Offseason Roster Thread

[bzapple]

So I've been kinda off the grid this summer but I'll give two cents on what I can.

 

Bullpen should be fine, depending entirely on what the SPs provide. Giles and Tepera are solid options, and then from the rest there should emerge at least a couple half decent arms. Barnes had a lousy year but I'm fine giving him a shot to rebound. Petricka looks like a clear non-tender. Otherwise just fill it out with some scrap heap guys February, maybe even bring Clippard back if the price is right.

 

Cutting Solarte is obvious, but I'd hang onto both of Drury and Travis. If Solarte's gone, one of them will need to start at least until Vlad arrives. Not sold on Gurriel as a regular but Diaz is an okay option to have. Of course anything from Tulo is a bonus. Should be plenty of playing time for both Martin and Jansen, probably not a need for a third catcher. I'm with Grant on trying to dump Morales somewhere - he's hurting the flexibility of the roster and is just generally not fun to watch. Teoscar is fairly one-dimensional but I'd still much rather give him ABs than Morales, to see if the bat develops any further. At some point Alford needs to be given a shot in the majors, but right now he probably needs a bit more time in Buffalo.

 

Also wondering where the board stands on Billy McKinney - org guy or is he worth anything?

 

For the rotation, I think we need at least two MLB signings for it to not fall to pieces. JA Happ round 3 sounds like a decent plan, and then a cheap back-end type to take some innings off the young guys (and the injury prone guys).

[Spanky99]

So I've been kinda off the grid this summer but I'll give two cents on what I can.

 

Bullpen should be fine, depending entirely on what the SPs provide. Giles and Tepera are solid options, and then from the rest there should emerge at least a couple half decent arms. Barnes had a lousy year but I'm fine giving him a shot to rebound. Petricka looks like a clear non-tender. Otherwise just fill it out with some scrap heap guys February, maybe even bring Clippard back if the price is right.

 

Cutting Solarte is obvious, but I'd hang onto both of Drury and Travis. If Solarte's gone, one of them will need to start at least until Vlad arrives. Not sold on Gurriel as a regular but Diaz is an okay option to have. Of course anything from Tulo is a bonus. Should be plenty of playing time for both Martin and Jansen, probably not a need for a third catcher. I'm with Grant on trying to dump Morales somewhere - he's hurting the flexibility of the roster and is just generally not fun to watch. Teoscar is fairly one-dimensional but I'd still much rather give him ABs than Morales, to see if the bat develops any further. At some point Alford needs to be given a shot in the majors, but right now he probably needs a bit more time in Buffalo.

 

Also wondering where the board stands on Billy McKinney - org guy or is he worth anything?

 

For the rotation, I think we need at least two MLB signings for it to not fall to pieces. JA Happ round 3 sounds like a decent plan, and then a cheap back-end type to take some innings off the young guys (and the injury prone guys).

 

That's basically the general consensus, well played bro, lol.

[glory]

I think we probably start with Vlad-Diaz-Drury-Smoak on the infield.

 

McKinney-Pillar-Grichuk in the OF.

 

This is barring trades. I think management is super high on Drury and he gets a clean slate next year.

 

I think Drury will start the season at third and then shift to second when Vlad comes up. Travis and Solarte are on their last legs with the org. Then Gurriel and Diaz will cover short when Tulo takes his 4 month vacation during the season.

[Spanky99]

I think Drury will start the season at third and then shift to second when Vlad comes up. Travis and Solarte are on their last legs with the org. Then Gurriel and Diaz will cover short when Tulo takes his 4 month vacation during the season.

 

I doubt Solarte's on this team.

[glory]

I doubt Solarte's on this team.

 

Agreed. Travis is borderline but I'd expect him to be gone too. Even though he has options left I'm sure the team would much rather have Biggio getting the reps at 2b in Buffalo than having to deal with Travis.

 

Infield to start the year will probably be Drury, Tulo, Gurriel, and Smoak with Diaz off the bench. Maybe add an optionable IF who can cover all positions (definitely won't be Solarte and Travis can only play 2b).

[John_Havok]

Agreed. Travis is borderline but I'd expect him to be gone too. Even though he has options left I'm sure the team would much rather have Biggio getting the reps at 2b in Buffalo than having to deal with Travis.

 

Infield to start the year will probably be Drury, Tulo, Gurriel, and Smoak with Diaz off the bench. Maybe add an optionable IF who can cover all positions (definitely won't be Solarte and Travis can only play 2b).

 

This assumes Tulo has two functional lower limbs at the start of the season. That's no guarantee

[Jimcanuck]

Agreed. Travis is borderline but I'd expect him to be gone too. Even though he has options left I'm sure the team would much rather have Biggio getting the reps at 2b in Buffalo than having to deal with Travis.

 

Infield to start the year will probably be Drury, Tulo, Gurriel, and Smoak with Diaz off the bench. Maybe add an optionable IF who can cover all positions (definitely won't be Solarte and Travis can only play 2b).

 

There are a fair number of different scenarios given the positional flexibility of some of these guys, Gurriel and Drury in particular. I expect Pillar to be gone and Drury to see a fair bit of time in the OF

[glory]

This assumes Tulo has two functional lower limbs at the start of the season. That's no guarantee

 

True. That's why I think Travis is borderline because even though I don't see him as an everyday 2b anymore, he has at least stayed healthy this year.

[Orgfiller]

There are a fair number of different scenarios given the positional flexibility of some of these guys, Gurriel and Drury in particular. I expect Pillar to be gone and Drury to see a fair bit of time in the OF

 

Drury was brutal the last time that he played OF in the majors two seasons ago, maybe he'll be better now but I'd see Gurriel as the more likely of the two to see OF time, I believe he played some CF in Cuba.

[Jimcanuck]

Drury was brutal the last time that he played OF in the majors two seasons ago, maybe he'll be better now but I'd see Gurriel as the more likely of the two to see OF time, I believe he played some CF in Cuba.

 

Hmmm, wasn't aware that Drury is Pearce like in the OF.

 

On the subject of Travis, he's a guy I'd keep around. Hardly played the last few seasons, so this was a year to regroup. In the 2nd half he dropped his K rate to 15% and is getting BABIP'ed to the tune of .245. He's a prime bounce back candidate in my mind, a guy to hang onto and possible value at the deadline.

[Carlos Danger]

Hmmm, wasn't aware that Drury is Pearce like in the OF.

 

On the subject of Travis, he's a guy I'd keep around. Hardly played the last few seasons, so this was a year to regroup. In the 2nd half he dropped his K rate to 15% and is getting BABIP'ed to the tune of .245. He's a prime bounce back candidate in my mind, a guy to hang onto and possible value at the deadline.

 

Did you watch Travis today... His bat even when he was good a few years ago is not going to mitigate the horrible D... And is bat has not been good and he has had the ABs to get back in the swing of things..

[Jimcanuck]

Did you watch Travis today... His bat even when he was good a few years ago is not going to mitigate the horrible D... And is bat has not been good and he has had the ABs to get back in the swing of things..

 

Doesn't matter. He's a prime bounceback candidate making peanuts, with negligible trade value. Worth hanging onto in a rebuilding year in case he does bounceback.

 

Was a positive defender in his 50 games last year.

[John_Havok]

Hmmm, wasn't aware that Drury is Pearce like in the OF.

 

On the subject of Travis, he's a guy I'd keep around. Hardly played the last few seasons, so this was a year to regroup. In the 2nd half he dropped his K rate to 15% and is getting BABIP'ed to the tune of .245. He's a prime bounce back candidate in my mind, a guy to hang onto and possible value at the deadline.

 

I'm not so sure on Travis, looking at his numbers, yes, there's a bit of a case of bad luck in his profile, but his defense has also slid down the shitter as well. The bat bounce back would probably have to be to 2015 levels for him to even be a 2 WAR player, unless his D also improves, which was not a liability before, but this season has definitely retrogressednot to mention baserunning slowing down.

 

He might get some more rope, and theres no real risk in giving it to him but if he doesn't get it I don't think it's a travesty either.

[tpurewal97]

Infield : Vlad Guerrero Jr. (After April 15th) , Troy Tulowitzki , Aledmys Diaz , Brandon Drury , Lourdes Gurriel Jr. , Justin Smoak , Devon Travis

 

Outfield : Billy Mckinney , Kevin Pillar , Randall Grichuk , Teoscar Hernandez (Although I don't see a fit for him long-term.

 

 

Catchers : Danny Jansen , Russell Martin

 

 

Starting Pitchers :

 

1) Free Agent (JA Happ , HJ Ryu)

2) Marcus Stroman

3) Aaron Sanchez

4) Ryan Borucki

5) Sean Reid-Foley

 

RP :

 

Sam Gaviglio

Danny Barnes

Thomas Pannone

Ryan Tepera

Adam Warren ?

Cody Allen ?

Ken Giles

Edited September 7, 2018 by tpurewal97

[Angrioter]

Yeah, he may even be given a spring training shot at the 5/6th starter.

 

Harris suck. He will be annexed to the 40-man roster for the investment the team made in him.

[bottomsup]

Is that it, normally it's a lot more or are you implying just notable guys, Wow! I'm so used to AA's roster crunch year after year, lol.

 

I think it is very likely that Yennsy Diaz and Travis Bergen will be added. Patrick Murphy who was previously rule 5 eligible should be a lock too. Hopefully, my high school classmate Romano makes it as well.

[Terminator]

This team is going to suck next year but I'm ok with it. No expectations and there will be tons of young guys to watch. Should be a fun year even though we won't be very good.

[Dick_Pole]

This team is going to suck next year but I'm ok with it. No expectations and there will be tons of young guys to watch. Should be a fun year even though we won't be very good.

 

This team is going to suck next year as is, but the off-season is a long one. There's a lot of work to be done but that can be said for most teams. The Jays can afford to focus the vast majority of their efforts on the starting pitching because I'm already quite pleased with the depth of talent on the position player side.

 

Ideally the team signs/trades for three SP, carries over two from this year's dumpster fire rotation and tries the other three in the pen or AAA depth. I'm optimistic it can be done given how quickly Shapiro and Atkins managed to rectify the holes in the rotation inherited from AA.

 

Travis should start off in the minors and tried in the OF. There is no reason to release the guy unless Rogers is dead-set on being as cheap as possible.

[Bobthe4th]

Without looking, who do you think were our final top WAR position and pitcher players this season?

 

There's a tie with position between 2 players, and the pitcher I was surprised at (I didn't consider him and would have thought the player who finished 2nd would have "won").

 

EDIT: this is fWAR, just checked and bWAR has our best position player as 1 of the 2, and the pitcher is the second guy from Fangraphs.

Edited October 1, 2018 by Bobthe4th

[John_Havok]

Without looking, who do you think were our final top WAR position and pitcher players this season?

 

There's a tie with position between 2 players, and the pitcher I was surprised at (I didn't consider him and would have thought the player who finished 2nd would have "won").

 

EDIT: this is fWAR, just checked and bWAR has our best position player as 1 of the 2, and the pitcher is the second guy from Fangraphs.

 

Probably Grichuk, Pillar, Borucki and Happ would be the top. I'd bet Stroman has much better peripherals than Borucki though

[AintNoThang]

Just wondering your dudes thoughts on Stroman's season? Seems like he can be a mental midget sometimes but injuries really impacted his performance. If we extrapraprolate his 1.5 fWar to the number of games he played in 2017, he'd end up with 2.6 fWar which would be in a tie for 33rd best in the league with Chacin and Odorizzi. Considering that there's 30 teams in the major league baseball, that would make him the #2 starter on 27 teams in the league.

[bones10]

heh Pillar and Grichuk ended up reaching the 2fWAR plateau, didn't think we'd have a single player make it.

[Bobthe4th]

Probably Grichuk, Pillar, Borucki and Happ would be the top. I'd bet Stroman has much better peripherals than Borucki though

 

Pretty much spot on!

 

Batter

fWAR = 2.0 Pillar and Grichuk

 

Pillar is clear in the lead with 2.5 bWAR and Grichuk is only 3rd behind Smoak.

 

Pitcher

fWAR = 2.1 Happ (embarrassing!)

 

Borucki is the bWAR leader with 1.7 (Happ doesn't even make our top 4)

[Sorrow]

I was going to say our hitting is likely something like Grichuk, Pillar, Diaz in fWAR and pitching Happ, Borucki and Stroman based on peripherals. Unsure of the ordering.

[BTS]

There's gonna be a 40-man roster crunch in early November. Currently at 43 guys with Tulo, Drury, and Cruz on the 60 day DL, and only Clippard and Estrada are hitting free agency. Going to have to DFA someone almost immediately.

[tercet]

Barnes, Berti, Biagini, Clippard, Estrada, Guerreri, Leiter Jr, Pompey, Solarte are locks to lose their 40man spots..

 

A few close calls like Travis, Gavigilio, Urena..

[Bobthe4th]

There's gonna be a 40-man roster crunch in early November. Currently at 43 guys with Tulo, Drury, and Cruz on the 60 day DL, and only Clippard and Estrada are hitting free agency. Going to have to DFA someone almost immediately.

 

Bye bye Pompey. TBF even though there will be other people leaving his time here is probably up anyway.

[Pendleton]

Barnes, Berti, Biagini, Clippard, Estrada, Guerreri, Leiter Jr, Pompey, Solarte are locks to lose their 40man spots..

 

A few close calls like Travis, Gavigilio, Urena..

 

Please stop discussing these players, none of them are likely to be a long term option at their respective positions.

[BTS]

Barnes, Berti, Biagini, Clippard, Estrada, Guerreri, Leiter Jr, Pompey, Solarte are locks to lose their 40man spots..

 

A few close calls like Travis, Gavigilio, Urena..

 

I don't think Barnes or Biagini are locks to lose their spots. Pompey either, though I expect him to be gone.

[tercet]

Please stop discussing these players, none of them are likely to be a long term option at their respective positions.

 

Wut?