Stroman to the... METS!?

[Ex Player]

I have to wonder if Atkins didnt trade Stro to the non-contending Mets on purpose, just to get under his skin.

According to this article he and Stro didnt exactly get along:

 

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2019/07/28/theres-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around-after-stroman-and-blue-jays-finalize-divorce.html

[Frag]

[saskjayfan]

Marcus Stroman is a top ___ starting pitcher. Fill in the blank for me please.

 

he's a top 100 starting pitcher...there you happy.

[Frag]

Found this, too.

[Boxcar]

What?

 

This is pretty dumb.

 

Bob is a bottom tier poster so this is pretty par for the course.

[Brownie19]

 

Well Hurl said he would have been a top 10 pick in the draft this year. Most of us are really used to trading vets for draft picks during a rebuild. Stroman for Kay and a top 10 draft pick doesn't sound so bad

 

Honestly though - most of us are upset because we didn't get someone ranked in the top 50 of some website's top 100 list. Those lists and the valuation of prospects can change rapidly (see Pearson, Nate).

[BTS]

Well Hurl said he would have been a top 10 pick in the draft this year. Most of us are really used to trading vets for draft picks during a rebuild. Stroman for Kay and a top 10 draft pick doesn't sound so bad

 

Honestly though - most of us are upset because we didn't get someone ranked in the top 50 of some website's top 100 list. Those lists and the valuation of prospects can change rapidly (see Pearson, Nate).

 

I'm upset that they didn't get someone who swings a bat.

[King]

I have to wonder if Atkins didnt trade Stro to the non-contending Mets on purpose, just to get under his skin.

According to this article he and Stro didnt exactly get along:

 

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2019/07/28/theres-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around-after-stroman-and-blue-jays-finalize-divorce.html

Holy f*** that's a lot of baggage.

 

People still think he was re-signing after this? I think that the Jays have handled this the best they could. This was absolutely the time to trade him as his value is only going to go down as he gets closer to free agency. You could argue that maybe they could have gotten more, but Woody is really good.

 

Also: f*** Marcus Stroman.

[King]

I said f*** MARCUS STROMAN

[Terminator]

I said f*** MARCUS STROMAN

 

Only a nerd would take Atkins' side over Stroman's.

[King]

f*** Stroman and the stool that he stands on.

 

Guy is a f***ing clown. I hope he enjoys his time on the s*** show of a team that is the Mets.

[Ex Player]

Holy f*** that's a lot of baggage

Yeah, the part where he told Atkins to leave the room wasnt very smart (assuming thats what really happened). Also another rumor I heard on radio today was Yankees didnt want Stro for that exact reason, too much attitude in the dressing room.

 

Its too bad cause I kinda liked him as a pitcher

[saskjayfan]

Holy f*** that's a lot of baggage.

 

People still think he was re-signing after this? I think that the Jays have handled this the best they could. This was absolutely the time to trade him as his value is only going to go down as he gets closer to free agency. You could argue that maybe they could have gotten more, but Woody is really good.

 

Also: f*** Marcus Stroman.

 

As a GM you manage players personalities. Some are easy as pie, others are like pulling teeth out. It's pretty clear that Marcus stroman is a baby, so why go through arbitration twice over a few hundred thousand dollars. Some have the ability to smooth things out after highly contested events like this, others get kicked out of the f***ing room and they are suppose to be the boss. Say what you want about Atkins, but he doesn't scream most charismatic guy in the room.

[King]

As a GM you manage players personalities. Some are easy as pie, others are like pulling teeth out. It's pretty clear that Marcus stroman is a baby, so why go through arbitration twice over a few hundred thousand dollars. Some have the ability to smooth things out after highly contested events like this, others get kicked out of the f***ing room and they are suppose to be the boss. Say what you want about Atkins, but he doesn't scream most charismatic guy in the room.

That seems like a Stroman problem, not an Atkins problem.

[BTS]

According to multiple sources familiar with the incident, Stroman was prepared to meet with manager John Gibbons and pitching coach Pete Walker, but not general manager Ross Atkins, who he asked to leave the room while using some rather colourful language. Conversation between the two has been spotty at best ever since.

 

Holy f***, Stroman asking his boss' boss to leave the room during a meeting. Mark Shapiro seems to have pretty pendulous balls, and I have no idea how he lets a beta of this magnitude run his baseball team.

 

I also don't really believe that Stroman was ever made a reasonable contract offer.

[saskjayfan]

Only a nerd would take Atkins' side over Stroman's.

 

Revenge of the Nerds part 4....we'll get em in 2024.

[Jimcanuck]

As a GM you manage players personalities. Some are easy as pie, others are like pulling teeth out. It's pretty clear that Marcus stroman is a baby, so why go through arbitration twice over a few hundred thousand dollars. Some have the ability to smooth things out after highly contested events like this, others get kicked out of the f***ing room and they are suppose to be the boss. Say what you want about Atkins, but he doesn't scream most charismatic guy in the room.

 

Stroman was a douchebag when AA was GM, also

[Terminator]

Holy f***, Stroman asking his boss' boss to leave the room during a meeting. Mark Shapiro seems to have pretty pendulous balls, and I have no idea how he lets a beta of this magnitude run his baseball team.

 

I also don't really believe that Stroman was ever made a reasonable contract offer.

 

That story is f***ing hilarious. No balls is right lol

[Ex Player]

Damien Cox on Atkins: https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2019/07/29/time-for-blue-jays-to-trade-in-atkins-if-the-stroman-deal-doesnt-pay-off.html

[Brownie19]

If guys fitting this kind of mold aren't, then they're the new market inefficiency we need to be targeting. I'd take a rotation full of Stromans and Sonny Grays all day long.

 

Agreed...it's a pretty awesome trade environment for a young team built around positional prospects, who, in a couple of years (when we optimize our win curve), may need to acquire a couple of starting pitchers to compete.

 

I'm a bit confused on why people are so surprised. I think in general - teams value prospects higher than they ever have before. Contending teams seem to be able to acquire proven ML talent cheaper than ever before....whether thru trade or through free agency. I know it's super frustrating to be a couple of years away from contending, but when the new 'core' is ready, it's easier than ever to go out and fill holes with quality players. In the meantime, we build up the farm system so we have the currency to take advantage of the weak market (let's just hope the weak market continues!)

[Terminator]

 

Stroman has been balling since he was a kid in the 90s. He was on game shows winning prizes from Summer Sanders.

 

Atkins was probably playing Dungeons and Dragons in his mom's basement.

[Abomination]

dude....your sentences include:

 

"I think what happened"

 

"They probably offered"

 

"I think we got"

 

"we definitely didn't get fair market"

 

"other GMs in on Giles will probably feel"

 

I really didn't make many assumptions. I speculated on what the process may have looked like (the first two), but those were not used as a basis of any argument. I guess you could call it an assumption that the return we got was light, but that seems to be the consensus from pretty much everyone, both here and from those in the industry who have weighed in (along with puzzlement). Someone posted something here last night, if I remember right, from a credible source that suggested teams were already using the Stroman trade to try to justify their similar lowball offers on other available players, including those from the Mets. That may or may not be true in reality, but it wasn't an assumption.

 

I guess it would technically be an assumption that if they're doing that with other teams, they'd likely try to do it to us with Giles as well, but it's a pretty reasonable one. I know in fantasy, when I make a trade that others consider bad, I'm flooded with bad offers after. I tend to do the same when others make suspect trades. I highly doubt it's any different for real GMs.

[saskjayfan]

That seems like a Stroman problem, not an Atkins problem.

 

its not an Atkins problem if we're not taking about a 3.5+ win pitcher....Stro isn't an ace, but he's a quality starter that could help a team contend. We're in desperate need of starting pitching and our young controllable position players are coming together a lot faster than the pitching. The position players are going to be ready to contend a couple years before the pitching will.

[Barkerfan23]

The more I hear this

 

The more I am sure Shaprio has hired Atkins on some sort of an equal employer opportunity program

 

I would be very surprised if Atkins is not on the spectrum

[OtisNixonFan]

I don't mind the return.. Just one thing grates on my nerves.

 

Atkins. Everything about him is a bitch. His nasally voice, his inability to give eye contact, his stammering hesistant answers. It isn't hard to imagine a guy like BVW leading negotiations and intimidating Atkins through the whole process.

 

Like I said no issues with the trade.. I

think Kay will be a solid rotation piece and I love the dice roll on SWR. Just with we had more of an Alpha and people person at the helm.

[Spanky99]

Just read the story about Stroman kicking that nerd Atkins out of a meeting. Hilarious.

 

lol, what’s this now?

 

I believe he's talking about the Gregor Chisholm article on the Atkins/Stroman tire fire of a relationship.

 

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2019/07/28/theres-plenty-of-blame-to-go-around-after-stroman-and-blue-jays-finalize-divorce.html

 

The purpose behind the meeting was to inform Stroman that the club would be naming veteran lefty J.A. Happ the opening day starter. Toronto pointed to a lingering shoulder issue as the reason why Stroman would be held out of its first series. According to multiple sources familiar with the incident, Stroman was prepared to meet with manager John Gibbons and pitching coach Pete Walker, but not general manager Ross Atkins, who he asked to leave the room while using some rather colourful language. Conversation between the two has been spotty at best ever since.

 

Edit: Ahh... I see you've read it, the scenario was not good. Also seems as though Atkins sent him to the Mets out of spite.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Spanky99

[Abomination]

Agreed...it's a pretty awesome trade environment for a young team built around positional prospects, who, in a couple of years (when we optimize our win curve), may need to acquire a couple of starting pitchers to compete.

 

I'm a bit confused on why people are so surprised. I think in general - teams value prospects higher than they ever have before. Contending teams seem to be able to acquire proven ML talent cheaper than ever before....whether thru trade or through free agency. I know it's super frustrating to be a couple of years away from contending, but when the new 'core' is ready, it's easier than ever to go out and fill holes with quality players. In the meantime, we build up the farm system so we have the currency to take advantage of the weak market (let's just hope the weak market continues!)

 

It's actually really interesting. In theory, if you can get a team close at the deadline and have payroll flexibility, you can buy the rest at low cost and low risk without FA term. I think that's partly why the deadlines were moved and consolidated, so teams couldn't just overhaul their team for the last month of the season at no cost.

[Ex Player]

US media not exactly impressed with this trade: https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2019/07/29/us-media-puzzled-blue-jays-couldnt-get-more-for-marcus-stroman-in-trade-with-new-york-mets.html

[Bobthe4th]

[King]

The more I hear this

 

The more I am sure Shaprio has hired Atkins on some sort of an equal employer opportunity program

 

I would be very surprised if Atkins is not on the spectrum

lol