Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Jimcanuck]

I don't know if they're available or not, but some guys who might not cost an arm and a leg are

 

Tyler Mahle

Joey Lucchesi

Alex Reyes

Dylan Bundy (cut?)

 

Francis Martes

[Laika]

I thought you were incorrect, apparently not, so he can still end up an Oriole after all.

 

 

https://birdswatcher.com/2019/11/27/baltimore-orioles-updates-dylan-bundy-jonathan-villar-trades/

 

They waived him, you big idiot.

[Ray]

Imagine even thinking about tendering guys like Brandon Drury and Derek Law when some of these other players will be available?

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/2019-non-tender-candidates-mlb-2019.html

 

There's at least 3 relievers I'd rather have than Derek Law on that list.

 

Did anyone else know HOU's payroll stands at $221M right now (including arb estimates)? Very little chance that Sanchez back up on that team, imo.

[Spanky99]

They waived him, you big idiot.

 

Well, according to Feinsand and that article on my google search, says he can still be tendered a contract? I thought Maico was wrong at first. IDK, f*** you...

 

ETA... ahh f***, lol. Man I'm tired.

Edited November 29, 2019 by Spanky99

[glory]

Imagine even thinking about tendering guys like Brandon Drury and Derek Law when some of these other players will be available?

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/2019-non-tender-candidates-mlb-2019.html

 

Seriously, with Profar being a non tender candidate (and all that’s happened with Villar), it’s damn near crazy to tender Drury at this point.

[Jimcanuck]

Seriously, with Profar being a non tender candidate (and all that’s happened with Villar), it’s damn near crazy to tender Drury at this point.

 

Drury a bit different, has an option and $2.5M cost

 

Not advocating keeping him, just that these are case by case decisions

[EZe]

$2.5M can be utilized a lot more effectively elsewhere, in this market imo

[Maico450]

Well, according to Feinsand and that article on my google search, says he can still be tendered a contract? I thought Maico was wrong at first. IDK, f*** you...

 

ETA... ahh f***, lol. Man I'm tired.

 

Yeh, waiving him never did make any sense. Might as well drag the decision out to the deadline and hope for a trade. It would obviously not take much if anything to get him.

[glory]

Another name from that MLBTR non tender list is Travis Shaw. Can play 1B and 3B, coming off a s***** season but two 3+ WAR seasons before that. If he’s available I could see the Jays being a fit.

[glory]

Drury a bit different, has an option and $2.5M cost

 

Not advocating keeping him, just that these are case by case decisions

 

In Drury’s case, having options remaining might be his only strength, and I’m not sure that even matters if it costs $2.5m.

 

I expect the Jays to tender him because they seem to think he is better than he actually is, but with actually good utility players being non tendered/available, I don’t see any reason why a terrible utility player should be a priority to hold on to.

[Brownie19]

Another name from that MLBTR non tender list is Travis Shaw. Can play 1B and 3B, coming off a s***** season but two 3+ WAR seasons before that. If he’s available I could see the Jays being a fit.

 

Absolutely. He crushes RHP and is still only 29. He'd be a nice fit. There's probably a decent chance he's better than Mike Moustakas next year.

[Jimcanuck]

Another name from that MLBTR non tender list is Travis Shaw. Can play 1B and 3B, coming off a s***** season but two 3+ WAR seasons before that. If he’s available I could see the Jays being a fit.

 

BABIP the last 3 seasons, .312, .242, .216

 

Might be a guy a little adjustment away from being a good bit above average again

[Ray]

It'd be nice to add someone on the position player side without a level of volatility attached to them for once. We already have enough of those types on our 40-man.

 

Yeah, you could add Travis Shaw and hope he bounces back

 

.....or just add Mike Moustakas who's pretty much guaranteed to give you at least 2.5 fWAR barring injury and will only cost money, which we have more than enough of.

 

Consistent production is what this team desperately needs more of.

[Barkerfan23]

The hunting for bargains articles are already out from Shatkins lap dogs. Tell me more about jordan Lyles or Pineada

 

This garbage or that. Not going to make a difference. We are losing 90 games unless significants adds are added to this team. Period.

 

Could be those players are already on the team those that will make significant leaps next season. Other than that dont think anything can save Atkins or Shapiro for that matter.

[Barkerfan23]

If the payroll is 70 million why arent we taking about adding two front line pitchers

[TheHurl]

If the payroll is 70 million why arent we taking about adding two front line pitchers

 

Because front line pitchers have a say in the matter too

[jaysblue]

Michael Pineda would be an interesting target as a SP. He was pitching very well with the Twins last season until his suspension. I'm sure his price will be discounted and there's no draft pick attached. There is still some untapped potential in his arm.

 

I would actually rather roll the dice on Pineda over Gibson.

[Grant77]

Michael Pineda would be an interesting target as a SP. He was pitching very well with the Twins last season until his suspension. I'm sure his price will be discounted and there's no draft pick attached. There is still some untapped potential in his arm.

 

I would actually rather roll the dice on Pineda over Gibson.

 

I would as well. I'd be very excited to add Pineda.

[jaysblue]

Blue Jays should sign Michael Pineda. Some other intriguing starters who could be realistic possibilities are Michael Wacha, Tanner Roark, Jordan Lyles, Alex Wood, Trevor Cahill and Jerad Eickhoff. Sign two or three of these guys would definitely help solidify the rotation. Pineda, Wood, Lyles or Wacha offer some upside at least. Roark would be a bulk innings guy which would be valuable to this team. Cahill and Eickhoff more brought in to compete for the final rotation spot or as a swing-man/long reliever in the bullpen.

 

I would say Anderson and Thornton should be locks in the rotation to open up the season, unless they completely implode during ST.

 

Once Pineda returns from his suspension in May, the rotation could look like this:

 

Pineda

Anderson

Roark/Lyles/Wood

Thornton

Cahill/Shoemaker/Waguespack or Font as an opener with one of those guys following him.

 

Kay/Zeuch/Borucki in Buffalo

 

At least in this case, the Blue Jays have some pitching depth and aren't scrambling to find arms for innings.

 

I would even target Danny Salazar for a BP spot or as a reclamation project. Doesn't hurt.

[EZe]

Blue Jays should sign Michael Pineda. Some other intriguing starters who could be realistic possibilities are Michael Wacha, Tanner Roark, Jordan Lyles, Alex Wood, Trevor Cahill and Jerad Eickhoff. Sign two or three of these guys would definitely help solidify the rotation. Pineda, Wood, Lyles or Wacha offer some upside at least. Roark would be a bulk innings guy which would be valuable to this team. Cahill and Eickhoff more brought in to compete for the final rotation spot or as a swing-man/long reliever in the bullpen.

 

I would say Anderson and Thornton should be locks in the rotation to open up the season, unless they completely implode during ST.

 

Once Pineda returns from his suspension in May, the rotation could look like this:

 

Pineda

Anderson

Roark/Lyles/Wood

Thornton

Cahill/Shoemaker/Waguespack or Font as an opener with one of those guys following him.

 

Kay/Zeuch/Borucki in Buffalo

 

At least in this case, the Blue Jays have some pitching depth and aren't scrambling to find arms for innings.

 

I would even target Danny Salazar for a BP spot or as a reclamation project. Doesn't hurt.

 

Roark is an innings eater and Wood is on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think he's the most talented 6 man in MLB until he shows he can stay on the field.

[Grant77]

Blue Jays should sign Michael Pineda. Some other intriguing starters who could be realistic possibilities are Michael Wacha, Tanner Roark, Jordan Lyles, Alex Wood, Trevor Cahill and Jerad Eickhoff. Sign two or three of these guys would definitely help solidify the rotation. Pineda, Wood, Lyles or Wacha offer some upside at least. Roark would be a bulk innings guy which would be valuable to this team. Cahill and Eickhoff more brought in to compete for the final rotation spot or as a swing-man/long reliever in the bullpen.

 

I would say Anderson and Thornton should be locks in the rotation to open up the season, unless they completely implode during ST.

 

Once Pineda returns from his suspension in May, the rotation could look like this:

 

Pineda

Anderson

Roark/Lyles/Wood

Thornton

Cahill/Shoemaker/Waguespack or Font as an opener with one of those guys following him.

 

Kay/Zeuch/Borucki in Buffalo

 

At least in this case, the Blue Jays have some pitching depth and aren't scrambling to find arms for innings.

 

I would even target Danny Salazar for a BP spot or as a reclamation project. Doesn't hurt.

 

I like the names you mentioned, but would certainly try to get one of the top guys like Ryu or Wheeler. We have the salary space and I strongly believe that we need to spend it on pitching to get something like this:

 

Wheeler

Pineda

Anderson

Thornton

Shoemaker (or any of the guys you brought up)

 

That probably costs you 30 million per season and leaves space to address some position player holes without going too crazy. That rotation sets up a probable winning season and sets a good foundation for our young players. I don't think we have to go after Cole or anything, but another year of journeymen and reclamation projects will be counterproductive to our goals. We need to add free agents with upside that can be part of a Championship team.

[Bobthe4th]

I like the names you mentioned, but would certainly try to get one of the top guys like Ryu or Wheeler. We have the salary space and I strongly believe that we need to spend it on pitching to get something like this:

 

Wheeler

Pineda

Anderson

Thornton

Shoemaker (or any of the guys you brought up)

 

That probably costs you 30 million per season and leaves space to address some position player holes without going too crazy. That rotation sets up a probable winning season and sets a good foundation for our young players. I don't think we have to go after Cole or anything, but another year of journeymen and reclamation projects will be counterproductive to our goals. We need to add free agents with upside that can be part of a Championship team.

 

To get Wheeler to come here we'd have to offer him offer over $20m AAV plus he got a QO. It's not happening.

 

That rotation isn't getting us into the playoffs without significant additions to the outfield and bench (our current infield cover of Drury, Urena and Valera is one of the worst in baseball), keeping Giles, and most of the kids having good to great seasons.

[Bobthe4th]

Pineda is more realistic and I could see us being in on him.

 

Even if not though our rotation is going to look very different in a year anyway. From Pearson, Kay, Merryweather, Borucki, Waguespack, Perez, Diaz etc we could end up with a comparible rotation for free.

 

TBF we'll probably need to add a top end starter at some point anyway, but I disagree that we have to do it right now. There are so many unknowns about the current squad, but we have a bright future. Any of the significant gaps that can be addressed internally gives us a chance to really go crazy on one or two free agents when it's putting us over the edge from good to elite (hello Mookie Betts!)

[Jimcanuck]

Pineda is more realistic and I could see us being in on him.

 

Even if not though our rotation is going to look very different in a year anyway. From Pearson, Kay, Merryweather, Borucki, Waguespack, Perez, Diaz etc we could end up with a comparible rotation for free.

 

TBF we'll probably need to add a top end starter at some point anyway, but I disagree that we have to do it right now. There are so many unknowns about the current squad, but we have a bright future. Any of the significant gaps that can be addressed internally gives us a chance to really go crazy on one or two free agents when it's putting us over the edge from good to elite (hello Mookie Betts!)

 

Generally agree with this. This year's off season moves should be just to (hopefully) have a better season than the last, get the casuals thinking the Jays are moving in the right direction.

 

Continuing the focus on player development instead of spending $$$ on free agents maintains salary room to extend JGJ, BB, CB, etc when the time is appropriate.

[Grant77]

To get Wheeler to come here we'd have to offer him offer over $20m AAV plus he got a QO. It's not happening.

 

That rotation isn't getting us into the playoffs without significant additions to the outfield and bench (our current infield cover of Drury, Urena and Valera is one of the worst in baseball), keeping Giles, and most of the kids having good to great seasons.

 

Wheeler has put up back to back 4 WAR seasons and his velocity is trending up. If 20 million is the price then you pay it. Continuing to have losing seasons with our young core will do nothing to help us. It will both hurt their development and sour them on the idea of resigning here.

[Bobthe4th]

Wheeler has put up back to back 4 WAR seasons and his velocity is trending up. If 20 million is the price then you pay it. Continuing to have losing seasons with our young core will do nothing to help us. It will both hurt their development and sour them on the idea of resigning here.

 

Which is exactly why it’ll take over $20m AAV to get him to come here - he’ll get $20m (or close to) offers from better, more attractive destinations.

 

Besides, Wheeler on his own does not equal an over .500 team this season for us.

[Bobthe4th]

There is so much short term thinking on this board. Everything from we suck right now so we’re automatically going to suck for years, to we suck right now so we have to spend, spend, spend to fix it immediately.

 

I don’t think we are far away from competing, but we’re not there yet. A lot of our current weaknesses could be fixed internally by this time next year. None are guarantees though, and IMO there are too many to fix right now in one offseason. I think we’ll be around a .500 team this year and be in a really solid position in the 2020/21 offseason.

[Bobthe4th]

If things go reasonably well this year, following up by adding a top of the rotation starter and a CF could make us really competitive for 2021 onwards.

 

The most important success indicators for this year IMO - Vlad becoming a superstar (+ ideally sticking at 3B), Pearson cracking the rotation, clarity on which starters are going to stick, clarity on how many new outfielders we need, and clarity on whether any of the lesser players can improve enough to contribute long term (e.g. Tellez, Hernandez, Fisher).

[Laika]

... to we suck right now so we have to spend, spend, spend to fix it immediately.

 

Said nobody on here, ever.

[Jimcanuck]

Said nobody on here, ever.

 

Uh, there's been more than a few advocating signing a bunch of free agents in an effort to contend in 2020.