baubau Verified Member Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 I don't know whats more redonkulous, giving Sanchez 60M or committing to him for 5 years.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 I don't know whats more redonkulous, giving Sanchez 60M or committing to him for 5 years. $60M I'd give Sanchez 5 years at $25M without a second thought.
baubau Verified Member Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 $60M I'd give Sanchez 5 years at $25M without a second thought. $25M is probably still too much. Honestly thinking about it, I don't know where his value lies over a 5 year period. If you stick him in the bullpen he could probably provide more value. Either way I just hope he's traded and is another team's problem.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 I'd bet at this point, his next contract will have a blister clause in it
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 No! Blister issues affect the secondary stuff too much. Might not be on the IL but still have issues.. Will be in the pen in 3 yrs.. Plus with Boras will not be able to get value in risk vs. reward.. NO! Like I said...
TheHurl Site Manager Posted April 21, 2019 Posted April 21, 2019 I'd bet at this point, his next contract will have a blister clause in it
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 The finger issues have changed his pitch mix. The 2016 guy isn't coming back.
tbad Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Sell high on him (as high as he might get)...
TheHurl Site Manager Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 I'm not convinced a move to the bullpen automatically makes him a stud reliever either. I'm not 100% certain either but his career slash line against, first time through is .219/.315/.331. It doesn't always translate directly but it seems like an okay indicator and even last year he was very good first time through.
LGBJ29 Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 I voted no. Obviously the Shoemaker ACL was a freak incident, but being able to find a guy like him on the open market at 3.5M >>>>> committing 5 years to Sanchez's fingers. Guys like Keuchel going unsigned this long too. Him at 2-3 years over Sanchez's 5 easily for me.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 I voted no. Obviously the Shoemaker ACL was a freak incident, but being able to find a guy like him on the open market at 3.5M >>>>> committing 5 years to Sanchez's fingers. Guys like Keuchel going unsigned this long too. Him at 2-3 years over Sanchez's 5 easily for me. Keuchel isn't signed because he's asking for stupid amounts, stupid term, or probably still both. It's not like he's out of a job because no one wants him. I'd take 5 years of Sanchez at 12M per (assuming finger health) over Keuchel for 7 years at 30M per, or whatever stupid asking price he had.
LGBJ29 Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Keuchel isn't signed because he's asking for stupid amounts, stupid term, or probably still both. It's not like he's out of a job because no one wants him. I'd take 5 years of Sanchez at 12M per (assuming finger health) over Keuchel for 7 years at 30M per, or whatever stupid asking price he had. You can't assume finger health, and Keuchel isn't getting anywhere near 30M per. I would take Keuchel at 3/60 (He probably wont even get that), over Sanchez at 5/60
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Keuchel might be willing to accept a one-year contract at this point.
BTS Community Moderator Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Keuchel might be willing to accept a one-year contract at this point. 20M pro-rated on a 1-year deal would be amazing.
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 20M pro-rated on a 1-year deal would be amazing. I would be beyond happy if the Jays signed him at those terms. It would make watching the Jays that much more enjoyable every fifth day and, at the very least, gives them a very sexy trade chip at the deadline if they're out of the race at that time.
tbad Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 I would be beyond happy if the Jays signed him at those terms. It would make watching the Jays that much more enjoyable every fifth day and, at the very least, gives them a very sexy trade chip at the deadline if they're out of the race at that time. Makes no sense to throw away $20M on rebuild year. Guaranteed not to happen.
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Makes no sense to throw away $20M on rebuild year. Guaranteed not to happen. The Jays are almost .500 right now and the Red Sox and Yankees are off to miserable starts to their seasons. Vlad's debut is right around the corner, Biggio should be up soon, and Bo may debut in a couple months. Adding Keuchel makes sense for this team, as they've been hit with a plethora of injuries to the rotation. The hedge is that they can flip Keuchel for a couple of decent futures to supplement the rebuild if they're out of the race at the deadline. In that case, you could view this scenario as buying prospects. It makes all the sense.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Keuchel might be willing to accept a one-year contract at this point. I'm not sure I buy that. There's enough need around the league someone would have given it to him by now if that was the case, either the long-term at a reasonable rate or 1 year at higher. I kinda feel that's just Rosenthal speculating, especially with the "one executive is under the impression" line. There's probably an executive somewhere who thinks the Earth is flat too. He may eventually settle for a prorated 1 year, but it'll probably be in the second half of the season.
FrozenRopes Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Based on the discussion in the GDT this morning, I am interested to hear other people's opinions on Aaron Sanchez. Would you give Aaron Sanchez 5/60? If not, what do you think a reasonable contract extension would look like? If it were my money, 2 year at 10... Rogers money, 2 years at 10. Guy has a wonky hand.
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 I'm not sure I buy that. There's enough need around the league someone would have given it to him by now if that was the case, either the long-term at a reasonable rate or 1 year at higher. I kinda feel that's just Rosenthal speculating, especially with the "one executive is under the impression" line. There's probably an executive somewhere who thinks the Earth is flat too. He may eventually settle for a prorated 1 year, but it'll probably be in the second half of the season. You might be right, but I think he'll be willing to accept a 1-year deal sooner than you think. At this rate, he's going to lose an entire season to sitting out and that would not bode well for any future long-term deal. Playing baseball is the best thing that he could do for his future.
FrozenRopes Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Keuchel isn't signed because he's asking for stupid amounts, stupid term, or probably still both. It's not like he's out of a job because no one wants him. I'd take 5 years of Sanchez at 12M per (assuming finger health) over Keuchel for 7 years at 30M per, or whatever stupid asking price he had. Username checks out.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 You might be right, but I think he'll be willing to accept a 1-year deal sooner than you think. At this rate, he's going to lose an entire season to sitting out and that would not bode well for any future long-term deal. Playing baseball is the best thing that he could do for his future. Well he has to play SOME this year or it's a problem, but given that he's a pitcher it might be wise for him to only pitch half a season. If he only pitches in the second half, he can probably choose a contender while being fresh down the stretch. For a batter, I agree with you completely.
wk680 Verified Member Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 Seems unlikely he would sign for this 'apparently team friendly' 5/60 extension with Boras as agent. I would not offer him that right now. The finger problems have seemed to derail his development into a pitcher (still more of a thrower). Good news is they are saying he should be ready to go for his next turn in the rotation (couple off days this week will help).
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted April 23, 2019 Posted April 23, 2019 He's a Boras client. Good luck trying to get anything reasonable from that old fart.
tbad Verified Member Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 The Jays are almost .500 right now and the Red Sox and Yankees are off to miserable starts to their seasons. Vlad's debut is right around the corner, Biggio should be up soon, and Bo may debut in a couple months. Adding Keuchel makes sense for this team, as they've been hit with a plethora of injuries to the rotation. The hedge is that they can flip Keuchel for a couple of decent futures to supplement the rebuild if they're out of the race at the deadline. In that case, you could view this scenario as buying prospects. It makes all the sense.
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 Nah, just predominantly a left-brained thinker. You should try using it sometime.
King Old-Timey Member Posted June 13, 2019 Author Posted June 13, 2019 Anyone still want to give Sanchez 5/80... anyone? Grant? Spanky? Deadpool?
BTS Community Moderator Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Grant was right about Aaron Sanchez being a high end starter, and there's no questioning it.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Anyone still want to give Sanchez 5/80... anyone? Grant? Spanky? Deadpool? I still believe he'd exceed as a backend reliever? I think the time is now though, to figure it out. He's being mishandled. The contract differs largely in this point of time, lol.
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