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What the f*** is this s***?

 

He ain't no... Gibby!

 

Gibby'd be down with a guitar,

 

cigar, and an old fashioned,

 

Tennessee whiskey!

 

Cold beer to chase, lol.

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I miss the way Gibby would saunter out of the dugout to give an umpire a dumptruck full of s*** and gave zero f***s in the process.
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I hope the Jays lead off the 2nd inning with a double so that Vlad could bunt the man over to 3rd.

 

ya, gotta make sure he's ready for the majors

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Montoyo qont be the manager when this team is good

 

They will just bring in Gibby for his third stint

 

Or Cito for his 3rd.

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I hated his ass with a passion

 

I loved him the first time around, but I was too young to know any better then...

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Yes.

 

Yeah, Cito would have kept Vladdy on the bench so the vetrins got to play. Rookies gotta earn their playing time by not ever playing!

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Yeah, Cito would have kept Vladdy on the bench so the vetrins got to play. Rookies gotta earn their playing time by not ever playing!

 

John Olerud never hit ahead of Joe Carter, ever. Olerud even when hitting .400 hit fifth.

After they got Ricky Henderson, Molitor and/or Alomar had to be pushed to 6th. Henderson, White, Alomar, Carter, Olerud, Molitor. So you had the two batting title finalists hitting 5th and 6th behind .310ish on base guys.

 

In 1992 White hit 1, Carter hit 3, each was healthy, go almost 700 plate appearances, and each had a .300ish on base percentage.

 

Cito messed around with any young hitter, particularly young left handed hitters.

 

He mostly evaluated hitters on RBIs. The crazy thing was since he sat young guys so much, they'd only get 65 rbis (Green, Olerud), and then by defnition weren't an RBI guy, so had to get hitting tips to be more like Joe Carter, and the hitting tips were crap. Olerud talks about this (very politely) in the introduction to TIm Robinson's hitting book (old Mets coach).

 

Olerud would of been a hall of famer without Cito. He got 58 fwar

 

Not platooning - a few more fwar - 62 say

Not getting bad hitting tips - a few mrore fwar - 65 say

 

And his career would look more impressive if he got 500 at bats a year from 90 to 96.

 

I'm rambling, I know. But Cito was bad, not only the worse manager but the worse human being in history (at least according to Bob Cat).

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I'm mostly doing this to get a laugh out of the 12 paragraph response, but one wonders how Olerud would have done without the tutelage of one of the game's great hitting coaches. This quote from him describes the swing of so many other hitters that blossomed under Cito. The two are always extremely complimentary of each other so there was obviously a pretty strong and positive relationship.

 

"My focus was really on keeping my hands inside the ball and just have a real short route to the inside pitch, and not worry about hitting the inside pitch hard, just getting the barrel to it,” he said. “ And the outside pitch, I felt like I had more time to get to it and I could relax. I didn’t have to fight to get the barrel to that outside pitch.”

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I'm mostly doing this to get a laugh out of the 12 paragraph response, but one wonders how Olerud would have done without the tutelage of one of the game's great hitting coaches. This quote from him describes the swing of so many other hitters that blossomed under Cito. The two are always extremely complimentary of each other so there was obviously a pretty strong and positive relationship.

 

"My focus was really on keeping my hands inside the ball and just have a real short route to the inside pitch, and not worry about hitting the inside pitch hard, just getting the barrel to it,” he said. “ And the outside pitch, I felt like I had more time to get to it and I could relax. I didn’t have to fight to get the barrel to that outside pitch.”

 

Cito was a great hitting coach, I'll give you that, but he couldn't manage a lick.

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Cito was a great hitting coach, I'll give you that, but he couldn't manage a lick.

 

He was no different than any other manager in his first stint and the results were better than anyone could have dreamed of, but he failed to adapt to some of the newer changes in the game during his second stint. Fortunately, we got Joey and Edwin out of it so it was definitely a net positive.

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He was no different than any other manager in his first stint and the results were better than anyone could have dreamed of, but he failed to adapt to some of the newer changes in the game during his second stint. Fortunately, we got Joey and Edwin out of it so it was definitely a net positive.

 

Those early teams were stacked, any manager would've gotten them results, I don't hate the man, I just wished the team hadn't promoted him. Meh... s*** happens and we got 2 WS out of it, regardless. Agreed on the latter part.

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Those early teams were stacked, any manager would've gotten them results, I don't hate the man, I just wished the team hadn't promoted him. Meh... s*** happens and we got 2 WS out of it, regardless. Agreed on the latter part.

 

Nothing is guaranteed in baseball. We've seen the best preseason team tank and miss the playoffs, win it all, and everything in between. Bobby Cox probably had the best team in baseball 6 or 7 times and only won once.

 

We were lucky to have such good years and memories and I hope more are coming under Montoyo.

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