General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Spanky99]

Morales lead the team in DRC+ last year man...

 

That's a good thing, mate!

[LGBJ29]

Pillar is a better player; he can stay healthy. Grichuk can't stay healthy

 

Pillar only played 18 more games than Grichuk last season and still had a slightly lower WAR. Steamer also projects Grichuk to be half a win better this season. I'd argue he's our best

[Daniel Labude]

Almost seems like due to the surpiseness of the Vlad injury that it was kind of fabricated or exaggerated to get by with the service time issue imo

[Spanky99]

Almost seems like due to the surpiseness of the Vlad injury that it was kind of fabricated or exaggerated to get by with the service time issue imo

 

No.

[Pendleton]

Almost seems like due to the surpiseness of the Vlad injury that it was kind of fabricated or exaggerated to get by with the service time issue imo

 

 

Why would Vlad ever go along with that?

[Key22]

Vlad is a tubbo. Basically, Prince Fielder 2.0. Big bat first baseman. That's okay and all but he better mash at a 1.000 OPS or meh.

[Spanky99]

Vlad is a tubbo. Basically, Prince Fielder 2.0. Big bat first baseman. That's okay and all but he better mash at a 1.000 OPS or meh.

 

lol

[Angrioter]

Pillar only played 18 more games than Grichuk last season and still had a slightly lower WAR. Steamer also projects Grichuk to be half a win better this season. I'd argue he's our best

 

Last 4 season:

Pillar: 2.5 fWAR

Grichuk: 2.2 fWAR

 

Grichuk is more talented, but Pillar is the man who has been in the field free of injuries.

[LGBJ29]

Last 4 season:

Pillar: 2.5 fWAR

Grichuk: 2.2 fWAR

 

Grichuk is more talented, but Pillar is the man who has been in the field free of injuries.

 

Sorry I thought your argument was who is our best OF right now, not in the past? You're right Pillar has been better over the past 4 years, as 4 years ago in his prime he put up a 3.7 fWAR season. However, I think with their age and skill set it is pretty clear Grichuk is the more valuable player right now and moving forward. I'd even be willing to make an fWAR wager for this season injuries included if you're interested.

[Krylian]

f*** Pillar. The End.

[glory]

People on social media saying the Jays are probably happy that Vlad got hurt to avoid any service time issues don't make any sense. The Jays were going to keep Vlad down until late April regardless. They don't give a damn about optics (which is a good thing in this city). I'd rather Vlad be healthy and be kept down for service time reasons than to suffer another injury (after missing time last year). Even if it may not be considered serious, the guy is 20 with weight issues. I'm not going to celebrate a damn injury.

[Krylian]

People on social media saying the Jays are probably happy that Vlad got hurt to avoid any service time issues don't make any sense. The Jays were going to keep Vlad down until late April regardless. They don't give a damn about optics (which is a good thing in this city). I'd rather Vlad be healthy and be kept down for service time reasons than to suffer another injury (after missing time last year). Even if it may not be considered serious, the guy is 20 with weight issues. I'm not going to celebrate a damn injury.

 

It gives them a built in excuse if the Players Association decides to bitch and moan. No, they wouldn't really have a case anyway, but not having to deal with them or their complaining is a win.

[LGBJ29]

I'd have to agree with glory in that the avoiding minor headache the FO would get from twitter bitching and an unwinnable grievance doesn't really offset the durability concerns from our fat prized possession

[Krylian]

I'd have to agree with glory in that the avoiding minor headache the FO would get from twitter bitching and an unwinnable grievance doesn't really offset the durability concerns from our fat prized possession

 

I agree. An injury is never the preferred outcome. And really, it's a moot point cause Atkins already came out right at the start and said he's not a ML player right now. Had he just shut up and said, 'we'll use Spring Training to evaluate Vladdy' then there would be zero heat on him. But since he already said it, the injury means nothing...

[Laika]

Had he just shut up and said, 'we'll use Spring Training to evaluate Vladdy' then there would be zero heat on him.

 

lmao okay bud

[polar bear]

morales lead the team in drc+ last year man...

 

drc ?

[Krylian]

lmao okay bud

 

Really? You think he didn't botch up that entire communication?

[P2F]

drc ?

 

Deserved Runs Created - it's a new stat from Baseball Prospectus. It attempts to award the hitter for their deserved skill.

 

https://www.radioscouts.com/blog/introducing-drc-and-using-it-to-evaluate-the-2018-blue-jays

[Laika]

Really? You think he didn't botch up that entire communication?

 

That's not what you said. You said if not for that statement he would have had "zero heat on him."

 

The not major league ready line cost him some PR points but did not change the dial on the frying pan at all. MLBPA was already monitoring the situation

[saskjayfan]

I agree. An injury is never the preferred outcome. And really, it's a moot point cause Atkins already came out right at the start and said he's not a ML player right now. Had he just shut up and said, 'we'll use Spring Training to evaluate Vladdy' then there would be zero heat on him. But since he already said it, the injury means nothing...

 

anyone think we won't see Vlad until late april 2020?

[Jimcanuck]

anyone think we won't see Vlad until late april 2020?

 

No way, no how

[Carlos Danger]

MLB.com's team projections...

 

BLUE JAYS

 

Lineup:

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Kendrys Morales, DH

5) Randal Grichuk, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF

7) Kevin Pillar, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C

9) Freddy Galvis, SS

 

Rotation and closer:

 

1) Marcus Stroman, RHP

2) Aaron Sanchez, RHP

3) Matt Shoemaker, RHP

4) Clay Buchholz, RHP

5) Ryan Borucki, LHP

 

Closer: Ken Giles, RHP

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/projected-2019-lineups-rotations-all-30-teams-c303706990

 

From a fan point of view who would you rather pay your hard earned money to go see or sit down and watch on TV etc..

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Kendrys Morales, DH

5) Randal Grichuk, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF

7) Kevin Pillar, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C

9) Freddy Galvis, SS

 

or

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Rowdy Tellez

5) Anthony Alford, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF (Mckinney (Davis or Pompey 4th OF).

7) Randal Grichuk, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C (Reese vice Maile)

9) Bo Bichette, SS

 

From someone who spent over $500 USD to go one Jays game last year with my family.. I am NOT interested in seeing a line up with guys who are only there because they are not tradable etc..e

Edited March 11, 2019 by Carlos Danger

[Carlos Danger]

That's why I'm looking forward to attending many games in Buffalo this year. I'll be able to see the likes of Rowdy, Bo, Biggio, Vladdy(for awhile) and possibly Pearson for the low,low price of $10 US. Plus I can have one of those delicious Sahlen hotdogs and a beer for under 10 bucks. Love the minor leagues.

 

That actually sounds really good! The hot-dog, the cheap beer, the stadium. I tried last year to catch a Bisons game when I was in Toronto and the Buffalo area. However it was the IL All-Star Break when I was around.

 

I NEVER in a million years thought I would say that living in Buffalo sounds really good this summer

Edited March 11, 2019 by Carlos Danger

[Ray]

Spring Training Stats for some of the younger players:

 

Bichette: 27 PA .400/.444/.920 4HR 2BB 6K

 

Teoscar: 26 PA .522/.577/.565 3BB 5K

 

Alford: 25 PA .304/.360/.870 4HR 2BB 8K

 

McKinney: 28 PA .273/.429/.591 2HR 6BB 5K

 

Drury: 27 PA .375/.444/.708 2HR 3BB 9K

 

Gurriel Jr.: 25 PA .450/.480/.850 2HR 1BB 1K

 

Tellez: 32 PA .333/.375/.667 3HR 2BB 7K

 

 

Spring training stats means nothing, but it's still nice to see

Edited March 11, 2019 by Ray

[BTS]

From a fan point of view who would you rather pay your hard earned money to go see or sit down and watch on TV etc..

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Kendrys Morales, DH

5) Randal Grichuk, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF

7) Kevin Pillar, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C

9) Freddy Galvis, SS

 

or

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Rowdy Tellez

5) Anthony Alford, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF (Mckinney (Davis or Pompey 4th OF).

7) Randal Grichuk, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C (Reese vice Maile)

9) Bo Bichette, SS

 

From someone who spent over $500 USD to go one Jays game last year with my family.. I am NOT interested in seeing a line up with guys who are only there because they are not tradable etc..e

 

How many Phillies fans enjoyed watching Scott Kingery play last year?

 

It's fun to watch MLB debuts, but nobody is buying tickets to watch a bunch of prospects get completely overmatched at the major league level. Everyone's excited about Alford now, but when he has a wRC+ of 75 in mid-April nobody is going to be happy that the team punted Pillar to make room for a replacement level MLB player. Let these guys develop at AAA and kick the door down.

[L54]

From a fan point of view who would you rather pay your hard earned money to go see or sit down and watch on TV etc..

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Kendrys Morales, DH

5) Randal Grichuk, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF

7) Kevin Pillar, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C

9) Freddy Galvis, SS

 

or

 

1) Lourdes Gurriel Jr., 2B

2) Brandon Drury, 3B

3) Justin Smoak, 1B

4) Rowdy Tellez

5) Anthony Alford, RF

6) Teoscar Hernandez, LF (Mckinney (Davis or Pompey 4th OF).

7) Randal Grichuk, CF

8) Danny Jansen, C (Reese vice Maile)

9) Bo Bichette, SS

 

From someone who spent over $500 USD to go one Jays game last year with my family.. I am NOT interested in seeing a line up with guys who are only there because they are not tradable etc..e

 

Save your money then, nobody is making you spend your money at the Rogers Centre.

[Carlos Danger]

How many Phillies fans enjoyed watching Scott Kingery play last year?

 

It's fun to watch MLB debuts, but nobody is buying tickets to watch a bunch of prospects get completely overmatched at the major league level. Everyone's excited about Alford now, but when he has a wRC+ of 75 in mid-April nobody is going to be happy that the team punted Pillar to make room for a replacement level MLB player. Let these guys develop at AAA and kick the door down.

 

The September team was much more fun to watch with those guys in the line-up, and the team did better than prior in the year with the "veterans".

 

I fully understand the "mirage" that September baseball creates.. However, a lot of that was negated, since a majority of our games were against teams jockeying for first place in the AL East or battling for a wild card spot/top spot in their division.

 

We are not talking switching out a Josh Donaldson for a rook. We are talking about Pillar, Morales, Travis would be in the discussion if healthy..

 

Baseball is entertainment. We do not have much shot in 2019 with either line-up.. So, we might as well have one more entertaining..

[Carlos Danger]

Save your money then, nobody is making you spend your money at the Rogers Centre.

 

Fine for you to say. However, Rogers is running a business. I as a consumer in the demo that they savor, have no issue spending my money to see exciting guys, even with the knowledge that we might lose. However, that chance is not made less by a bunch of boring left overs that I have no desire to see.

 

If I knew in advance the line-up of the games, no way I buy tickets to see Morales, Travis play s*** D etc.. I will pay to see Tellez hit, Alford, run throw and hit.. Bo, Biggio and ACEucki pitch.

[L54]

Fine for you to say. However, Rogers is running a business. I as a consumer in the demo that they savor, have no issue spending my money to see exciting guys, even with the knowledge that we might lose. However, that chance is not made less by a bunch of boring left overs that I have no desire to see.

 

If I knew in advance the line-up of the games, no way I buy tickets to see Morales, Travis play s*** D etc.. I will pay to see Tellez hit, Alford, run throw and hit.. Bo, Biggio and ACEucki pitch.

 

Fine for you to say. However, Shatkins are running a baseball club. They're not going to take guys like Tellez, Bo, Biggio out of camp because of reasons I shouldn't need to explain to you. For the first time in a long time it appears that this club might have a bit of depth and everyone wants to nuke it and become the Baltimore Orioles this year. These motherf***ers will get their opportunity if they prove they've mastered the minors and are pounding down the door to the bigs.

 

And no, Rogers doesn't give a s*** if Carlos Danger comes to one of the 81 games. I promise you you're nothing more than a fart in the wind to them. A piss in the ocean if you will.

[Carlos Danger]

Fine for you to say. However, Shatkins are running a baseball club. They're not going to take guys like Tellez, Bo, Biggio out of camp because of reasons I shouldn't need to explain to you. For the first time in a long time it appears that this club might have a bit of depth and everyone wants to nuke it and become the Baltimore Orioles this year. These motherf***ers will get their opportunity if they prove they've mastered the minors and are pounding down the door to the bigs.

 

And no, Rogers doesn't give a s*** if Carlos Danger comes to one of the 81 games. I promise you you're nothing more than a fart in the wind to them. A piss in the ocean if you will.

 

Well, I understand and agree with Biggio.. I think Tellez would stick on the ML team now, I think Bichette could use a few months in AAA, but doesn't need the whole year (or until September).

 

I also understand Rogers doesn't know or care about the Danger family and one game is nothing. However, I don't think many casuals are looking at anyone on this team to go see except for Vlad whenever he gets here.. If guys like me who are pretty dedicated baseball guys feel this way, I am sure it is not only me who feels the same.