Report: Blue Jays discussed Pillar trade with several clubs

[Jimcanuck]

With Spanky's input to this important exercise, here is the new bottom 10 Blue Jays.

 

1) Arencibia

2) Going going goins!

3) Pillar

4) Jo-Jo

5) Briantalletstache

6) Solarte

7) Maicer

8) Bonifacio

9) Hinske

10) Esmil Rogers

[o2cui2i]

After considering the candidates and your input, presenting your bottom 10 Blue Jays!

 

1) Arencibia

2) Pillar

3) Jo-Jo

4) Briantalletstache

5) Solarte

6) Maicer

7) Bonifacio

8) Hinske

9) Esmil Rogers

10) Aaron Hill (Bad version)

 

Chacin's fall from usabiity was pretty bad, not as bad as his cologne but close.

 

Bonifacio was hard to tolerate with his big smirk as he sucked balls every day. That whole Miami trade was hard to tolerate

 

Tallet was more over used by Gaston than bad as a reliever. imo

[Spanky99]

Chacin's fall from usabiity was pretty bad, not as bad as his cologne but close.

 

Bonifacio was hard to tolerate with his big smirk as he sucked balls every day. That whole Miami trade was hard to tolerate

 

Tallet was more over used by Gaston than bad as a reliever. imo

 

This. *BALLS TO THE WALL*

[Spanky99]

With Spanky's input to this important exercise, here is the new bottom 10 Blue Jays.

 

1) Arencibia

2) Going going goins!

3) Sirotka

4) Jo-Jo

5) Briantalletstache

6) Solarte

7) Maicer

8) Bonifacio

9) Hinske

10) Esmil Rogers

 

fixed... also putting Solarte in here is dumn, guy just lost his wife via cancer, had to be tough. Very, likeable guy.

[Jimcanuck]

So maybe stick Moises Sierra in for Tallet?

[Jimcanuck]

fixed

 

How can Sirotka be in there, he never played a game for the jays. Not his fault Gord Ash is a f***ing tool

[Spanky99]

How can Sirotka be in there, he never played a game for the jays. Not his fault Gord Ash is a f***ing tool

 

Put Gord Ash in then, lol. Or Bill Caudill. There's a zillion guy's you can put in this, aside from recency bias. It was sure f***ing annoying.

[Captain Adama]

Ryan Goins

Juan Rivera

Francisco Cordero

[Spanky99]

Aaron Hill? What the f***?

 

Geez, the love for you is real, I said the same thing, no likes! :,)

[Spanky99]

Whoops, my bad, lol. NVM...

[bzapple]

JPA is my least liked Blue Jay ever but if we're talking depressing Jays I think Josh Johnson needs a mention.

[Grant77]

Ryan Goins

Juan Rivera

Francisco Cordero

 

Juan Rivera just reminded of of that amazing trade with the Angels. I couldn't really hate him.

[TheHurl]

For me it is every single catcher we have ever had who wasn't named Russell Martin

[Laika]

The Kevin Mench + Brad Wilkerson experience on the 2008 team is worth mentioning. Woof.

[Laika]

For me it is every single catcher we have ever had who wasn't named Russell Martin

 

I kind of liked Bengie, Buck, and Zaun.

 

Coco Cordero is good one ^.

[Grant77]

Kyle Drabek and Ricky Romero. I couldn't stand watching them pitch.

 

Brevin Mencherson lol

[Orgfiller]

The Kevin Mench + Brad Wilkerson experience on the 2008 team is worth mentioning. Woof.

 

Kevin Mench is also known at the guy who ended Roy Halladay's 2005 Cy Young candidacy. But yeah those 2008-2010 teams had some guys who were very rough to watch.

[5ToolPhenom]

Omar Vizquel's season with us was one of the worst in recent memory.

[Carlos Danger]

For me it is every single catcher we have ever had who wasn't named Russell Martin

 

What was wrong with Pat Borders?

[Pendleton]

For me it is every single catcher we have ever had who wasn't named Russell Martin

 

Darrin Fletcher

[LGBJ29]

I for one will never forget the Henry Blanco era

[baseballsss]

Adam Lind?

[bones10]

Chad beck, that fat f***.

[Krylian]

Josh Towers

[Orgfiller]

Adam Lind?

 

Adam Lind was good for us, had that breakout 2009 year, then struggled for a couple before becoming platoon Jesus. Wasn't annoyed with his tenure at all.

 

Eric Thames on the other hand...woof. It was like having Teoscar Hernandez with 2/3 of the power and half the defense, brutal baseball player for us.

[TheHurl]

What was wrong with Pat Borders?

 

I was figuring we were discussing post strike era by the names being mentioned here (either that or no one remembers that the Jays won 89 games in 1983 and 84 with a SS that couldn't swing a bat). I hated Borders too though, loved Ernie Whitt though. I was just saying we've had some really s***** catchers.

[Spanky99]

I was figuring we were discussing post strike era by the names being mentioned here (either that or no one remembers that the Jays won 89 games in 1983 and 84 with a SS that couldn't swing a bat). I hated Borders too though, loved Ernie Whitt though. I was just saying we've had some really s***** catchers.

 

lol

[Jimcanuck]

This thing requires a poll. Will do one later today

[Olerud363]

This thing requires a poll. Will do one later today

 

Joe Carter needs to be on it, or no player that had more war/162 than Carter can be on it.

 

Eyeballing the totals -

 

Erik Hinske had more WAR (as a Jay) then Joe Carter

Adam Lind, Pat Borders and Josh Towers had more WAR/162 as a Jay

 

And Of Course!!!

 

Kevin Pillar - ~10 Fangraphs WAR as a Blue Jay

Joe Carter ~7.5 Fangraphs WAR as a Blue jay

 

So if the criteria is a kind of over rated player, who had one good year, a couple of OK ones and then tanked, hurt the team and was horrible to watch, and overrated by casuals. Joe Carter is that guy.

[jimedmonds]

do you guys find that as you get older (i.e. mid-30s onward), your once encyclopedic memory starts losing a few random pages such as your girlfriend's father's name, the name of the street intersecting the one that you live on, and which Toronto Blue Jay once struck out 4 times in a game before refusing a kid's autograph and then cursing out the kid's dad on video?

 

trying to remember for the life of me who it was? for some reason, I think it was a Latino outfielder and a known hothead, but it doesn't seem like something Mondesi or Jose Cruz Jr would do. Definitely wasn't Bautista

 

anyway, I don't mind watching hot trash because I find the epic struggle hilarious in a somewhat sado-masochistic kind of day. Like watching JPA and Pillar at bat is so grotesque, you almost admire the comical beauty of them flailing at a 0-2 pitch that everyone in the stadium knows is going to end up two feet out of the strike zone.

 

the ones that irritated me were the guys who were pegged as having massive potential, failed massively to live up to it, but showed just an inkling of their ability to give you a false sense of hope. Funny how they were all outfielders with incorrigibly awful plate discipline

 

- Jose Cruz Jr.

- Colby Rasmus

- Travis Snider