Aaron Sanchez and Biagini Traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[Spanky99]

I don't get all the Chicken Little sky is falling reactions, I'm a fan of picking up Fisher here, don't think they had to add Stevenson, but I still like to see what Fisher has, he's been blocked because of the Stros' depth, this is exactly the type of return you'd expect for giving up the Beeg and Sanchize, our OF has been pretty damn s***.

[Boxcar]

I don't get all the Chicken Little sky is falling reactions, I'm a fan of picking up Fisher here, don't think they had to add Stevenson, but I still like to see what Fisher has, he's been blocked because of the Stros' depth, this is exactly the type of return you'd expect for giving up the Beeg and Sanchize, our OF has been pretty damn s***.

 

I disagree, I think Fisher is a far better return than you'd expect tbh.

 

Things that I am laughing at in this thread:

 

1. "Houston is going to turn Sanchez into an ace"

2. "I would have preferred to 'try' Sanchez in the BP even though he's already had a chance to suck dicks there because there's a good chance the worst starter in baseball would be a good reliever for some reason"

3. General overrating of Stevenson

4. Derek Fisher = Teoscar Hernandez

 

You guys are idiots. The Stroman trade was underwhelming but I don't know what you could have possibly expected for the worst SP in baseball, a meh reliever and maybe 15-20 org prospect.

[Spanky99]

I disagree, I think Fisher is a far better return than you'd expect tbh.

 

Things that I am laughing at in this thread:

 

1. "Houston is going to turn Sanchez into an ace"

2. "I would have preferred to 'try' Sanchez in the BP even though he's already had a chance to suck dicks there because there's a good chance the worst starter in baseball would be a good reliever for some reason"

3. General overrating of Stevenson

4. Derek Fisher = Teoscar Hernandez

 

You guys are idiots. The Stroman trade was underwhelming but I don't know what you could have possibly expected for the worst SP in baseball, a meh reliever and maybe 15-20 org prospect.

 

Um... I just said I like Fisher, why am I an idiot? I like the return, ya dingleberry.

[Jonn]

Derek Fisher > Clint Frazier

 

quote this, cowards

 

Quoted. Red Thunder is going to be star once he finally gets free to express himself and be far away from the Yankees.

[Frag]

I disagree, I think Fisher is a far better return than you'd expect tbh.

 

Things that I am laughing at in this thread:

 

1. "Houston is going to turn Sanchez into an ace"

2. "I would have preferred to 'try' Sanchez in the BP even though he's already had a chance to suck dicks there because there's a good chance the worst starter in baseball would be a good reliever for some reason"

3. General overrating of Stevenson

4. Derek Fisher = Teoscar Hernandez

 

You guys are idiots. The Stroman trade was underwhelming but I don't know what you could have possibly expected for the worst SP in baseball, a meh reliever and maybe 15-20 org prospect.

 

What is Derek Fisher's upside in your mind?

[Ray]

What is Derek Fisher's upside in your mind?

 

Justin Upton

[Dick_Pole]

The trade in itself is not THAT bad. It's the Jays handling of Sanchez to this point to lead to this. Beta male Atkins can't stand up to alpha Boras and lets Sanchez stink it up in the rotation instead of maxing out his value in the pen.

 

Biagini is not worthless, he's put up good K numbers in the pen and now that the Astros have him, we can see if he's actually better than Stroman now.

 

Both teams have a chance to be a winner with this trade giving players that were going nowhere in their current orgs new life, but I like Houston's upside a lot more than the Jays' upside.

[Ray]

The trade in itself is not THAT bad. It's the Jays handling of Sanchez to this point to lead to this. Beta male Atkins can't stand up to alpha Boras and lets Sanchez stink it up in the rotation instead of maxing out his value in the pen.

 

Biagini is not worthless, he's put up good K numbers in the pen and now that the Astros have him, we can see if he's actually better than Stroman now.

 

Both teams have a chance to be a winner with this trade giving players that were going nowhere in their current orgs new life, but I like Houston's upside a lot more than the Jays' upside.

 

As another poster said, Biagini may hold some value, but he’s also as fungible as relievers can get.

 

Aaron Sanchez is a ticking time bomb every time he throws a pitch with his blister issues.

 

I am quite sad to see Cal Stevenson go though. I think there was something interesting there, but if Derek Fisher ends up being what they think he’s going to be, I can live with it.

[Boxcar]

What is Derek Fisher's upside in your mind?

 

If he makes the necessary improvements, he has the tools to be a star. Whether he does or not is yet to be seen.

[Boxcar]

Justin Upton

 

Lol actually might not be far off

[Ray]

I can quite easily see Fisher putting up 115 wRC+ during a full season and playing average to above defense.

 

That’s what, a 2WAR OF? That’ll actually go along way into solidifying our OF. Assuming Grichuk gets back on track, I’m feeling a little more comfortable with our OF situation.

[Boxcar]

I can quite easily see Fisher putting up 115 wRC+ during a full season and playing average to above defense.

 

That’s what, a 2WAR OF? That’ll actually go along way into solidifying our OF. Assuming Grichuk gets back on track, I’m feeling a little more comfortable with our OF situation.

 

He could add a bunch of value on the bases, too.

[Brownie19]

Cal Stevenson's ISO is <.100

 

He was interesting to follow, but why are we still talking about him? Soon to be 23 year old guys without power don't walk or produce once they reach AA/AAA.

[flafson]

Kinda feel bamboozled by this trade, as mentioned by other people before, it would make more sense for the same trade if you remove Sanchez.

[Krylian]

Sanchez could very well have been non tendered this offseason anyway. I think you guys think Sanchez had more value than he actually did.

[glory]

I think Sanchez for Fisher straight up was probably a fair trade for both teams. Fisher has some upside but he will be 26 and out of options after the season. He shouldn’t have had much value. Now if you want to argue that Sanchez sucks and didn’t have value either, then that’s fine, but Biagini is still a useful if not fungible piece with control. So Sanchez + Biagini is probably fair if Sanchez alone was not enough. I just don’t understand why the Jays needed to add a prospect on top of that. The same people who were jizzing for Stevenson in the minor league thread are now trying to downplay him. He might end up being nothing but did he really need to be added on?

 

Ultimately it’s a deal that likely has more upside for the Astros, but if the Jays can fix Fisher then they have the control advantage.

[Grant77]

Sanchez could very well have been non tendered this offseason anyway. I think you guys think Sanchez had more value than he actually did.

 

Houston isn't even considering that and neither were we.

[Krylian]

Houston isn't even considering that and neither were we.

 

Perhaps not. But he's still had 3 s*** seasons in a row. His value is ass.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

We have Alford, though. Is Fisher > Alford? Is Alford a lost cause at this point? We have Grichuk and I presume Gurriel Jr in the OF long term. We two more positions. Do you guys think Hernandez can stick? He's playing better in CF to be sure.

 

With the emergence of Gurriel Jr., I just don't see the need. Unless he truly has Upton upside.

 

Maybe Hernandez is AAAA calibre and doesn't fit in long term. Dunno.

[Krylian]

We have Alford, though. Is Fisher > Alford? Is Alford a lost cause at this point? We have Grichuk and I presume Gurriel Jr in the OF long term. We two more positions. Do you guys think Hernandez can stick? He's playing better in CF to be sure.

 

With the emergence of Gurriel Jr., I just don't see the need. Unless he truly has Upton upside.

 

Maybe Hernandez is AAAA calibre and doesn't fit in long term. Dunno.

 

It's all about auditions right now. Alford, Teoscar, Fisher, McKinney...they may all be terrible, but basically the first one to perform consistently wins a spot. If two figure it out and show that they're legit building blocks then Grichuk becomes expendable (assuming he remains terrible). There are no sure things in this outfield...even Gurriel could come crashing down to earth and be a suspect again.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

It's all about auditions right now. Alford, Teoscar, Fisher, McKinney...they may all be terrible, but basically the first one to perform consistently wins a spot. If two figure it out and show that they're legit building blocks then Grichuk becomes expendable (assuming he remains terrible). There are no sure things in this outfield...even Gurriel could come crashing down to earth and be a suspect again.

 

Man, not the way he is playing defense in LF. He is looking outstanding out there. Although I have no idea what is FWAR on defense is at the moment...

 

McKinney to me is a total non-factor. And of course he just hits a 2-run smash lol

[Slade]

It's all about auditions right now. Alford, Teoscar, Fisher, McKinney...they may all be terrible, but basically the first one to perform consistently wins a spot. If two figure it out and show that they're legit building blocks then Grichuk becomes expendable (assuming he remains terrible). There are no sure things in this outfield...even Gurriel could come crashing down to earth and be a suspect again.

 

Good luck with the s*** tier contract they gave him for no reason.

[Krylian]

Good luck with the s*** tier contract they gave him for no reason.

 

It was a stupid contract. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[THANOS]

Not sure this has been posted yet, but this could explain Atkins' love for Fisher. I like what I read.

 

https://maxssportingstudio.com/2019/08/01/fishing-for-the-most-underrated-prospect-dealt-at-the-deadline/

[Stangstag]

Not sure this has been posted yet, but this could explain Atkins' love for Fisher. I like what I read.

 

https://maxssportingstudio.com/2019/08/01/fishing-for-the-most-underrated-prospect-dealt-at-the-deadline/

 

Interesting read

[Abomination]

Huh, apparently Sanchez is actually starting for HOU for the time being. Not what I expected.

[5ToolPhenom]

Quoted. Red Thunder is going to be star once he finally gets free to express himself and be far away from the Yankees.

 

Yeah, I'm a fan of Frazier, I was hoping he'd be a piece coming back for Stro. Frazier really hasn't had much regular playing time and has definitely shown some glimpses of what he could become.

[flafson]

Not sure this has been posted yet, but this could explain Atkins' love for Fisher. I like what I read.

 

https://maxssportingstudio.com/2019/08/01/fishing-for-the-most-underrated-prospect-dealt-at-the-deadline/

 

It does make me feel a little bit better about this trade, before that it felt like a punch to the gut.

[Krylian]

As much as some are disappointed at Sanchez getting moved now (selling low), I think we're also buying low on Fisher. It goes both ways.

[PhillyBlueJay]

Interesting read

 

Very good read, just sandwich him between Bo's ability to hit and get on base and Vlad's ability to hit bombs and be a true slugging threat...

 

Teams will be nervous with Bo getting on base and fear Vlad will hurt them so he should see a lot of fast balls early in the count... Reminds me of the same situation with Carlos Delgado and Vernon Wells hitting in front of him. Vernon Wells had a career monster year hitting in front of Carlos Delgado and the Jays brass sign him to a 7-year contract and Delgado leaves via free agency and Vernon Wells comes back down to earth the next year...

 

Just sandwich him between Bo and Vlad and be willing to bite the bullet for a year. If he is going to breakout he will do it in 5-6 months or NOT, but that is what it is going to take, not batting him 7-8-9 hoping he slowly starts to hit MLB pitching. AND....send him to the Arizona Fall league this fall and have Jays get him hitting with a launch angle type of swing with coaching prior to the AFL starting!!!

 

BOOM or BUST and we will know in one year.... Atkins will either lose his GM job in 2020 or look like a f***ing genius!!!