General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[TheHurl]

There will most likely be at least 6-7 players with a better wRC + than Grichuk.

 

Projection vs. Prediction.

 

With that said most of the Jays bats are interchangable and I'd be okay with a different batting order every game based on Charlie's whims...because it really matters that little

[Spanky99]

4th best hitter by what metrics?? Bichette, Biggio, Vlad, LGjr , maybe Shaw, Grichuk has a high SLG% and s*** OPS, avg, K rate contact rate.. He has power when he makes contact... Which usually doesn't start until the 2nd half or in streaks where he sucks in between streaks.

 

By Steamer, I'll take them projections over CD, thank you very much.

[Spanky99]

There will most likely be at least 6-7 players with a better wRC + than Grichuk.

 

That's possible, but I'll believe Steamer projections over Gruber's projections all day.

[Spanky99]

Projection vs. Prediction.

 

With that said most of the Jays bats are interchangable and I'd be okay with a different batting order every game based on Charlie's whims...because it really matters that little

 

Exactly, there's no prediction.

[Spanky99]

4th best hitter by what metrics?? Bichette, Biggio, Vlad, LGjr , maybe Shaw, Grichuk has a high SLG% and s*** OPS, avg, K rate contact rate.. He has power when he makes contact... Which usually doesn't start until the 2nd half or in streaks where he sucks in between streaks.

 

lol @ you and Gruber.

[Spanky99]

There will most likely be at least 6-7 players with a better wRC + than Grichuk.

 

Heh, that'd be awesome bud.

[glory]

Grichuk has a 100 wRC+ since the start of 2016 (over 2000 plate appearances). That and a sub-.300 OBP are pretty reasonable expectations for him. If he’s anywhere near one of the best hitters on the team in 2020 then I hope it’s because he broke out with the bat. If he’s the same old dude he’s been for years now and ends up being one of our better hitters, then that means it will be a long season.

 

I’m just glad they are putting him in CF. At least the bat plays up a little bit in that spot.

Edited February 17, 2020 by glory

[gruber92]

Heh, that'd be awesome bud.

 

If he improves from his 90 wRC+ that would be awesome to, bud.

[jerb]

 

Shi Davidi

@ShiDavidi

 

A few quick notes:

 

-- Tanner Roark threw in morning and then was sent home with a fever;

-- Sean-Reid Foley will be stretched out as a starter and be in triple-A Buffalo rotation if he doesn't make team;

-- Jacob Waguespack is also starter, Thomas Pannone in mix for relief gig

[Grant77]

I guess this basically means Shaw and Grichuk share the 5 and 6 spots in the order, but i hope not. Grichuk should not be hitting in the top 6, hitting 7th is ideal for his skill set.

 

What makes someone an ideal 7th hitter? How does the skill set differ from an ideal 6th hitter?

[Boxcar]

What makes someone an ideal 7th hitter? How does the skill set differ from an ideal 6th hitter?

 

Lol imagine complaining that a guy is hitting 6th instead of 7th. True definition of a joyless old bastard.

[Terminator]

The lineup order really doesn't matter that much. It does serve as a litmus test for how retarded Montoyo is though.

[glory]

The lineup order really doesn't matter that much. It does serve as a litmus test for how retarded Montoyo is though.

 

It appears Bichette-Biggio-Vlad is going to be the top 3. After that there really isn't a right or wrong answer on the placement since there is so much volatility in most of the other hitters on the team. Have to go by performance from there.

[Orgfiller]

It appears Bichette-Biggio-Vlad is going to be the top 3. After that there really isn't a right or wrong answer on the placement since there is so much volatility in most of the other hitters on the team. Have to go by performance from there.

 

I'm pretty sure Gurriel will be the 3 hitter and Vlad the cleanup, as things stand.

[Carlos Danger]

I'm pretty sure Gurriel will be the 3 hitter and Vlad the cleanup, as things stand.

 

I like that much better. Do not want Grichuk top 4.

[Spanky99]

If he improves from his 90 wRC+ that would be awesome to, bud.

 

Uhmm... I was being serious, if 6 or 7 guys hit better than Grichuk projections, that would be awesome.

 

ETA: 2020 team projections...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=14&lg=all&players=

Edited February 18, 2020 by Spanky99

[Olerud363]

Uhmm... I was being serious, if 6 or 7 guys hit better than Grichuk projections, that would be awesome.

 

ETA: 2020 team projections...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=14&lg=all&players=

 

I think people must be underestimating Grichuk's power. Biggio is projected to have an on base percentage 40 points higher, but Grichuk is projected to have a slugging 80 points higher.

 

Grichuk's power advantage (at least in the projections) is really big

[Spanky99]

I think people must be underestimating Grichuk's power. Biggio is projected to have an on base percentage 40 points higher, but Grichuk is projected to have a slugging 80 points higher.

 

Grichuk's power advantage (at least in the projections) is really big

 

Especially moving full time to CF, I agree.

[Deadpool]

Uhmm... I was being serious, if 6 or 7 guys hit better than Grichuk projections, that would be awesome.

 

ETA: 2020 team projections...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamer&team=14&lg=all&players=

 

Why do all these projections have Biggio with an OBP that low? The man has a generational eye at the plate. If Roboumps were a thing, he'd never strike out looking, ever.

[Spanky99]

Why do all these projections have Biggio with an OBP that low? The man has a generational eye at the plate. If Roboumps were a thing, he'd never strike out looking, ever.

 

Yeah, there's flaws in these projections getting spit out by a computer, it is what it is. Steamer is the best projection system in the sport though, imo. You'd likely have to go to their website and ask to get a correct answer. Also, did you seriously get a '73 MGB, if so, that's f***ing cool?

[Deadpool]

Yeah, there's flaws in these projections getting spit out by a computer, it is what it is. Steamer is the best projection system in the sport though, imo. You'd likely have to go to their website and ask to get a correct answer. Also, did you seriously get a '73 MGB, if so, that's f***ing cool?

 

Yep, it is a red convertible, and it needs a lot of work, but I got it. MGs were my favourite car when I was a kid, so I'm pretty stoked about it. Go midlife crisis mobile!

[Laika]

Why do all these projections have Biggio with an OBP that low? The man has a generational eye at the plate. If Roboumps were a thing, he'd never strike out looking, ever.

 

They have his walk rate in the elite range, they just don't think he'll hit for average, which is pretty fair.

[Deadpool]

They have his walk rate in the elite range, they just don't think he'll hit for average, which is pretty fair.

 

They don't believe in the power. If they projected more power, his AVG and OBP would go up. He doesn't have amazing statcast numbers on flyballs or exit velocity in general so there's some concern there, maybe.

 

I'd put money on Biggio beating his projections, particularly his OBP projections. I think he's got 15-20 homer power (when he connects man, it's beautiful) but his eye is one of the best I've ever seen. I think he's a .270/.390/.430 kinda bat, mostly because I believe that he doesn't swing at bad pitches, ever. I don't see an .800+ OPS as being a stretch at all for him.

[Laika]

I'd put money on Biggio beating his projections, particularly his OBP projections. I think he's got 15-20 homer power (when he connects man, it's beautiful) but his eye is one of the best I've ever seen. I think he's a .270/.390/.430 kinda bat, mostly because I believe that he doesn't swing at bad pitches, ever. I don't see an .800+ OPS as being a stretch at all for him.

 

That's a .160 ISO. So you think he'll hit for less power than he did in his rookie season? Seems dumb.

 

.240/.350/.420 is what to reasonably expect, and that's a solid player particularly as he's a guy who does the little things well.

 

Offensively he's more Carlos Santana than Adam Eaton.

[Carlos Danger]

They have his walk rate in the elite range, they just don't think he'll hit for average, which is pretty fair.

 

The majority of Biggio's Ks were called strikes not swinging. The theory is that that has to do with adjusting to MLB, the Umps pitchers who can paint corners. I think he will adapt and have a decent average also. *Yes I have him in Fantasy

[Laika]

The majority of Biggio's Ks were called strikes not swinging. The theory is that that has to do with adjusting to MLB, the Umps pitchers who can paint corners. I think he will adapt and have a decent average also. *Yes I have him in Fantasy

 

He hit like .230 and .250 in Dunedin and New Hampshire, with normal BABIPs. A strong average is just not going to be part of his game, unless he completely changes his offensive approach, which would be f***ing retarded because what he does works and batting average is dumb s*** so who geefs a fock if he hits .230 as long as he gets on base and dings some dongs?

 

Get over it, children.

[P2F]

He hit like .230 and .250 in Dunedin and New Hampshire, with normal BABIPs. A strong average is just not going to be part of his game, unless he completely changes his offensive approach, which would be f***ing retarded because what he does works and batting average is dumb s*** so who geefs a fock if he hits .230 as long as he gets on base and dings some dongs?

 

Get over it, children.

 

I thanked this post for 'dings some dongs'.

[max silver]

He hit like .230 and .250 in Dunedin and New Hampshire, with normal BABIPs. A strong average is just not going to be part of his game, unless he completely changes his offensive approach, which would be f***ing retarded because what he does works and batting average is dumb s*** so who geefs a fock if he hits .230 as long as he gets on base and dings some dongs?

 

Get over it, children.

 

I recall Cavan indeed altered his approach towards the end of the season at the behest of the coaching staff, and he subsequently ended the season on a real heater. I recall it being said that Cavan was urged to be more aggressive swinging at pitches in the strike zone that he could reasonably hit hard, and it seemingly worked out swimmingly for him. A cursory glance at his splits shows a .426 BABIP for the month which he certainly won't be able to replicate, but the 160 WRC+ was a nice reward for Cavan and his altered more aggressive approach.

[Boxcar]

I'd put money on Biggio beating his projections, particularly his OBP projections. I think he's got 15-20 homer power (when he connects man, it's beautiful) but his eye is one of the best I've ever seen. I think he's a .270/.390/.430 kinda bat, mostly because I believe that he doesn't swing at bad pitches, ever. I don't see an .800+ OPS as being a stretch at all for him.

 

Lol pump the brakes a bit

[jerb]

 

Gregor Chisholm

@GregorChisholm

 

Charlie Montoyo said he wouldn't entirely rule it out -- never say never -- but #BlueJays do not intend to use the opener strategy this season. He likes his set rotation.