Blue Jays have met with reps for Jake Odorizzi and have legit interest

[BTS]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-locked-pitching-bats-also-offer-path-improvement/

 

Meh, it's something to talk about.

[Terminator]

If the velocity uptick is real he could be a nice get compared to some of the guys generally listed above him on FA rankings lists. See 3 year 45 million dollar estimates for him which seems like a nice get compared to the guys ahead of him.

[Laika]

If the velocity uptick is real he could be a nice get compared to some of the guys generally listed above him on FA rankings lists. See 3 year 45 million dollar estimates for him which seems like a nice get compared to the guys ahead of him.

 

Plus the loss of Toronto's 2nd round pick, whatever that is valued at these days. Not the end of the world but Odorizzi isn't exactly the sexiest QO player.

[Terminator]

Plus the loss of Toronto's 2nd round pick, whatever that is valued at these days. Not the end of the world but Odorizzi isn't exactly the sexiest QO player.

 

Forgot about that. Yeah definitely plays a role. I assume a 2nd rounder is worth about $5 mil or less? Still like him.

[glory]

If we are going to lose a pick, and won’t be in on Cole/Strasburg, then Wheeler is the only pitcher I’d be ok with. Not Odorizzi.

[Terminator]

If we are going to lose a pick, and won’t be in on Cole/Strasburg, then Wheeler is the only pitcher I’d be ok with. Not Odorizzi.

 

The pick isn't worth that much. You just need to assign a value to it and lump it in with the money we'd be giving up. It's probably worth about 4 million bucks is all. It's only a 2nd rounder.

 

And Wheeler could end up signing for almost double the total amount of money. Fangraphs estimates 4 years and 72 mil for Wheeler and 3 for 45 for Odorizzi. I'd take either along with a 2 for 20 Kyle Gibson to round out the rotation.

 

Seems like Fangraphs numbers could be low to me though.

[jaysguy44]

Sign me up

[wamco]

I wouldn’t give up pick 40 to make it happen. Gimme 3 of Teheran, Pineda etc

[BTS]

I wouldn’t give up pick 40 to make it happen. Gimme 3 of Teheran, Pineda etc

 

What if you get him for like 3/40 or something?

[Jimcanuck]

Jays can front load the contract of any pitcher, so in year 2 and 3 assuming no injury or suckage will have good trade value

[jaysguy44]

Jays can front load the contract of any pitcher, so in year 2 and 3 assuming no injury or suckage will have good trade value

 

Don't the Jays plan on competing in 2-3 years?

 

Why would they go in with this strategy?

[Jimcanuck]

Don't the Jays plan on competing in 2-3 years?

 

Why would they go in with this strategy?

 

It's not a strategy to trade the guy. It gives the option to trade if say, Thornton, Wolfpack, Pearson, SWR, and some other pitcher make the signed FA somewhat redundant or returns more value to the Jays if traded.

[Key22]

Maybe Jays fans can help me out here but Odirizzi is a puzzling "get" to me (that is if we get him). He is a #3 starter and is hardly a put you into the wild card starter. Granted I get this may be part of other moves but if you are essentially going to pay a lot of money AND trade your number 2 draft pick in a supposedly deep drafting year - when you aren't making the playoffs in 2020 anyway - well I guess I don't get such a move. I mean he isn't really any better than Marcus Stroman and costs more.

 

Why lose a high draft pick just to spend money decreasing financial flexibility and wind up finishing 4th in the division anyway?

[Jimcanuck]

Maybe Jays fans can help me out here but Odirizzi is a puzzling "get" to me (that is if we get him). He is a #3 starter and is hardly a put you into the wild card starter. Granted I get this may be part of other moves but if you are essentially going to pay a lot of money AND trade your number 2 draft pick in a supposedly deep drafting year - when you aren't making the playoffs in 2020 anyway - well I guess I don't get such a move. I mean he isn't really any better than Marcus Stroman and costs more.

 

Why lose a high draft pick just to spend money decreasing financial flexibility and wind up finishing 4th in the division anyway?

 

A few months ago i posted that the Jays would have no choice but to sign FA this offseason, to put a better product on the field. Still believe this to be true. There are two FO business objectives (1) win / make postseason, (2) maintain/increase the fanbase. With the first objective not really realistic in 2020, some moves this offseason will be geared more for the latter objective.

[glory]

The only benefit to a potential Odorizzi signing is that the QO might scare teams off and the Jays could get him at a discounted price. Other than that I just feel like if we're finally going to sign a qualified FA it should be a chance at a home run. Wheeler is a potential home run. Odorizzi just seems really underwhelming when it comes at the cost of a pick and losing international money.

[Jonn]

Yea no thanks. I actually don’t mind him but the compensation is a steep price. What a broken system. Its literally so stupid that you can trap players with the QO tag. A guy like Donaldson is probably not going to get a multi year deal like he desires because nobody will give up term and compensation. So he’s probably going to be back in Atlanta on a one year deal at a little more than the Qualifying offer.

[saskjayfan]

Jays can front load the contract of any pitcher, so in year 2 and 3 assuming no injury or suckage will have good trade value

 

look at you...already looking to flip him..lol. When exactly do you want the Jays to compete 2026? As far as Odorizzi goes, I'm not totally adverse to the idea. If you're willing to give up the pick, which doesn't bother me in the least, you should at least explore the better pitchers first.

[Jimcanuck]

look at you...already looking to flip him..lol. When exactly do you want the Jays to compete 2026? As far as Odorizzi goes, I'm not totally adverse to the idea. If you're willing to give up the pick, which doesn't bother me in the least, you should at least explore the better pitchers first.

 

Nah, front loading simply makes a pitcher a good trade chip in the later years if said pitcher falls down the depth chart. In other words, front loading increases the options available to the team.

 

I don't care for Odorizzi, but it would be an understandable signing from a FO / casual fans perspective.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Jimcanuck

[TheHurl]

Who is Odorizzi's agent anyway? He was with the Shower filming guy

[Boxcar]

look at you...already looking to flip him..lol. When exactly do you want the Jays to compete 2026? As far as Odorizzi goes, I'm not totally adverse to the idea. If you're willing to give up the pick, which doesn't bother me in the least, you should at least explore the better pitchers first.

 

Don't worry, we'll just have more Vlad Guerreros and Bo Bichettes in 6 years and then we can waste their primes too. Winning shouldn't be the objective, it should be building a good farm and then I don't know what else but farms are nice and I like them

[Terminator]

Why is everyone acting like giving up a 2nd rounder is the end of the world? Just tag a value on it (something like 4 mil? probably less to be honest) and bake it in to the contract offer! It's not that big of a deal.

[Chappy]

Why is everyone acting like giving up a 2nd rounder is the end of the world? Just tag a value on it (something like 4 mil? probably less to be honest) and bake it in to the contract offer! It's not that big of a deal.

 

It’s not the end of the world, it’s just nonsensical logic. The team is in a position to take a huge step forward and while Odorizzi is not the sexiest name on the market, he still improves this rotation quite significantly considering what we have. A 3 year deal is a solid bridge and won’t hurt this team financially long term.

[wamco]

What if you get him for like 3/40 or something?

 

Sure. I don’t see that happening though. Someone will go 15 aav though

 

1. I like this teams drafting record so I want pick 40

2. I want the bonus pool money for pick 40 to be creative in draft/signings

3. I want the 500k in international money

4. It won’t surprise me when Some pitchers without draft pick compensation outperform odorizzi. I don’t think he is leaps and bounds ahead of some of the other ones

[Bobthe4th]

Why is everyone acting like giving up a 2nd rounder is the end of the world? Just tag a value on it (something like 4 mil? probably less to be honest) and bake it in to the contract offer! It's not that big of a deal.

 

While it wouldn't be the end of the world, giving up the pick's slot value limits the draft strategy for a team.

 

It's not a coincidence that mid range players who receive a QO often struggle to get what they want in free agency.

[glory]

It’s not the end of the world, it’s just nonsensical logic. The team is in a position to take a huge step forward and while Odorizzi is not the sexiest name on the market, he still improves this rotation quite significantly considering what we have. A 3 year deal is a solid bridge and won’t hurt this team financially long term.

 

How is it nonsensical when qualified players are either not getting good deals in free agency or are waiting until June to sign the past few years?

[Chappy]

How is it nonsensical when qualified players are either not getting good deals in free agency or are waiting until June to sign the past few years?

 

It’s nonsensical when you fail to evaluate the added benefit to the team. We are not looking at replacing any good SP. Odorizzi would be our best SP (assuming nothing else is added) and would be replacing absolute junk. He’s not the bridge to a championship, but he may very well be a solid bridge to get us over the next hump on route to contention.

[glory]

It’s nonsensical when you fail to evaluate the added benefit to the team. We are not looking at replacing any good SP. Odorizzi would be our best SP (assuming nothing else is added) and would be replacing absolute junk. He’s not the bridge to a championship, but he may very well be a solid bridge to get us over the next hump on route to contention.

 

Teams higher on the win curve than the Jays have avoided qualified free agents who could have added more meaningful wins to their teams. The value of a lost pick is significant to practically every team in the league, which is why you’ll see some players either accept the QO or possibly have to re-sign with their teams for less because no other teams want to pony up + lose a pick.

 

Odorizzi would be the team’s best starter by a landslide if he was signed but that doesn’t mean he’s worth losing a pick for. Depends on cost and what else is out there that wouldn’t require a lost pick.

[Abomination]

Why is everyone acting like giving up a 2nd rounder is the end of the world? Just tag a value on it (something like 4 mil? probably less to be honest) and bake it in to the contract offer! It's not that big of a deal.

 

The cost also essentially decreases for each free agent. It's possible we could sign multiple free agents and take advantage of it that way. There's a few guys who could produce some pretty nice surplus value. We could theoretically sign guys like Ozuna, Grandal, Odorizzi, and others.

[Laika]

The cost also essentially decreases for each free agent. It's possible we could sign multiple free agents and take advantage of it that way. There's a few guys who could produce some pretty nice surplus value. We could theoretically sign guys like Ozuna, Grandal, Odorizzi, and others.

 

Yeah I’ve read this angle before. If a team is going to make a dip into the QO FA market, it makes sense to do it rarely but do it hard. Toronto is perfectly positioned to sign multiple QO players this offseason if they want... I’d be shocked, but if they are signing one they might as well try hard to sign another one or two

[wk680]

It’s nonsensical when you fail to evaluate the added benefit to the team. We are not looking at replacing any good SP. Odorizzi would be our best SP (assuming nothing else is added) and would be replacing absolute junk. He’s not the bridge to a championship, but he may very well be a solid bridge to get us over the next hump on route to contention.

 

Yes and in 2021, when the Jays hope to be a contender for a postseason berth, a solid mid-rotation guy like Odorrizi will be of great value. Meanwhile, the 2nd round draft pick player they would forfeit in 2020 draft to get him will, in 2021 be, at most, in A+ level. Eventually you need to sprinkle in some solid vets to take this thing up a notch, and now is the time with starting pitching for this team. f***, I can't believe people are complaining about losing a 2nd round pick to obtain a solid free agent for an area of desperate need.

Edited November 14, 2019 by wk680