than doing nothing if you are acting on incorrect information and/or ignoring conflicting info (see Operation Market Garden for a good example).

[BlueRocky]

Free Spanky

 

:( :(

[BlueRocky]

 

This was always their plan. Merryweather was stretched out during spring training to debut in a starters role before an oblique strain set him back. His stuff plays as a starter, just need to keep him healthy. We joked that Merryweather would have more impact than Pearson this season, looking good so far. At the very least he’s an impact high leverage reliever in the playoffs. His mound presence has also been impressive.

[Deadpool]

Cavan Biggio

2019: .398 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .391 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Gleyber Torres

2019: .397 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .355 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Kris Bryant

2019: .415 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .311 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Matt Chapman

2019: .364 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .355 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Anthony Rendon

2019: .455 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .370 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Mookie Betts

2019: .409 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .427 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

Mike Trout

2019: .446 wOBA vs Fastballs

2020: .393 wOBA vs Fastballs

 

I guess all these guys can't hit fastballs.

 

p.s. 3-0 and 3-1 are considered "fastball counts" where pitchers will throw a fastball to avoid walking the batter.

 

Cavan Biggio splits:

count 3-0: 320 wRC+

count 3-1: 273 wRC+

count 3-2: 176 wRC+ (and ridiculous 39.2% walkrate and OPS .973)

 

Biggio also has an unreal 12.7 O-Swing%

 

Keith Law clearly said that Biggio couldn't hit MAJOR LEAGUE Fastballs. All this shows is that Biggio hasn't ever faced a pitcher with a good fastball. Not once, in his whole career. Keith Law shall not be impugned!