Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Spanky99]

You're right, although that changes nothing.

 

You've never ... You're right.

[Spanky99]

Smart... make it right y'all.

[glory]

Taijaun Walker would be an interesting signing. Had TJS in April 2018 so he should be ready to begin the season in 2020 (24 months post surgery by then). Only 27. Shaw is another potential target. He would have 2 years of control (he was arb2) even if he's signed to a one year deal, plus has the versatility that Atkins claimed he wanted out of first base.

[Barkerfan23]

It makes sense once you realize how incompetant the Jay's front office is.

[TheHurl]

How fickle is this game. From the non Tender list taking their best season from 2017/2018

 

RP - Treinen 3.6

SP - Walker 2.5

SP - Gausman 2.6

SP - Sanchez 0.8

1B - Cron 2.2

2B - Hernandez 3.3

SS - Russell 1.5

3B - Franco 1.1

DH - Beckham 3.4

UT - Peraza - 2.6

LF - Santana - 3.3

CF - Pillar 2.0

RF - Souza 3.8

 

Total fWAR 32.7. Better than half the teams last season.

[glory]

Might be time to cut service time to 5 years and make a player arb eligible after year 2. Being arb3 is pretty much a bad thing now unless you're really good. Being good/average (1-2 WAR) is not good enough anymore.

[Laika]

Might be time to cut service time to 5 years and make a player arb eligible after year 2. Being arb3 is pretty much a bad thing now unless you're really good. Being good/average (1-2 WAR) is not good enough anymore.

 

That doesn’t solve anything. Teams just don’t value below average players as much - they don’t think of $/WAR as linear anymore.

[glory]

[saskjayfan]

Arbitration salaries aren’t guaranteed:

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/non-guaranteed-contract

 

clearly we didn't have this conversation last year..lol. I stand corrected. As long as we sever ties with Drury before the first day of the season, his salary is not guaranteed. There's still hope.

[RobinThicc]

Why cant they admit Drury is f***ing terrible?

[Dick_Pole]

How fickle is this game. From the non Tender list taking their best season from 2017/2018

 

RP - Treinen 3.6

SP - Walker 2.5

SP - Gausman 2.6

SP - Sanchez 0.8

1B - Cron 2.2

2B - Hernandez 3.3

SS - Russell 1.5

3B - Franco 1.1

DH - Beckham 3.4

UT - Peraza - 2.6

LF - Santana - 3.3

CF - Pillar 2.0

RF - Souza 3.8

 

Total fWAR 32.7. Better than half the teams last season.

 

Baseball might be due for an expansion team or two. As well as stop rewarding teams so much for sucking (draft lottery).

[Grant77]

I said a month ago that they would tender Drury and got crucified for it. I love his defense and versatility, but they see more potential in the bat than I do.

[Carlos Danger]

How fickle is this game. From the non Tender list taking their best season from 2017/2018

 

RP - Treinen 3.6

SP - Walker 2.5

SP - Gausman 2.6

SP - Sanchez 0.8

1B - Cron 2.2

2B - Hernandez 3.3

SS - Russell 1.5

3B - Franco 1.1

DH - Beckham 3.4

UT - Peraza - 2.6

LF - Santana - 3.3

CF - Pillar 2.0

RF - Souza 3.8

 

Total fWAR 32.7. Better than half the teams last season.

 

Interesting and you are exactly right.. However all it really does is point out how irrelevant those WAR numbers are when assessing players for future performance combined with age.

[Laika]

I said a month ago that they would tender Drury and got crucified for it. I love his defense and versatility, but they see more potential in the bat than I do.

 

Grant is Jesus

[BTS]

I said a month ago that they would tender Drury and got crucified for it. I love his defense and versatility, but they see more potential in the bat than I do.

 

I don’t remember many people saying they thought he’d be non-tendered. Just that they thought he should be.

[Laika]

I don’t remember many people saying they thought he’d be non-tendered. Just that they thought he should be.

 

BTS, he was crucified though. Crucified like our lord. #LUP

[TheHurl]

Baseball might be due for an expansion team or two. As well as stop rewarding teams so much for sucking (draft lottery).

 

I think it's a great time for expansion...probably part of the next CBA discussion. I love lotteries, not 100% sure it will be their priority though.

[Ray]

CJ Cron vs. lefties in 2019 (143 PA): .326/.385/.636, 11 HR

 

Could be a cheap platoon option for 1B.

[TheHurl]

Gausman's projected arbitration was $10.8M. What would you offer him? I'd give him 2 years $15 with a couple mutual options.

[glory]

I'd look to sign both Gausman and Walker.

[Abomination]

Gausman's projected arbitration was $10.8M. What would you offer him? I'd give him 2 years $15 with a couple mutual options.

 

I'd be fine with that.

[Ray]

After the non-tender deadline, the Blue Jays have the 2nd lowest committed payroll in all of baseball ($69.3 million) behind only the Marlins ($65 million). Lower than the Rays ($70M), Pirates ($71M), Orioles ($80M), and Royals ($85M).

[Laika]

Gausman's projected arbitration was $10.8M. What would you offer him? I'd give him 2 years $15 with a couple mutual options.

 

Sounds fine to me but I bet his camp will just want a one year deal so he can try to be good and cash in next year.

[Laika]

I'd look to sign both Gausman and Walker.

 

Both are obvious targets and make sense in a nutshell but the question would be, is it enough? Gausman might project to be close to an average SP and Walker can't be relied on for anything. It's not exactly the inspiring, culture altering top of the rotation infusion that people want. The Blue Jays probably have enough SP depth they are just missing the 1 and the 2.

[Barkerfan23]

After the non-tender deadline, the Blue Jays have the 2nd lowest committed payroll in all of baseball ($69.3 million) behind only the Marlins ($65 million). Lower than the Rays ($70M), Pirates ($71M), Orioles ($80M), and Royals ($85M).

 

Roger's media is going to make some money in 2020

[glory]

Both are obvious targets and make sense in a nutshell but the question would be, is it enough? Gausman might project to be close to an average SP and Walker can't be relied on for anything. It's not exactly the inspiring, culture altering top of the rotation infusion that people want. The Blue Jays probably have enough SP depth they are just missing the 1 and the 2.

 

Ideally you get those two plus one of the FA arms that have been discussed before (Keuchel, Pineda, etc), but I can see why both might be overkill. Gausman isn't a difference maker and Walker hasn't pitched in 2 years, so there is a lot of uncertainty there to add to the injury risks associated with Shoemaker/Borucki. Gausman might make more sense for that reason (more likely to eat up better than league average innings and previous success in the AL East) than Walker, though Gausman's market might be busier for that reason as well, so Walker is probably a more likely/realistic sign.

[Laika]

Ideally you get those two plus one of the FA arms that have been discussed before (Keuchel, Pineda, etc), but I can see why both might be overkill. Gausman isn't a difference maker and Walker hasn't pitched in 2 years, so there is a lot of uncertainty there to add to the injury risks associated with Shoemaker/Borucki. Gausman might make more sense for that reason (more likely to eat up better than league average innings and previous success in the AL East) than Walker, though Gausman's market might be busier for that reason as well, so Walker is probably a more likely/realistic sign.

 

Honestly, upon reflection Walker and Gausman kind of just slide in with Shoemaker, Anderson, and Thornton as inconsistent or unreliable rotation filler with some upside. Gausman is slightly better than the other names and both Walker and Gausman probably have more ultimate upside than the other three, but that would be a rotation with zero #1 or #2 starters, arguably no #3 starters, no horses, and everybody liable to either put up an ERA over 5.00 or barely pitch.

 

If Gausman is part of the solution then I think that solution also needs to include a better and more reliable pitcher in front of him. Keuchel, Ryu, Wheeler. Pineda doesn't fit that bill for me even though I like him as a target. A one year veteran like Hamels could fit the role.

 

I mean I'll take anything, don't get me wrong. If Gausman and Wade Miley is all the front office can pull off, then that's an improvement I guess but I don't think it would exactly accomplish what the team should have a mind to accomplish this offseason.

 

I assume Gausman just wants a one year deal. If Walker needs to rehab for half of the season and will sign a two year deal then that's a different thing altogether.

[Pendleton]

Looking at the numbers Gausman put up as a reliever last year (albeit SSS), I can't help but wonder if he's someone you could try and reinvent as either a late innings guy or opener.

[Slade]

[BTS]

I have no interest in Wheeler at that price. He has a long history of arm issues, and is running like a 3.9 xFIP pitching in the NL over the last two years. I think the most likely outcome is that you pay 100M for 5 years of a 3-win starter who is rarely healthy enough to provide 3 wins of value.